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SEC does not want them

Sips are toxic and the longhorn network is an anchor around their neck.

SEC has said this multiple times.

The sips bring them nothing that they want.

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Sip network is ESPN which has the SEC network so that is not a hindrance.

Sips bring them money.

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The only way that works is the LHN becomes a SEC alternate network that broadcasts only SEC contests and nothing longhorn specific. Dodd's Folly, indeed.

If the sips really brought eyeballs and money, Fox would want to keep them in the Big XII. When the conference media partner doesn't GAS if their two top brands depart, then they are a loosing proposition.

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I think what started this whole thing was when Fox blinked at a new tv contract for the Big 12.

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Yes Doc and also tu and ou know the disadvantage they have in recruiting. They will both get a bump when the have the SEC to sell.

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Their recruiting has suffered because Austin is becoming more and more of a **** hole, and the coaching has been terrible, not because they don't play A&M once a year. If they were winning, they would get the recruits.

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My friend, trust me on this. They are losing kids right and left because kids want to play in the SEC. Its not because they dont play us... its THEIR LEAGUE isnt very good. Its the single biggest tool we have in recruiting. Being the only school in texas that is in the SEC. Trust me, i know football.

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AMEN

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Right, but I am talking about only sports. The pretty women athletes will get theirs regardless of sport, or even if they don't play sports. As you mentioned it is based on looks.

I am more referring to the standout sports star who is not attractive. I project there will come a time they are going to want someone to pony up. Time will tell.

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Women sell based on sex appeal. It sucks for the good athletes who look like they were beaten with a bat but it is what it is. Those women won't get anything or will get very small amounts.

And they will do it to the SEC as well. They may be humbled at the moment, but it's in their DNA to destroy. For those that think it cannot happen to the SEC, think again. Texas will use money to get a say in the oversight of the conference. With that comes favoritism, and well we have already seen it twice.

Agree, and they are not going to be okay with that.

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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This. The past is a sunk cost and irrelevant.

Maybe it's to get tu and OU into the new country footprint before the great divide.

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Artorias said:

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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Icecream_Ag said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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Agree, and they are not going to be okay with that.

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These are 3rd party endorsements, good luck changing that. This is why the highest paid female athletes are all tennis players or golfers. Image matters for women, far far more than men. Why? Because women don't watch unless the women are pretty.

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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TV ratings don't matter anymore either because everyone is quickly switching to streaming. For streaming brand recognition is all that matters so you want the biggest names possible, which is what the SEC is doing here.

Streaming or coax, you still need viewers. It may not be described as "ratings", but it is based on viewership

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YouBet said:

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Icecream_Ag said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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The sips and OU want to come to the SEC. Never happening. Half the schools would vote against it.

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Good time to buy a premium sub.

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aggiehawg said:

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dermdoc said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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TV ratings don't matter anymore either because everyone is quickly switching to streaming. For streaming brand recognition is all that matters so you want the biggest names possible, which is what the SEC is doing here.

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when BBC fired the top gear crew, this is the argument they used as the ratings with the new crew crashed. Truth is, nobody cares about tu vs (insert team here) at 11am when tu is just a big name insert team here program.

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aggiehawg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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TV ratings don't matter anymore either because everyone is quickly switching to streaming. For streaming brand recognition is all that matters so you want the biggest names possible, which is what the SEC is doing here.

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They don't bring in the viewers in streaming either. This deal is a bill of goods with not much substance behind it.

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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aggiehawg said:

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dermdoc said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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TV ratings don't matter anymore either because everyone is quickly switching to streaming. For streaming brand recognition is all that matters so you want the biggest names possible, which is what the SEC is doing here.

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when BBC fired the top gear crew, this is the argument they used as the ratings with the new crew crashed. Truth is, nobody cares about tu vs (insert team here) at 11am when tu is just a big name insert team here program.

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Everyone I know is dropping cable. It's pointless now.

The TV argument is how I know a lot of you are old.

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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Absolutely. They ( and to a lesser extent ou) are coming to the SEC with hat in hand. They got tired of watching recruiting days looking up at bama, georgia, Lsu, and the Ags. They got tired of seeing nfl drafts go by with NO first rounders for the whole dang LEAGUE. They got tired of seeing the SEC make so much $$$ , they got tired of trying to sell an awful season ticket package ( with ou being a neutral site).

