Border Wall System Update:
— Chief Rodney Scott (@USBPChief) December 7, 2020
423 miles completed
228 miles under construction
87 miles under pre-construction
To see the latest on the Border Wall System go to: https://t.co/AYgZMlHzDY#BorderSecurity #borderwall pic.twitter.com/rLPV5M1h1e
You call that before picture a barrier?hoopla said:Border Wall System Update:
— Chief Rodney Scott (@USBPChief) December 7, 2020
423 miles completed
228 miles under construction
87 miles under pre-construction
To see the latest on the Border Wall System go to: https://t.co/AYgZMlHzDY#BorderSecurity #borderwall pic.twitter.com/rLPV5M1h1e
As of today, about 453 mi was completed with about 400 mi of it replacing old barriers.
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captkirk said:You call that before picture a barrier?hoopla said:Border Wall System Update:
— Chief Rodney Scott (@USBPChief) December 7, 2020
423 miles completed
228 miles under construction
87 miles under pre-construction
To see the latest on the Border Wall System go to: https://t.co/AYgZMlHzDY#BorderSecurity #borderwall pic.twitter.com/rLPV5M1h1e
As of today, about 453 mi was completed with about 400 mi of it replacing old barriers.
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After
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How the hell do coyotes bring people in anyway?!
11 months ago @JuliaEAinsley and I obtained a photo showing DHS, while testing Trump's prototype wall designs, cut through steel bollard with a saw available at Home Depot. Here's our story: https://t.co/rt6l8djylU
— Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) November 2, 2019
Today @NickMiroff reports it's actually happening. https://t.co/EMBTrp8elp pic.twitter.com/QwpSztVhkj
What beats a 50 ft, billion-dollar wall? A 51 ft ladder @ $16.
— Minh Ngo (@minhtngo) February 16, 2020
Smugglers have engineered camouflage hook-and-ladders made of rebar that blend in so well with the border wall that it can be hard to detect, according to U.S. Border Patrol. https://t.co/6asLlTL5i6 pic.twitter.com/vRheMHn7S8
A_Gang_Ag_06 said:Quote:
How the hell do coyotes bring people in anyway?!
We have a member of Congress that thinks they bring people over carrying them in their mouths.
There was a photoshop pic of Mexican kids riding coyotes like jockeys on Twitter a few years ago. It was in response to a leftist asking that same question, but she was being serious.TexAgsSean said:captkirk said:You call that before picture a barrier?hoopla said:Border Wall System Update:
— Chief Rodney Scott (@USBPChief) December 7, 2020
423 miles completed
228 miles under construction
87 miles under pre-construction
To see the latest on the Border Wall System go to: https://t.co/AYgZMlHzDY#BorderSecurity #borderwall pic.twitter.com/rLPV5M1h1e
As of today, about 453 mi was completed with about 400 mi of it replacing old barriers.
Before
After
The before photo will keep cattle out.
The after will keep coyotes out.
How the hell do coyotes bring people in anyway?!
That's right. Humans can surmount any barrier given enough time and resources. Military routinely uses barriers and will tell you they are not meant to be impenetrable, but are invaluable in effectively delaying and channelizing an attacker, and allow quicker detection by the defense. Above all, barriers must be backed up by sensors and people.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
It has not been too difficult. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by WaPo via a FOI request showed smugglers sawed into new sections of the new border wall 18 times in the San Diego area during a single one-month span in 2019. The San Diego area has the most fortified barriers anywhere along the border with recently completed sections having twin layers of steel bollard fencing as tall as 30 feet, with a paved road running between them that allows U.S. agents to quickly respond to scaling and breaching incidents.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
The point is they had to saw thru not just walk thru. Making a hole delayed them and was easy for BP to subsequently detect and correct. No barrier is impenetrable and all need effective monitoring and human enforcement and, even then, there will be leaks.etxag02 said:It has not been too difficult. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by WaPo via a FOI request showed smugglers sawed into new sections of the new border wall 18 times in the San Diego area during a single one-month span in 2019. The San Diego area has the most fortified barriers anywhere along the border with Mexico with recently completed sections having twin layers of steel bollard fencing as tall as 30 feet, with a paved road running between them that allows U.S. agents to quickly respond to scaling and breaching incidents.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
I don't understand your point. What's your recommended solution if not a wall/barrier?etxag02 said:It has not been too difficult. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by WaPo via a FOI request showed smugglers sawed into new sections of the new border wall 18 times in the San Diego area during a single one-month span in 2019. The San Diego area has the most fortified barriers anywhere along the border with recently completed sections having twin layers of steel bollard fencing as tall as 30 feet, with a paved road running between them that allows U.S. agents to quickly respond to scaling and breaching incidents.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
