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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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TV ratings don't matter anymore either because everyone is quickly switching to streaming. For streaming brand recognition is all that matters so you want the biggest names possible, which is what the SEC is doing here.

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when BBC fired the top gear crew, this is the argument they used as the ratings with the new crew crashed. Truth is, nobody cares about tu vs (insert team here) at 11am when tu is just a big name insert team here program.

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Everyone I know is dropping cable. It's pointless now.

The TV argument is how I know a lot of you are old.

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Old people have money to spend on items advertisers sell.

If it makes you better to frame it in terms of eyeballs that might watch commercials, knock yourself out.

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He can do whatever he wants, but nothing will happen unless it gets done in a special session, which won't happen for this. Plus would it even get the votes? I honestly don't know.

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SEC does not want them

Sips are toxic and the longhorn network is an anchor around their neck.

SEC has said this multiple times.

The sips bring them nothing that they want.

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Sip network is ESPN which has the SEC network so that is not a hindrance.

Sips bring them money.

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The only way that works is the LHN becomes a SEC alternate network that broadcasts only SEC contests and nothing longhorn specific. Dodd's Folly, indeed.

If the sips really brought eyeballs and money, Fox would want to keep them in the Big XII. When the conference media partner doesn't GAS if their two top brands depart, then they are a loosing proposition.

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FWIW, sips have stated that they'll give up the LHN if allowed into the SEC or turnover control for SEC2 channel but payout is shared equally. They want in bad and I believe it happens, unfortunately. This would be the lifeline to save their program. Big 12 is over.

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Not good enough as they as giving up something ESPN is willing to pull the plug on anyway.

Now, what would be a hefty sweetener to the SEC and make this move understandable is that ESPN wants this so badly, they give the conference a sizeable equity stake in the SEC Network. Like 49%?

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But of that 49%, 51+% will end up going to Texas long term

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How so? The equity stake to the conference means they don't need a share of the distribution from ESPN as the conference has a separate stream of revenue. OU and tu would have to pay their way in as well.

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Haha sips.

My point was that Texas will do what is best for Texas, and in time will make it to where they are the top dog in the top conference

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Not trying to pedantic but are there actual powers apart from a bully pulpit that the governor or legislature have here currently? A&M and the remaining B12 members may hate it but tu just says "tough s."

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Sure. Money comes from the Leg and Texas already gets the 2/3rds split from the PUF. A&M and Tech could make a push that Tech or other Texas Publics should get that 1/3rd. That's for starters.

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UH and tu-Dallas would want to get in line for that if changes were being made.

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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TV ratings don't matter anymore either because everyone is quickly switching to streaming. For streaming brand recognition is all that matters so you want the biggest names possible, which is what the SEC is doing here.

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when BBC fired the top gear crew, this is the argument they used as the ratings with the new crew crashed. Truth is, nobody cares about tu vs (insert team here) at 11am when tu is just a big name insert team here program.

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Everyone I know is dropping cable. It's pointless now.

The TV argument is how I know a lot of you are old.

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that you don't realize what a cancer tu is is how young we know you are.

And I dropped cable 5 years ago.

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I know what they were in the past, I'm close to 40 years old. My entire point is that you old guys are still operating as if the world is the same as it was in 1994 when the Big 12 formed when in fact that was the Hunter/gathered stage of college sports and now we're post the invention of agriculture.

The cancer that is Texas was all about covering up their own cheating. Well now they have legalized bagmen so what exactly can they use to throw around their weight beyond money for players? The SEC has far too many powerhouses who are fanatical about their universities.

I say if we can't eliminate extracurricular scholarships from all schools and go back to real amateur sports then bring on the challenge and eliminate the have nots from
College sports. There is no reason for half the teams in FBS to be there.

I cannot wait to see the Perryman report on the proposed move.

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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Clarification: that isn't my outlook and I'm not sure if the SEC is strong enough to prevent it. I'm saying it's the SEC's outlook. They don't have the same life experience with Texas as we do so they naturally aren't going to hold the same level of disgust, derision, and knowledge towards/about Texas as we do.

So, you could say that the SEC is potentially naive here wanting to flirt with bringing Texas into the league but it's really irrelevant. We are talking about money and prestige and one school's past bad actions are not going to weigh in the decision methodology at the same weight as money and prestige will.

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Gotcha. And I agree, as I said earlier, the SEC won't be wise enough to look past the short term $$$ to realize the destruction that comes with Texas.

Even Bama will assume they can handle Texas, but as soon as Saban is gone, their power will diminish.

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Texas will be running the SEC (into the ground) within 5 years, 10 max.

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The NIL will do that regardless of their influence or not.

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He can do whatever he wants, but nothing will happen unless it gets done in a special session, which won't happen for this. Plus would it even get the votes? I honestly don't know.