They need the SEC to get fans in the seats, recruits, a better tv deal. The negative is that tu and ou are very attractive additions to a league. Thats why other than us and Miz, who would vote against them ? The real bad part of this is by them being in the SEC, we are hurt most.

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Artorias said:

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YouBet said:

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Icecream_Ag said:

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Artorias said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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YouBet said:

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Artorias said:

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YouBet said:

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Icecream_Ag said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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They will use money and power to infect the upper administrative levels of the conference

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Icecream_Ag said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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aggiehawg said:

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dermdoc said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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The ratings tell the same story. People who say, "Well, it was the opponents that caused the ratings to fall, not tu's fault."

If they were the team supposedly brining in the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs why did the bottom fall out on the ratings for their games? Poor time slots? Didn't hurt the SEC teams who played in the same time slots, now did it?

No, this deal is like seeing what you think is a pretty girl only to find her breasts are falsies, there's a five o'clock shadow under the heavy make-up and "her" twig and berries are still intact.

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TV ratings don't matter anymore either because everyone is quickly switching to streaming. For streaming brand recognition is all that matters so you want the biggest names possible, which is what the SEC is doing here.

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when BBC fired the top gear crew, this is the argument they used as the ratings with the new crew crashed. Truth is, nobody cares about tu vs (insert team here) at 11am when tu is just a big name insert team here program.

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Everyone I know is dropping cable. It's pointless now.

The TV argument is how I know a lot of you are old.

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that you don't realize what a cancer tu is is how young we know you are.

And I dropped cable 5 years ago.

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aggiehawg said:

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Let's put this into perspective. The last time the sips tried to crater the Big XII, ESPN stepped up with a 300 million dollar LHN deal to stop them. They were believed to be a brand back then and worth it.

But they are not worth it to Fox to lift a finger to stop them this time.

Ask yourself why. Remember it is not like ESPN is as flush with cash as they were just 11 years ago and they are more than willing to walk away from the LHN as a sunk cost. How much did they lose on the LHN all told? One hundred million? More?

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You make a great point. The sips are desperate or would never make this move. They will never admit it but this is very humbling.

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Absolutely. They ( and to a lesser extent ou) are coming to the SEC with hat in hand. They got tired of watching recruiting days looking up at bama, georgia, Lsu, and the Ags. They got tired of seeing nfl drafts go by with NO first rounders for the whole dang LEAGUE. They got tired of seeing the SEC make so much $$$ , they got tired of trying to sell an awful season ticket package ( with ou being a neutral site).

They need the SEC to get fans in the seats, recruits, a better tv deal. The negative is that tu and ou are very attractive additions to a league. Thats why other than us and Miz, who would vote against them ? The real bad part of this is by them being in the SEC, we are hurt most.

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Great post.

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Artorias said:

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YouBet said:

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Artorias said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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Clarification: that isn't my outlook and I'm not sure if the SEC is strong enough to prevent it. I'm saying it's the SEC's outlook. They don't have the same life experience with Texas as we do so they naturally aren't going to hold the same level of disgust, derision, and knowledge towards/about Texas as we do.

So, you could say that the SEC is potentially naive here wanting to flirt with bringing Texas into the league but it's really irrelevant. We are talking about money and prestige and one school's past bad actions are not going to weigh in the decision methodology at the same weight as money and prestige will.

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SEC does not want them

Sips are toxic and the longhorn network is an anchor around their neck.

SEC has said this multiple times.

The sips bring them nothing that they want.

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Sip network is ESPN which has the SEC network so that is not a hindrance.

Sips bring them money.

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The only way that works is the LHN becomes a SEC alternate network that broadcasts only SEC contests and nothing longhorn specific. Dodd's Folly, indeed.

If the sips really brought eyeballs and money, Fox would want to keep them in the Big XII. When the conference media partner doesn't GAS if their two top brands depart, then they are a loosing proposition.

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FWIW, sips have stated that they'll give up the LHN if allowed into the SEC or turnover control for SEC2 channel but payout is shared equally. They want in bad and I believe it happens, unfortunately. This would be the lifeline to save their program. Big 12 is over.

