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To your third point, all else equal having darker pigment is a benefit in many situations today. The problem is that you will try to argue from situations where all else is not equal and use it as proof to the contrary.
So, it's a wash is your final answer? I'm gonna go with all else equal not yet a wash.

They are not protesting for equal protections under the law. They are protesting the actual institutions of the United States and their philosophical basis.
And this is where your side goes off the rails taking the blooper reel from the worst wokest offenders to impugn motive to an entire social movement. Protesting high profile police killings of black people is in fact a protest of equal protection under the law.

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Completely wrong and and a very ignorant view to hold. Go and actually learn what CRT is and what BLM stands for. The only reason that these police interactions are "high profile" in the first place is because the narrative has been established that the police are systemically racist. There are no legitimate statistics to support that. Unarmed black men killed by the police, rightfully or wrongfully, is under 20 per year in a country with hundreds of millions of police interactions.

If you're going to contend that all else is not equal, you'd better be able to substantiate it with facts. Because what I see is a reduction in admission standards to favor certain minorities, diversity quotas in the workplace that crowd out well-qualified candidates, and a myriad of other public policies that try to favor one race over another. And that race isn't light in complexion.

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BLM the slogan is very different from BLM the organization and while conflating the two is good politics it's bad a bad faith argument. CRT is derivative BLM organization wokeness but irrelevant to the protests.

Do you really want to argue that blacks people in America today are totally as well off as whites? That if you could choose to die right now and be randomly reincarnated into the body of a new black or white baby you'd pick the black or just say meh, it's totally irrelevant!

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Malibu2 said:

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To your third point, all else equal having darker pigment is a benefit in many situations today. The problem is that you will try to argue from situations where all else is not equal and use it as proof to the contrary.
So, it's a wash is your final answer? I'm gonna go with all else equal not yet a wash.

They are not protesting for equal protections under the law. They are protesting the actual institutions of the United States and their philosophical basis.
And this is where your side goes off the rails taking the blooper reel from the worst wokest offenders to impugn motive to an entire social movement. Protesting high profile police killings of black people is in fact a protest of equal protection under the law.

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Completely wrong and and a very ignorant view to hold. Go and actually learn what CRT is and what BLM stands for. The only reason that these police interactions are "high profile" in the first place is because the narrative has been established that the police are systemically racist. There are no legitimate statistics to support that. Unarmed black men killed by the police, rightfully or wrongfully, is under 20 per year in a country with hundreds of millions of police interactions.

If you're going to contend that all else is not equal, you'd better be able to substantiate it with facts. Because what I see is a reduction in admission standards to favor certain minorities, diversity quotas in the workplace that crowd out well-qualified candidates, and a myriad of other public policies that try to favor one race over another. And that race isn't light in complexion.

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BLM the slogan is very different from BLM the organization and while conflating the two is good politics it's bad a bad faith argument. CRT is derivative BLM organization wokeness but irrelevant to the protests.

Do you really want to argue that blacks people in America today are totally as well off as whites? That if you could choose to die right now and be randomly reincarnated into the body of a new black or white baby you'd pick the black or just say meh, it's totally irrelevant!

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The BLM slogan is obviously true. Nobody disputes that. The BLM organization, which benefits heavily from the BLM slogan, is the driving force behind these protests. CRT is a major part of all of this. I'm having a hard time believing you actually believe what you just wrote. It would require you ti have been living under a HUGE rock for the last few years.

Now you're doing what the Democrats do by trying to conflate equity and equality. America values equality under the law. Communists value equity under the law. In your stupid thought experiment, I would be indifferent if all else were equal. However, I can take a rational look at the current cultures that exist within and outside "black America" and determine that my odds of success are better outside of it. That's a cultural determination, not a racial one. If I really want to succeed, I would reincarnate as an Asian, Indian immigrant, or Kenyan immigrant, as they all outperform whites in America. Your contention of racial essentialism is so incredible shallow that it's hard to take it seriously.

My action of watching them play soccer makes absolutely no impact.

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My action of watching them play soccer makes absolutely no impact.

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On the individual level, true. On the macro level, that mentality absolutely makes a difference. Hence, you are a part of the problem and supporting an anti-American cause.

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That if you could choose to die right now and be randomly reincarnated into the body of a new black or white baby you'd pick the black or just say meh, it's totally irrelevant!

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Wouldn't bug me at all, except I'd be called names by my own "people" for being a conservative. And I'd want to grow up in a two-parent, stable household. But all that's just a "social construct," right?

The driving force behind the protests, kneeling, and rioting is black people being killed by police, period, end of story. BLM is a handy slogan that captured the imagination of the protesters. Making Megan Rapinoes knee into an endorsement of BLM Organization, Marxism, and CRT to therefore be anti-American is asinine.

That's such a bad take, it's actually astonishing. However, I'll lean into it. If what you say is true, how do you feel about all the protests being based on a lie? There's no factual basis to support the idea that police systemically murder black people. All of the high profile cases are just anecdotes that reflect imperfections in a system that will always have flaws.

What is the goal of the protests?

ETA Rapinoe and the lot of them have openly endorsed BLM and the premise that America's institutions are systemically racist. You pretending like that didn't happen doesn't change reality.

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The driving force behind the protests, kneeling, and rioting is black people being killed by police, period, end of story. BLM is a handy slogan that captured the imagination of the protesters. Making Megan Rapinoes knee into an endorsement of BLM, Marxism, and CRT to therefore be anti-American is asinine.