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I doubt he's tilting at windmills. This is the first tweet in what will likely be many from other TX and OK politicians flexing their muscles to get TX/OU to slow their roll or even stop this.

A&M knew there would be a ****storm from spilling the beans and if we lacked the votes it was the best way to play the hand we're dealt.

Plausible

This is whole story has got to be an attempt by A&M to derail any secret talks. Culturally, tu doesn't fit with the SEC. The SEC may love money and power, but the leadership isn't complete morons either. Texas has a history... a long one... selfish *******s that will crush your grandma if it gets them what they want. SEC isn't that way -- much more of a unified group. Sure, there could be a $ attractiveness, but do the SEC whigs want to cede that much power? Do they want the headaches? Frankly, do any of the other established teams want to put up with the crap out of Austin (plus new penalties for a 'horns down' gesture)?
Say what you want about Sharp. If I had to guess, he's lobbying other ADs in the SEC to oppose this.
Now, does anyone actually know what the terms were for A&M's admittance to the SEC? I thought (RUMOR) that one condition was that we had veto power over any other Texas school joining... was that an actual thing, or just stupid hype at the time?

t.u. joining would be really bad for the SEC... bring a snake into your house, one day it WILL bite you.

Wouldnt it be awesome if the Texas Legislature or the Oklahoma Legislature stepped in and nixed this deal ?

If A&M was behind the leak and got this nixed using these very methods, that would the ultimate screw you to Texas.

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Wouldnt it be awesome if the Texas Legislature or the Oklahoma Legislature stepped in and nixed this deal ?

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I recall rumblings back when we left and Texas/OU were flirting with the PAC that the OK lege would not allow OU to leave without OSU. Curious if there is any teeth to that.

If we don't do everything in our power to stop this it will be the biggest mistake we can possibly make as a program. All that SEC leverage will be gone literally overnight and Texas and OU will all of a sudden have the SEC to sell to recruits. It will be a full on blitz and you will see the benefits to those programs immediately. I was already losing interest in CFB, now add this development and the NIL deal and I will start spending all my Saturdays on the golf course. Nothing I can do about it anyway.

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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Clarification: that isn't my outlook and I'm not sure if the SEC is strong enough to prevent it. I'm saying it's the SEC's outlook. They don't have the same life experience with Texas as we do so they naturally aren't going to hold the same level of disgust, derision, and knowledge towards/about Texas as we do.

So, you could say that the SEC is potentially naive here wanting to flirt with bringing Texas into the league but it's really irrelevant. We are talking about money and prestige and one school's past bad actions are not going to weigh in the decision methodology at the same weight as money and prestige will.

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Even Bama will assume they can handle Texas, but as soon as Saban is gone, their power will diminish.

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Bama has no idea the power and influence that Texas can have. And it is not necessarily correlate with wins on the field.

They bring Texas in, they will be selling their power to Texas.

Listening to the ticket dildos gloat about ou and tu to the SEC already makes me hate this so much. They're already experts and think they run the conference and are already laughing their asses off at us.

As suspected, Liucci said in his Q&A that there is no conference unity agreement among schools.

He also said we would probably get "new guy'ed" in any vote to admit Texas and OU. So, yes, we would be sacrificed.

Welp, it was kind of fun while it lasted.

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As suspected, Liucci said in his Q&A that there is no conference unity agreement among schools.

He also said we would probably get "new guy'ed" in any vote to admit Texas and OU. So, yes, we would be sacrificed.

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Of course A&M would.

Texas is just too big and the SEC is just too stupid to think they can control that steer.

They will rue the day they let in Texas if it goes that way...and it wont be because of the football field.

A&M will be in the cellar of the SEC 2-3 years after tu and Blow-U join.

And we will remain there forever.

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A&M will be in the cellar of the SEC 2-3 years after tu and Blow-U join.

And we will remain there forever.

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Get a dog. We'll beat their asses and be fine.

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A&M will be in the cellar of the SEC 2-3 years after tu and Blow-U join.

And we will remain there forever.

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Imagine thinking college football or any NCAA sports will not be blown up by what NIL is doing to them.

There is no reason at all to think A&M, with its vast resources would be a lower tier team.

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A&M will be in the cellar of the SEC 2-3 years after tu and Blow-U join.

And we will remain there forever.

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Imagine thinking college football or any NCAA sports will not be blown up by what NIL is doing to them.

There is no reason at all to think A&M, with its vast resources would be a lower tier team.

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Agree. And for the next few years, sips will still be playing Big XII football not SEC football, despite the hire of Sark. We caught the SEC by surprise with Johnny and Kingsbury.

Sips will more likely fall flat on their faces. No surprise factor at all. Sark without top tier Bama talent is just USC repeat.

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I would be willing to accept OU just to spite the sips.

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Screw them both. Bring OSU and UNC.

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Some of y'all need to sack the eff up.