A&M Fan's Perception of SEC Decision Methodology on Texas:

Texas's Past Ethics and Bad Behavior: 50%
Money: 25%
Prestige: 25%


SEC's More Likely Decision Methodology on Texas:

Money: 48%
Prestige: 48%
Texas's Past Ethics and Bad Behavior: 4%

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

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I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

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Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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Clarification: that isn't my outlook and I'm not sure if the SEC is strong enough to prevent it. I'm saying it's the SEC's outlook. They don't have the same life experience with Texas as we do so they naturally aren't going to hold the same level of disgust, derision, and knowledge towards/about Texas as we do.

So, you could say that the SEC is potentially naive here wanting to flirt with bringing Texas into the league but it's really irrelevant. We are talking about money and prestige and one school's past bad actions are not going to weigh in the decision methodology at the same weight as money and prestige will.

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Gotcha. And I agree, as I said earlier, the SEC won't be wise enough to look past the short term $$$ to realize the destruction that comes with Texas.

Even Bama will assume they can handle Texas, but as soon as Saban is gone, their power will diminish.

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Streaming or coax, you still need viewers. It may not be described as "ratings", but it is based on viewership

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Exactly.

Whatever happened to "playing Texas is everybody's Superbowl" and the fans from their opponents would tune in? That doesn't happen anymore either.

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

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You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

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So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

---

I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

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I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

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True and irrelevant now.

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How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

---

Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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Clarification: that isn't my outlook and I'm not sure if the SEC is strong enough to prevent it. I'm saying it's the SEC's outlook. They don't have the same life experience with Texas as we do so they naturally aren't going to hold the same level of disgust, derision, and knowledge towards/about Texas as we do.

So, you could say that the SEC is potentially naive here wanting to flirt with bringing Texas into the league but it's really irrelevant. We are talking about money and prestige and one school's past bad actions are not going to weigh in the decision methodology at the same weight as money and prestige will.

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Gotcha. And I agree, as I said earlier, the SEC won't be wise enough to look past the short term $$$ to realize the destruction that comes with Texas.

Even Bama will assume they can handle Texas, but as soon as Saban is gone, their power will diminish.

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Could very well happen. We will know when/if SEC HQ is moved further west.

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Artorias said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Artorias said:

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Ags77 said:

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From everything i have heard this is close to a done deal. Maybe announced in weeks. The Ags and Miz appear to be the only 2 no votes. It takes 11 yes votes and if you think about it, we are the ONLY school that loses by adding tu.

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False. Ultimately, every school in the SEC will lose, just like the SWC and B12. SEC schools just aren't wise enough to see it.

---

You're still thinking like the old ways matter. They don't, at all. I don't think many of you realize how groundbreaking and gamechanging the NIL is on college sports. It's THE biggest change in history by a giant margin, even moreso than the creation of the NCAA itself.

Nothing that happened in the past matters because they have legalized bagmen. Every school's boosters can now spend money openly and pay players.

This is like comparing literature before and after the printing press. It's a different world now and everything you know will change.

Many of us tried to tell you things like this were coming but no one wanted to listen.

---

So you are arguing that Texas joining the SEC will have no negative affect on the SEC long term?

---

I'm saying that anything that happened in the past no longer matters. Trying to make any predictions on positive or negative effects is completely folly. The only thing we do know for certain is that massive change is coming.

Texas can cheat but with legalized bagmen, why would they? The SEC with this decision will de facto become the kingmaker, it should be obvious why it is happening. They can basically give a finger to the NCAA and then do what they want.

---

I've seen Texas destroy 2 conferences, and it had nothing to do with cheating. They are a cancer and would F over their own mothers if it got them 1% more power at the table

---

True and irrelevant now.

---

How exactly is it irrelevant?

Texas has more money. Money = power. Power = they make the rules.

NIL doesn't change that basic truth. Same song, different verse,

---

Because you are approaching this with maroon glasses. The vast majority of the schools in the SEC have no history with them and even if aware of their past shenanigans will simply say Texas is just another dog on the porch with a bunch of big dogs. The conferenced as a whole will keep them in check.

I'm not saying Texas can't/won't try to usurp. The point is that the short-term money and permanent stake in the ground that establishes the SEC as the premier football product in America is going to win out over some perceived ethical behavior by Texas.

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I think that is a naive outlook. Texas will do what Texas does. You think the SEC will be too strong to allow it. I have my doubts.

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Clarification: that isn't my outlook and I'm not sure if the SEC is strong enough to prevent it. I'm saying it's the SEC's outlook. They don't have the same life experience with Texas as we do so they naturally aren't going to hold the same level of disgust, derision, and knowledge towards/about Texas as we do.