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Hey I can do the same thing. Watch this:

The driving force behind the protests, kneeling, and rioting is a bunch of malcontents not understanding the small number of George Floyd-like incidents relative to total number of police encounters and a cultural problem in the American black community, period, end of story.

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Yes and no. I fully agree with you that the statistics bear out that police violence, while rare, doesn't seem to be racially biased. That in a country of 340MM people some cop somewhere will do something dumb is axiomatic. But, blacks people are, as a %age of police deaths relative to the population much higher. We also aren't that far away from Rodney King, and still have real living people that marched in Selma. And yes, there are cultural issues that bear our personal responsibility that must occur.

In a country with our history, it's inevitable that an issue like police killing, which emotionally fraught regardless, will exist in the lens of racist hangover America earned in its history when it's a black person that shouldn't be dead.

Tl;dr it's complicated and making out protesters to be anti-American malcontents is no more useful than saying 2021 America is a place of total minority oppression.

It's not complicated unless you think feels are more important than facts.

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It's not complicated unless you think feels are more important than facts.

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This is a fairly dismissive take on a justifiable visceral reaction to death at police hands that is both avoidable and far more common in the black community than the population at large, set in the historical context of an actually racist America that still living people got to experience.

To the extent that certain tactics are shut down entirely like no knock raids, knees on necks, etc, great. To the extent that people seriously entertain the eliminating the police, yeesh.

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It's not complicated unless you think feels are more important than facts.

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This is a fairly dismissive take on a justifiable visceral reaction to death at police hands that is both avoidable and far more common in the black community than the population at large, set in the historical context of an actually racist America that still living people got to experience.

To the extent that certain tactics are shut down entirely like no knock raids, knees on necks, etc, great. To the extent that people seriously entertain the eliminating the police, yeesh.

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It is an outright lie to say that these events disproportionately impact the black community, especially when controlling for the criminal activity, especially violent, disproportionately perpetrated by the black community. If you choose to ignore that factor, your opinion is invalid.

You can have a visceral reaction and also understand that there is legal recourse that prevents police from "getting away with murder." If you have specific reforms that you can prove will improve policing, fine. Everyone is all for those. But the narrative that police are systemically racist and hunting down blacks at a disproportionate clip is dishonest at best.

Until you're willing to side with the people that stand for equal justice under the law instead of the BLM lynch mob that rallies around every event and preaches racial essentialism, your opinion should not be considered.

I'll go ahead and chalk everything you've said up to ignorance because I don't want to believe that someone could take a look at the actual facts and come to the nonsensical conclusions that you're espousing.

Oh FFS stop being a sanctimonious blowhard and have an honest discussion. We can start with your second paragraph being one we have in agreement. The other 3 are your strawmen bad faith arguments not worth responding to, just like taking a knee = commie American hating traitor.

No, youre inventing positions I don't hold. Not worth continuing the conversation if we can't have a good faith exchange of ideas.

Yes, it's bad faith when those aren't my arguments. Have a nice day.

Except they are your argument. You've articulated them on this very thread.

Living your life all or nothing is easier but it's also lazy.

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Except they are your argument. You've articulated them on this very thread.

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When I'm telling you you've misunderstood my arguments and your characterization is a strawman, bad faith, you could have asked for clarification or sought to understand. You went with gaslighting. So youve got that going for you.

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Except they are your argument. You've articulated them on this very thread.

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When I'm telling you you've misunderstood my arguments and your characterization is a strawman, bad faith, you could have asked for clarification or sought to understand. You went with gaslighting. So youve got that going for you.

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You're welcome to correct anything that I've said at any point.

Good for the Canadians. Is it too much to ask for the men's basketball to lose too.

Lots of virtue signaling over a socialist country beating the USWNT.

Awesome news to wake up to this am! Thank you Canada. Sorry the Swedes won't get to thump them a third time, but whatever. Losers lose.

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Lots of virtue signaling over a socialist country beating the USWNT.

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It looks like someone is upset that the bunch of U.S.-hating, racist, POSs lost. We don't care who it is too. We're just happy there's no gold. I do feel bad for any woman on the team pressured to toe the woke party line.

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By the standards of this board, if you celebrate Canada winning you celebrate Canada's socialism. Enjoy.

I'm still flying high on our USMNT's C-team beating Mexico last night.

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Begging the question that their protest is in fact unpatriotic.

1. Everything the police do is A-ok?
2. Racism in America ended in 1963 when MLK said "I have a dream" and codified in 1964 with the CRA?
3. All else equal skin color in America is a matter of pigmentation in 2021?

I don't have to be on board with Rapinoes policy prescriptions to answer no to all three questions. I think she's wrong, but I don't think she's coming from a terrible and anti-American place. In fact, I'd go as far as to say you defining her speech as anti-American is far more anti-American than her protest.

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Number 2 and 3 are alive and well in America! Being white ain't right! You nailed it, but not the way you wanted. It's all race, all the time for you and your Marxists.

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Lots of virtue signaling over a socialist country beating the USWNT.

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"..beating the socialist USWNT"

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Lots of virtue signaling over a socialist country beating the USWNT.

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It looks like someone is upset that the bunch of U.S.-hating, racist, POSs lost. We don't care who it is too. We're just happy there's no gold. I do feel bad for any woman on the team pressured to toe the woke party line.

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By the standards of this board, if you celebrate Canada winning you celebrate Canada's socialism. Enjoy.

I'm still flying high on our USMNT's C-team beating Mexico last night.

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Then you misunderstand the standards of this board. If the Canadian players themselves were kneeling for socialism then you'd have a point.