What if she had an actual emergency?

RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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A few questions:

1) The video was edited. Do we know how long the officer was pursuing her?
2) Do we know how many exits she didn't take?
3) Is a pit maneuver standard procedure in this type of case? How should the officer handled this?

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I've seen the video and attempted murder was not the correct action to take.

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RockTX - I've been alive long enough to know there are two sides to every story. I'm not condoning and I'm not condemning. The officer may be everything you say - all I know is the video is edited.

I'd like to see the entire video before passing judgement. I think everyone deserves that.

sleepybeagle said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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A few questions:

1) The video was edited. Do we know how long the officer was pursuing her?
2) Do we know how many exits she didn't take?
3) Is a pit maneuver standard procedure in this type of case? How should the officer handled this?

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I've seen the video and attempted murder was not the correct action to take.

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RockTX - I've been alive long enough to know there are two sides to every story. I'm not condoning and I'm not condemning. The officer may be everything you say - all I know is the video is edited.

I'd like to see the entire video before passing judgement. I think everyone deserves that.

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Here's a news story that shows video of it.

The cop is a POS and deserves prison

As someone previously posted, a better result would have been for her to pull over on the small shoulder and for someone to turn the cop into a hood ornament. She was protecting his dumbass.

When asked why she didn't pull over, she said she didn't think it was safe. The POS then has the balls to say, "Well this is where you ended up."

Absolute scum.

No reason for that what so ever. In no way could that be construed as fleeing. Cops need to be fired and required to pay damages if not go to prison for assault with a deadly weapon.

He's always wanted to use that maneuver and he found a chance to use it. Again, for **** sakes.

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Other lawmakers on the committee say police shouldn't be questioned.

"End of the day when somebody is fleeing I will never question the method police officer uses to stop them," said Sen. Bart Hester (R-Cave Springs). "I don't care if it's 60 miles an hour, I don't care if its 100 miles an hour, I want them stopped as soon as possible."

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That's an interesting position to take.

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Bart is obviously a law and order Republican politician.
He backs the blue.

RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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A few questions:

1) The video was edited. Do we know how long the officer was pursuing her?
2) Do we know how many exits she didn't take?
3) Is a pit maneuver standard procedure in this type of case? How should the officer handled this?

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I've seen the video and attempted murder was not the correct action to take.

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RockTX - I've been alive long enough to know there are two sides to every story. I'm not condoning and I'm not condemning. The officer may be everything you say - all I know is the video is edited.

I'd like to see the entire video before passing judgement. I think everyone deserves that.

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Here's a news story that shows video of it.

The cop is a POS and deserves prison

As someone previously posted, a better result would have been for her to pull over on the small shoulder and for someone to turn the cop into a hood ornament. She was protecting his dumbass.

When asked why she didn't pull over, she said she didn't think it was safe. The POS then has the balls to say, "Well this is where you ended up."

Absolute scum.

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The news media said the pit was done less than 2 minutes after he flashed his lights. Agree - that's ridiculous and the police officer should be held accountable.

sleepybeagle said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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A few questions:

1) The video was edited. Do we know how long the officer was pursuing her?
2) Do we know how many exits she didn't take?
3) Is a pit maneuver standard procedure in this type of case? How should the officer handled this?

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I've seen the video and attempted murder was not the correct action to take.

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RockTX - I've been alive long enough to know there are two sides to every story. I'm not condoning and I'm not condemning. The officer may be everything you say - all I know is the video is edited.

I'd like to see the entire video before passing judgement. I think everyone deserves that.

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Here's a news story that shows video of it.

The cop is a POS and deserves prison

As someone previously posted, a better result would have been for her to pull over on the small shoulder and for someone to turn the cop into a hood ornament. She was protecting his dumbass.

When asked why she didn't pull over, she said she didn't think it was safe. The POS then has the balls to say, "Well this is where you ended up."

Absolute scum.

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The news media said the pit was done less than 2 minutes after he flashed his lights. Agree - that's ridiculous and the police officer should be held accountable.

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I was in utter shock with the way he responded to her knowing he just put a pregnant woman into the wall. If that was my wife, it would take everything in me to not hunt the ****er down and dismember his body after he almost killed my wife and unborn child.

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Remind me not to speed through Arkansas

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Like there's a fast lane in Arkansas.

It's blindingly obvious what the motorist was doing - moving to the right lane, slowing, and putting on flashers in a stretch of roadway with not much of a shoulder. This was not evading. I cannot fathom how the officer could not grasp that.