So, you could say that the SEC is potentially naive here wanting to flirt with bringing Texas into the league but it's really irrelevant. We are talking about money and prestige and one school's past bad actions are not going to weigh in the decision methodology at the same weight as money and prestige will.

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Gotcha. And I agree, as I said earlier, the SEC won't be wise enough to look past the short term $$$ to realize the destruction that comes with Texas.

Even Bama will assume they can handle Texas, but as soon as Saban is gone, their power will diminish.

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Texas will be running the SEC (into the ground) within 5 years, 10 max.

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aggiehawg said:

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SEC does not want them

Sips are toxic and the longhorn network is an anchor around their neck.

SEC has said this multiple times.

The sips bring them nothing that they want.

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Sip network is ESPN which has the SEC network so that is not a hindrance.

Sips bring them money.

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The only way that works is the LHN becomes a SEC alternate network that broadcasts only SEC contests and nothing longhorn specific. Dodd's Folly, indeed.

If the sips really brought eyeballs and money, Fox would want to keep them in the Big XII. When the conference media partner doesn't GAS if their two top brands depart, then they are a loosing proposition.

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FWIW, sips have stated that they'll give up the LHN if allowed into the SEC or turnover control for SEC2 channel but payout is shared equally. They want in bad and I believe it happens, unfortunately. This would be the lifeline to save their program. Big 12 is over.

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If this happens then any money that espn is putting toward the bdf gets rolled into SEC money. That would include as you said the money for cowtv. I don't know the numbers but if it expands the pie for all of the other schools, it very well may happen. I would rather poach VT and UNC and grow that way.

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Not trying to pedantic but are there actual powers apart from a bully pulpit that the governor or legislature have here currently? A&M and the remaining B12 members may hate it but tu just says "tough s."

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Sure. Money comes from the Leg and Texas already gets the 2/3rds split from the PUF. A&M and Tech could make a push that Tech or other Texas Publics should get that 1/3rd. That's for starters.

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aggiehawg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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SEC does not want them

Sips are toxic and the longhorn network is an anchor around their neck.

SEC has said this multiple times.

The sips bring them nothing that they want.

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Sip network is ESPN which has the SEC network so that is not a hindrance.

Sips bring them money.

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The only way that works is the LHN becomes a SEC alternate network that broadcasts only SEC contests and nothing longhorn specific. Dodd's Folly, indeed.

If the sips really brought eyeballs and money, Fox would want to keep them in the Big XII. When the conference media partner doesn't GAS if their two top brands depart, then they are a loosing proposition.

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FWIW, sips have stated that they'll give up the LHN if allowed into the SEC or turnover control for SEC2 channel but payout is shared equally. They want in bad and I believe it happens, unfortunately. This would be the lifeline to save their program. Big 12 is over.

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Not good enough as they as giving up something ESPN is willing to pull the plug on anyway.

Now, what would be a hefty sweetener to the SEC and make this move understandable is that ESPN wants this so badly, they give the conference a sizeable equity stake in the SEC Network. Like 49%?

aggiehawg said:

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Prognightmare said:

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aggiehawg said:

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dermdoc said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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SEC does not want them

Sips are toxic and the longhorn network is an anchor around their neck.

SEC has said this multiple times.

The sips bring them nothing that they want.

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Sip network is ESPN which has the SEC network so that is not a hindrance.

Sips bring them money.

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The only way that works is the LHN becomes a SEC alternate network that broadcasts only SEC contests and nothing longhorn specific. Dodd's Folly, indeed.

If the sips really brought eyeballs and money, Fox would want to keep them in the Big XII. When the conference media partner doesn't GAS if their two top brands depart, then they are a loosing proposition.

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FWIW, sips have stated that they'll give up the LHN if allowed into the SEC or turnover control for SEC2 channel but payout is shared equally. They want in bad and I believe it happens, unfortunately. This would be the lifeline to save their program. Big 12 is over.

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Not good enough as they as giving up something ESPN is willing to pull the plug on anyway.

Now, what would be a hefty sweetener to the SEC and make this move understandable is that ESPN wants this so badly, they give the conference a sizeable equity stake in the SEC Network. Like 49%?

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But of that 49%, 51+% will end up going to Texas long term