Did the J&J vaccine and only had a bad headache the day of initially. Have had about 3 days of some or the worst headaches I've had in my life in the 3 weeks since. Could be related. Might not be.

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Don't regret it but did feel bad for a half day. Was never worried about dying from covid but was worried about potential long term effects.

My wife got the J&J and has had no issues.. However she did not want to get it and caved in to the vaccine shaming going on at her office.

I am not getting it. So far my company is not requiring it or trying to coerce people into taking it.

My nephew who has a lot of serious allergies requiring an EpiPen at the ready was told by his doctor DO NOT GET the vaccine. So he will not be getting it.

Won't be giving it to my daughter either... I never get the flu shot and I won't be starting with this. I really hope Abbott follows DeSantis lead and bans gestapo vaccine passports.

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Got both of mine Feb-March; no sweat, EAZY-PEEZY stuff. Don't understand why everybody is bithcing about it

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Same here. Mask don't work. Mask mandates are heavy handed trash. COVID is was basically harmless for most of us. Most of the people that died of COVID would have died anyway. We put millions of Americans out of work over unfounded fear.

However, vaccines are harmless. They are miracles of innovation. Everyone should be cheering the success of these vaccines. And not just because of COVID but because of what the vaccine technology may do in the future.

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Sorry but this is sheer ignorance even if the rest of your statement is true. Vaccines are like most powerful drugs, they have side effects that vary for different people. There is a reason why vaccines (even tried and true vaccines) have special liability protections and there are funds already set aside for people that have severe side effects or die from them. Now you can say it's worth the risk and that's fine. You can certainly say that for some people it is something they absolutely should have and that's fine. To say they are "harmless" though is just ignorant.

A good comparison to me is antibiotics, though they are less dangerous as a whole. Antibiotics are amazing miracle drugs but you shouldn't start a regimen of them every time you have a sniffle. You should use them when you need them. Also, even though they have been tested and retested and refined over the decades there are still risks to them and some people will have a reaction, sometimes very severe, to taking different antibiotics.

none at all. had a young, relatively healthy coworker in his late 20s spend a week in the hospital with pneumonia after getting covid, even if such cases are rare and he was fine when he got out that was enough for me.

never seen a compelling explanation for the mechanisms by which the vaccine could result in unforeseen side effects that don't present themselves for several years. certainly none from someone with extensive medical experience. always seemed like anti-vax fear mongering. to each their own.

I followed Trump's example and got the shots all of my family including my 13 year old grandkids and my 95 year old FIL also got the vaccine. No one had any bad reactions.

No issues. It actually has been a little easier to molt my lizard skin after the 2nd dose, so I'm actually quite pleased with the results.

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I think the anti-vaccine thing is overblown personally, some people on an anti-vax soapbox are probably regularly eating or drinking something or have some lifestyle habits that are way more risky than getting a COVID shot.

That said, if somebody balks, then whatever. It is a personal choice.

The only thing that I have found a bit disturbing on the anti-vax side is the cess pool side of the internet with all the conspiracy theories like the vaccine is rewriting your DNA, Bill Gates is inserting a chip in your arm, it will turn your arm magnetic, it is killing <insert some huge number> people, etc.

But that is the unfortunate side of the internet. It's Conspiracy Theoryland. People for who knows what agendas or reasons put all sorts of stuff out there.

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There is truth to this for sure but the reason it has gained so much traction is the deliberate misinformation being spread about the vaccines by the "experts" and by the media.

In the last week alone here are 3 interactions I had with smart and accomplished people that have gotten the vaccines:

First one came by my house and not only was afraid to come inside he wore a mask OUTSIDE for the few minutes I met with him. He has been vaccinated for 2 months.

Second one was with a business owner that had Covid but got vaccinated anyway. He was convinced that somehow the vaccination was BETTER than natural immunity and that now he was "Super vaccinated".

Third was with a co-worker that was convinced that if you have had Covid you can get it again but if you get the vaccine you are protected for life.

Misinformation is how conspiracy theories spread and gain steam because people don't know who to trust and most don't take the time to do their own research, especially from different sources and multiple perspectives.

Then again...this "vaccine" is not a FDA-approved vaccine. Why has this application not received full approval?

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The vaccines dramatically reduce your risk of contracting COVID at all, and if you do still get it they reduce your chances of developing severe disease or dying to near zero.

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This is incorrect, there is quite a bit of data at this point indicating the vaccines reduce asymptomatic spread by 80-95%.

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They certainly can contract it.

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At dramatically reduced rates, yes. It's statistically uncommon for someone with a completed course of Pfizer or Moderna to contract symptomatic COVID19.

Cool website where practicing doctors duscuss their methods and the effectiveness of those methods.

https://covexit.com/

Basically, simple treatments are needed for most. One doctor said it was 'far easier' to treat than the flu.

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Then again...this "vaccine" is not a FDA-approved vaccine. Why has this application not received full approval?

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Full FDA approval for any vaccine takes an average of over 3 years.