And it is 100% in compliance with what the driver's license handbook says to do!

RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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sleepybeagle said:

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A few questions:

1) The video was edited. Do we know how long the officer was pursuing her?
2) Do we know how many exits she didn't take?
3) Is a pit maneuver standard procedure in this type of case? How should the officer handled this?

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I've seen the video and attempted murder was not the correct action to take.

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RockTX - I've been alive long enough to know there are two sides to every story. I'm not condoning and I'm not condemning. The officer may be everything you say - all I know is the video is edited.

I'd like to see the entire video before passing judgement. I think everyone deserves that.

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Here's a news story that shows video of it.

The cop is a POS and deserves prison

As someone previously posted, a better result would have been for her to pull over on the small shoulder and for someone to turn the cop into a hood ornament. She was protecting his dumbass.

When asked why she didn't pull over, she said she didn't think it was safe. The POS then has the balls to say, "Well this is where you ended up."

Absolute scum.

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The news media said the pit was done less than 2 minutes after he flashed his lights. Agree - that's ridiculous and the police officer should be held accountable.

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I was in utter shock with the way he responded to her knowing he just put a pregnant woman into the wall. If that was my wife, it would take everything in me to not hunt the ****er down and dismember his body after he almost killed my wife and unborn child.

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Had they been killed that isn't an unlikely outcome.

He wanted to try out GTA in real life. What a piece of garbage.

LEO was way, way, way out of line in this one. No reason for him to do what he did and he ended up putting her life in imminent danger for absolutely zero reason.

Does anyone know if he got fired? Doesn't look like he was charged with anything.

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Keegan99 said:

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That's more of an attempt at murder than what Chauvin did.

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What Chauvin did wasn't attempted or actual murder.

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I'm pretty sure that was the point...
This guy initiated a car crash on an interstate whereas Chauvin maintained a transitory position when he should have applied a hobble.

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Other lawmakers on the committee say police shouldn't be questioned.

"End of the day when somebody is fleeing I will never question the method police officer uses to stop them," said Sen. Bart Hester (R-Cave Springs). "I don't care if it's 60 miles an hour, I don't care if its 100 miles an hour, I want them stopped as soon as possible."

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That's an interesting position to take.

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Bart is obviously a law and order Republican politician.
He backs the blue.

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I have that exact same tie.

Thank you for letting us know

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TxTarpon said:

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Other lawmakers on the committee say police shouldn't be questioned.

"End of the day when somebody is fleeing I will never question the method police officer uses to stop them," said Sen. Bart Hester (R-Cave Springs). "I don't care if it's 60 miles an hour, I don't care if its 100 miles an hour, I want them stopped as soon as possible."

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That's an interesting position to take.

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Bart is obviously a law and order Republican politician.
He backs the blue.

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I have that exact same tie.

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Really makes you think...

I'll just add to the chorus of generally pro-police posters who think this cop is a piece of crap who deserves jail time.

At the very least should lose his badge and pay full damages.

Jail time

Not saying that cop was right or wrong, but is there any unedited video that doesn't cut a portion of the video out?

At the 55 second mark, the video jumps from her with her right turn signal on to a completely different area with her flashers on. It looks like it jumped from a semi urban area to a completely rural area. If that was 10 minutes and miles later or more, there would be a lot that wasn't shown and could be completely justified. If it was half a mile down the highway, that cop should be fired/charged.

He needs a good azz kickin'. And jail time after that. And more azz kickins in jail.

nvm. dont want the bans

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I'll just add to the chorus of generally pro-police posters who think this cop is a piece of crap who deserves jail time.

At the very least should lose his badge and pay full damages.

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Agreed.

Per the article, the whole scenario is a very bad look for LE. Not only was Bart Hester's comment idiotic and ill-advised, but the statement from the State Trooper Colonel is also egregious and offensive:

Instead of stopping, the drivers try to flee. In more populated areas of the state, the incidents of fleeing from troopers have risen by more than 80 percent. The fleeing drivers pull away at a high rate of speed, wildly driving, dangerously passing other vehicles, showing no regard for the safety of other motorists, creating an imminent threat to the public.

This driver was obviously not trying to flee and was creating ZERO threat to the public. Any idiot can see that. It just so happens the idiot pursuing her apparently wanted to try the maneuver with little to no regard to the safety of the driver of the car.