Money: OU and tu games are a national draw, doubly so when pitted against SEC teams. Too much ad money and it will flow to everyone's pockets. The other SEC schools are going to listen.

Recruiting: Hurts A&M's pitch, but I ain't scared of recruiting against them. It's not 2002 anymore, we're a better draw with a better brand, more money, and wealthier alums. Well compete just fine.

Future: The NCAA is dying. If super conferences are the future, and they are, the three biggest remaining prizes are ND, OU, tu. The SEC of forward looking will want to get 2/3 before the BigX or PAC, our wishes be damned.

Politics: The wild card. The BigXII island of misfit toys won't take it quietly. This may be muted somewhat if the bigger prizes of the B12 carcass (Tech, OkSt, KU for basketball) find quick homes in the PAC, ACC, or BigX, but if they don't the fallout will be massive.

Recruiting is my biggest concern obviously but our partners have to make a decision in their schools best interests. It's hard to see that not including tu and OU, whatever whining we do.

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If tu gets let in, in true Aggie fashion, our entire existence becomes focused on "just beating those homos in Austin" and we end up catering to them, just like we did for the first 115 years of our existence. If you honestly think anything - anything - will be different, you aren't all that smart.

We have been out of their shadow and out from under their thumb for 10 years now. And it's taken 10 years for us to really start seeing the results of freedom. That will all be undone in less than 3 years if they end up in our conference. Recruiting will go back to the same - tu and OU will get the lion's share of blue chips from the state, we will get our usual 15% to 20%. We'll win 1 out of every 3 games against tu, because that is our historical lot in life for whatever reason.

I suppose if this goes through, those that long for the old days of being able to talk smack at the water cooler every now and again will be jumping with joy at the expense of our entire athletic program.

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A&M will be in the cellar of the SEC 2-3 years after tu and Blow-U join.

And we will remain there forever.

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Imagine thinking college football or any NCAA sports will not be blown up by what NIL is doing to them.

There is no reason at all to think A&M, with its vast resources would be a lower tier team.

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We have 115 or whatever years of history to know that A&M will end up as a lower tier team. Call it a curse, whatever - that is the historical fact. Mostly because as long as we have been tied to the hip with tu, our entire mental existence has been wrapped around them and not Texas A&M.

It has taken us 10 years to learn as a program that we don't need them to succeed. 10 years. And we are at a point where we can think about pulling a chair up to the big boys table in football. tu joins the conference and we will be back to our old mentality within 3 years - we will resort to our historical DNA profile of just wanting to one up tu with nothing else really mattering. And that will be our downfall, just like it was for the first century and more of our program.

You can't change who you are if you don't change the situation you find yourself in.

I saw this on an OSU board.

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We have been out of their shadow and out from under their thumb for 10 years now. And it's taken 10 years for us to really start seeing the results of freedom. That will all be undone in less than 3 years if they end up in our conference. Recruiting will go back to the same - tu and OU will get the lion's share of blue chips from the state, we will get our usual 15% to 20%. We'll win 1 out of every 3 games against tu, because that is our historical lot in life for whatever reason.

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Recruiting is the biggest issue for me. That and coaching. Sips haven't been able to hire top tier coaches ever since they fired Mack and Barnes. No matter how much money they threw at them. During the Strong ere they had to send the university Prez and Acting AD to stand in a coach's driveway at night to beg him to accept the job and that was just an assistant position.

Put them in the SEC and they will get their coaching targets without having to go that far down the list anymore.

Great. What is it?

Got caught in some kind of TA review filter. Image is here:

https://orangepower.com/threads/this-is-terrible-for-the-big-12.277026/page-10#post-4253744

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Got caught in some kind of TA review filter. Image is here:

https://orangepower.com/threads/this-is-terrible-for-the-big-12.277026/page-10#post-4253744

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A&M will be in the cellar of the SEC 2-3 years after tu and Blow-U join.

And we will remain there forever.

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Imagine thinking college football or any NCAA sports will not be blown up by what NIL is doing to them.

There is no reason at all to think A&M, with its vast resources would be a lower tier team.

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We have 115 or whatever years of history to know that A&M will end up as a lower tier team. Call it a curse, whatever - that is the historical fact. Mostly because as long as we have been tied to the hip with tu, our entire mental existence has been wrapped around them and not Texas A&M.

It has taken us 10 years to learn as a program that we don't need them to succeed. 10 years. And we are at a point where we can think about pulling a chair up to the big boys table in football. tu joins the conference and we will be back to our old mentality within 3 years - we will resort to our historical DNA profile of just wanting to one up tu with nothing else really mattering. And that will be our downfall, just like it was for the first century and more of our program.

You can't change who you are if you don't change the situation you find yourself in.

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NIL changed the game, this is why OU and Texas are so desperate to get in. College sports is about to undergo the biggest change in history and none of you can see it.