That being said, both Pfizer and Moderna submitted full approval requests last month. And they're both going to get it because the safety data is overwhelming at this point. No vaccine in human history has this much safety and efficacy data in such a short period of time.

They're going be the #1 and #2 fastest approved vaccinations in history, and by almost a full year.

Dude at work got the second shot a few days ago. Haven't seen him since.

Been calling in sick.

My family is not vaccinated. Mostly out of dislike of needing to schedule and sit in a line. If it takes more than 30 seconds of my day...i typically dont do it.

That said - I will eventually get it done for us. Planning on later in year b/c of seasonality. Assuming it is like a flu vaccine, why would anyone get a vaccine in April in Texas. Doesnt that mean you'll be losing vaccine effectiveness right in the middle of flu Coronavirus19 season?

No regrets. We should all celebrate these vaccines as the technological achievements that they are.

I regret it mainly because a friend of mine. She has had lots of complications from the shot. Had to have tons of MRIs and the like. Stays on blood thinners now after a pulmonary embolism.

Supposedly that is incredibly rare but she hasn't been on any news and I don't know of her being included in any studies or stats. So makes me wonder how honest and forthcoming our government and companies have been with observed complications

No regerts.

I international travel quite a bit and to fight that wave just wasn't worth it.

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Full FDA approval for any vaccine takes an average of over 3 years.

That being said, both Pfizer and Moderna submitted full approval requests last month. And they're both going to get it because the safety data is overwhelming at this point. No vaccine in human history has this much safety and efficacy data in such a short period of time.

They're going be the #1 and #2 fastest approved vaccinations in history, and by almost a full year.

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Safety is a function of time. Your statement is illogical.

One of my best buddies God mother died three days after getting the Moderna vaccine. She doesn't regret it but Dave sure does. He wishes he hadn't gotten in.

Three other people in the band got it and don't regret it - so far.

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Full FDA approval for any vaccine takes an average of over 3 years.

That being said, both Pfizer and Moderna submitted full approval requests last month. And they're both going to get it because the safety data is overwhelming at this point. No vaccine in human history has this much safety and efficacy data in such a short period of time.

They're going be the #1 and #2 fastest approved vaccinations in history, and by almost a full year.

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Why has your community (the medical community) pushed so much fear towards a virus that is fairly easily treated?

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I don't believe stating the vaccines are effective and safe constitutes "pushing fear". If anything, the fear mongering is coming from those claiming your ovaries will explode and any future children will be lizard people if you get the vaccines.

With respect to COVID19 being "fairly easily treated", this is true only in as much as the vast majority of cases require no treatment at all. Most people will get better in the same amount of time no matter what is done for them. You can take all the zinc and HCQ and azithromycin/doxycycline you want, and it probably won't hurt you but it isn't helping you. The caveats are that Bamlanivimab does appear to help keep high risk patients from progressing to hospitalization and severe disease, and ivermectin is intriguing in that there is at least conflicting data suggesting it might help.

That portion that does progress to severe disease, and that portion while relatively small is still a much higher percentage of overall cases than we see in influenza, are certainly not easy to treat however. Steroids help, remdesivir + baricitinib in the right patients probably helps, but you're really at the mercy of the patient's inflammatory response at that point. You provide supportive care and as much oxygenation as they need and hope they get better. Most do, some don't.

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Full FDA approval for any vaccine takes an average of over 3 years.

That being said, both Pfizer and Moderna submitted full approval requests last month. And they're both going to get it because the safety data is overwhelming at this point. No vaccine in human history has this much safety and efficacy data in such a short period of time.

They're going be the #1 and #2 fastest approved vaccinations in history, and by almost a full year.

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Why has your community (the medical community) pushed so much fear towards a virus that is fairly easily treated?

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I don't believe stating the vaccines are effective and safe constitutes "pushing fear". If anything, the fear mongering is coming from those claiming your ovaries will explode and any future children will be lizard people if you get the vaccines.

With respect to COVID19 being "fairly easily treated", this is true only in as much as the vast majority of cases require no treatment at all. Most people will get better in the same amount of time no matter what is done for them. You can take all the zinc and HCQ and azithromycin/doxycycline you want, and it probably won't hurt you but it isn't helping you. The caveats are that Bamlanivimab does appear to help keep high risk patients from progressing to hospitalization and severe disease, and ivermectin is intriguing in that there is at least conflicting data suggesting it might help.

That portion that does progress to severe disease, and that portion while relatively small is still a much higher percentage of overall cases than we see in influenza, are certainly not easy to treat however. Steroids help, remdesivir + baricitinib in the right patients probably helps, but you're really at the mercy of the patient's inflammatory response at that point. You provide supportive care and as much oxygenation as they need and hope they get better. Most do, some don't.

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I dont care so much about vaccines. I just know that my city council made decisions on my personal freedoms based off of recommendations from the medical community (local doctors). Im sure many other cities were similar.. these recs all seemed to be pushing masks with no data to back them, shut downs, etc. Seems pretty stupid by a bunch of people with expensive degrees. None of them coming out to say, "whoops, we overstated this, our bad".