There's a fundamental state law none of us should ever forget. All drivers are required under Arkansas law to safely pull-off the roadway and stop when a police officer activates the patrol vehicle emergency lights and siren. The language of the law is crystal clear. Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle displaying the signal to stop, the driver must pull-over and stop. *(see Arkansas statutes ACA 27-51-901 & 27-49-107)

Should a driver make the decision to ignore the law and flee from police, state troopers are trained to consider their options. Based on the totality of circumstances a state trooper could deploy spike strips to deflate the tires of the vehicle being pursued, execute a boxing technique to contain the pursuit slowing the driver to a stop, execute a PIT maneuver or terminate the pursuit.

He's cherry picking words in the law here. The applicable word, IMO, is SAFELY. As stated in the article:

"I feel like I had heard that's what you do, you slow down, you put your flashers on and you drive to a safe place," Harper explained.

Turns out that's textbook what to do according to State Police's "Driver License Study Guide."Under
"What to do When You Are Stopped," number one says to use, "emergency flashers to indicate to the officer that you are seeking a safe place to stop."

The Arkansas State Police should just man up and say they screwed up. Discipline the patrolman, settle with the complainant, and stop trying to apply the blue line when the officer was clearly in the wrong. Again, it's a really bad look.

48 hours, she may not have had her mask on.

As someone mentioned, total time was less than 2 minutes between lights being turned on and the maneuver. She was also clearly no threat even if it had been 10 minutes.

The linked article I read said it was two minutes from the time he lit her up til he "PIT"ed her into the median. Sgt. Dumbazz needs to be in big trouble...but he wont.

Note the language cited above is "pull off the roadway". With the wall and narrow shoulder, there was actually no way to do that without proceeding to an eventual exit. If she pulled over in the video, she would still be in the roadway

Let me know if these links do not work.

Southbound on US167

If you want to follow along on Google Street view. Look for the "Goal Post building and have it positioned to your right.

Initiation of traffic stop.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9360085,-92.0783077,3a,75y,207.82h,86.63t

Video switches to hazard lights on at this point.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9063131,-92.085124,18z

Pit maneuver at this location.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9041858,-92.086711,3a,75y,207.85h,79.6t

She traveled approx 2.2 miles.
There are no exits or wide shoulder sections to pull over.
Her first chance to exit is approx. 1 mile further from what I can tell.

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The Arkansas State Police should just man up and say they screwed up. Discipline the patrolman, settle with the complainant, and stop trying to apply the blue line when the officer was clearly in the wrong. Again, it's a really bad look.

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Perhaps my biggest gripe with the police is that they will never admit they were flat out wrong. Almost every single time the police ****s up, it's followed by a long-winded word salad by authorities that, at most, says things could have been handled differently.

Well, there is a massive chasm between doing things differently and being wrong. They never admit wrongdoing and the thin blue line always comes to the rescue.

It's nauseating and does nothing to help bridge the community and law enforcement.

suture_scissors said:

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He'll get paid leave, be back on the force in a few weeks.

Total impunity.

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Also known as paid vacation.

RockTXAggie said:

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jrdaustin said:

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The Arkansas State Police should just man up and say they screwed up. Discipline the patrolman, settle with the complainant, and stop trying to apply the blue line when the officer was clearly in the wrong. Again, it's a really bad look.

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Perhaps my biggest gripe with the police is that they will never admit they were flat out wrong. Almost every single time the police ****s up, it's followed by a long-winded word salad by authorities that, at most, says things could have been handled differently.

Well, there is a massive chasm between doing things differently and being wrong. They never admit wrongdoing and the thin blue line always comes to the rescue.

It's nauseating and does nothing to help bridge the community and law enforcement.

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Only thing the driver could've done better would have been to call 911 so dispatch could get in touch with the officer and open up a line of communication but I don't expect a [likely] stressed driver to think of that in the moment; it'd be a nice, "above and beyond" kind of thing.

Officer should get punished, shouldn't be able to serve as an officer for awhile, if not see jail time but none of that'll happen.

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I'm not sure this is accurate... not saying it isn't, but I've seen just the opposite on a grand jury here.

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Sometimes it can happen.
Sometimes you can prevail.

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In a 1980 Houston case, the Texas Supreme Court sided with a couple whose home was badly damaged as police sought to apprehend three suspects who barricaded themselves inside.

In that case, the Texas court turned up its nose at the principle the 10th Circuit stuck to so closely in its ruling: that unless a government's action is clearly labeled "eminent domain," citizens aren't entitled to compensation if the police destroy their property as a matter of business.Link And

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[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/][/url]
Did that Houston couple's estate have their house fixed after the cops lied to shoot it up and murder them?

I have no respect for a cop doing that. Prison for you.