Got the J&J and I regret it. Social pressure at work. Boss basically kept asking around the room who has gotten it.

Got it April 11th. 36 hours of fever. Sick to stomach for a week, and had severe drainage from sinuses and throat like never before. Been having chest pains on the left side ever since. Getting X rays Thursday morning.

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If the toxicity of a given treatment is time or cumulatively dose dependent, sure.

With respect to the SARS-CoV2 vaccines however, safety is a function of volume.

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Then again...this "vaccine" is not a FDA-approved vaccine. Why has this application not received full approval?

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Full FDA approval for any vaccine takes an average of over 3 years.

That being said, both Pfizer and Moderna submitted full approval requests last month. And they're both going to get it because the safety data is overwhelming at this point. No vaccine in human history has this much safety and efficacy data in such a short period of time.

They're going be the #1 and #2 fastest approved vaccinations in history, and by almost a full year.

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Why has your community (the medical community) pushed so much fear towards a virus that is fairly easily treated?

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I don't believe stating the vaccines are effective and safe constitutes "pushing fear". If anything, the fear mongering is coming from those claiming your ovaries will explode and any future children will be lizard people if you get the vaccines.

With respect to COVID19 being "fairly easily treated", this is true only in as much as the vast majority of cases require no treatment at all. Most people will get better in the same amount of time no matter what is done for them. You can take all the zinc and HCQ and azithromycin/doxycycline you want, and it probably won't hurt you but it isn't helping you. The caveats are that Bamlanivimab does appear to help keep high risk patients from progressing to hospitalization and severe disease, and ivermectin is intriguing in that there is at least conflicting data suggesting it might help.

That portion that does progress to severe disease, and that portion while relatively small is still a much higher percentage of overall cases than we see in influenza, are certainly not easy to treat however. Steroids help, remdesivir + baricitinib in the right patients probably helps, but you're really at the mercy of the patient's inflammatory response at that point. You provide supportive care and as much oxygenation as they need and hope they get better. Most do, some don't.

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I dont care so much about vaccines. I just know that my city council made decisions on my personal freedoms based off of recommendations from the medical community (local doctors). Im sure many other cities were similar.. these recs all seemed to be pushing masks with no data to back them, shut downs, etc. Seems pretty stupid by a bunch of people with expensive degrees. None of them coming out to say, "whoops, we overstated this, our bad".

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I can't speak for the entire medical community, but a general rule of thumb is that people in positions that expose them to significant public liability will virtually always err on the side of extreme caution. This is true regardless of how intelligent or educated one is.

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1. Epstein killed himself
2. The 2020 election was fair
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At least the advertising is correct

How do those of you that are pro-Trump but anti-vaccine handle the disconnect between your distrust of the vaccine, your trust of Pres. Trump, and his direct involvement in the implementation of this vaccine effort through Operation Warp Speed?

Or do you not think there's a disconnect, and I'm missing a piece of the puzzle?

The potential for younger people to be sterile and unable to have children.

People keep saying this where exactly has this been proven or seriously considered?

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How do those of you that are pro-Trump but anti-vaccine handle the disconnect between your distrust of the vaccine, your trust of Pres. Trump, and his direct involvement in the implementation of this vaccine effort through Operation Warp Speed?

Or do you not think there's a disconnect, and I'm missing a piece of the puzzle?

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I would be interested in what others have to say but for me the disconnect is he is not a doctor.

He did what he had to do to keep this country from collapsing.

Does the vaccine ultimately save lives? I do believe so.

Does the vaccine need to be injected into everyone? I don't believe so. I think anyone that is reasonably healthy can and should pass. I will not take it but i thought my parents made a reasonably well informed decision to get.

Will there be long term side effects of either vaccine or asymptomatic/low symptom COVID? Surely possible but we are too far away from "long term" to know. I will take my gamble on having issues from the virus versus the vaccine.

Everyone has a decision to make. Should not be forced.

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The myth stems from the theoretical concern of a single German epidemiologist last year based on the generic similarly of the SARCoV2 spike protein sequence to that of a placental protein called syncytin. There was no evidence whatsoever to back the claim, vaccinated women are getting pregnant just fine and pregnant women aren't miscarrying at higher rates that the general population.

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I took J&J. No issues. No regrets.

I do find it humorous that people are so very anti vaccine due to uncertainty, but have no problem drinking 15 beers, Big Macs, Diet Coke, candy like crazy, nicotine and other things that we know are not good for the body.

Seems like if we are concerned about one foreign substance, we should be concerned about all.

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So you think that people who got the vaccine don't eat poorly?

No regrets here.

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I took J&J. No issues. No regrets.

I do find it humorous that people are so very anti vaccine due to uncertainty, but have no problem drinking 15 beers, Big Macs, Diet Coke, candy like crazy, nicotine and other things that we know are not good for the body.

Seems like if we are concerned about one foreign substance, we should be concerned about all.

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So you think that people who got the vaccine don't eat poorly?

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Of course some do

His point is that someone with a BMI of 40 complaining about the safety of a vaccine rings pretty hollow.