I'll guarantee you if all they had was a battery powered saw, it took them a long while to cut through, with a ton of extra blades and batteries. Plenty of time for law enforcement to get there in time. You don't cut through 12" square tubing with 1/4" wall thickness filled with concrete quickly, even with an acetylene cutting rig. I would question how they cut the steel tubing on the opposite side of the wall without a torch to cut out large pieces.etxag02 said:It has not been too difficult. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by WaPo via a FOI request showed smugglers sawed into new sections of the new border wall 18 times in the San Diego area during a single one-month span in 2019. The San Diego area has the most fortified barriers anywhere along the border with recently completed sections having twin layers of steel bollard fencing as tall as 30 feet, with a paved road running between them that allows U.S. agents to quickly respond to scaling and breaching incidents.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
Depends on what problem you are trying to solve. Legislation that addresses our labor needs and the migratory work force that our economy relies on is the needed solution and the most economical.Keller6Ag91 said:I don't understand your point. What's your recommended solution if not a wall/barrier?etxag02 said:It has not been too difficult. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by WaPo via a FOI request showed smugglers sawed into new sections of the new border wall 18 times in the San Diego area during a single one-month span in 2019. The San Diego area has the most fortified barriers anywhere along the border with recently completed sections having twin layers of steel bollard fencing as tall as 30 feet, with a paved road running between them that allows U.S. agents to quickly respond to scaling and breaching incidents.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
etxag02 said:
20 million a mile and defeated by $100 saw11 months ago @JuliaEAinsley and I obtained a photo showing DHS, while testing Trump's prototype wall designs, cut through steel bollard with a saw available at Home Depot. Here's our story: https://t.co/rt6l8djylU
— Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) November 2, 2019
Today @NickMiroff reports it's actually happening. https://t.co/EMBTrp8elp pic.twitter.com/QwpSztVhkj
A ladder is less expensiveWhat beats a 50 ft, billion-dollar wall? A 51 ft ladder @ $16.
— Minh Ngo (@minhtngo) February 16, 2020
Smugglers have engineered camouflage hook-and-ladders made of rebar that blend in so well with the border wall that it can be hard to detect, according to U.S. Border Patrol. https://t.co/6asLlTL5i6 pic.twitter.com/vRheMHn7S8
Exactly. You know how I can tell these people never cut through metal that thick before? That is not a 2 minute job.Ag87H2O said:I'll guarantee you if all they had was a battery powered saw, it took them a long while to cut through, with a ton of extra blades and batteries. Plenty of time for law enforcement to get there in time. You don't cut through 12" square tubing with 1/4" wall thickness filled with concrete quickly, even with an acetylene cutting rig. I would question how they cut the steel tubing on the opposite side of the wall without a torch to cut out large pieces.etxag02 said:It has not been too difficult. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by WaPo via a FOI request showed smugglers sawed into new sections of the new border wall 18 times in the San Diego area during a single one-month span in 2019. The San Diego area has the most fortified barriers anywhere along the border with recently completed sections having twin layers of steel bollard fencing as tall as 30 feet, with a paved road running between them that allows U.S. agents to quickly respond to scaling and breaching incidents.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
Sounds like MSM anti border wall propaganda to me.
etxag02 said:Depends on what problem you are trying to solve. Legislation that addresses our labor needs and the migratory work force that our economy relies on is the needed solution and the most economical.Keller6Ag91 said:I don't understand your point. What's your recommended solution if not a wall/barrier?etxag02 said:It has not been too difficult. U.S. Customs and Border Protection records obtained by WaPo via a FOI request showed smugglers sawed into new sections of the new border wall 18 times in the San Diego area during a single one-month span in 2019. The San Diego area has the most fortified barriers anywhere along the border with recently completed sections having twin layers of steel bollard fencing as tall as 30 feet, with a paved road running between them that allows U.S. agents to quickly respond to scaling and breaching incidents.MouthBQ98 said:
Making it more difficult gives more time to detect and intercept. Try publishing a photo of the actual wall being cut through after installation.
If we are just trying to stop illegal migration without addressing the underlying problem we have fighting with for over a hundred years, then walls are best for urban areas and high tech surveillance would be better for most of the border. Most of the border wall was a waste imho.
I don't think those walls are 50' but who on this planet thinks you can get a ladder longer than 50' for $16? More like $1000-$1600 for anything over 50 feet.Ol_Ag_02 said:etxag02 said:
A ladder is less expensiveWhat beats a 50 ft, billion-dollar wall? A 51 ft ladder @ $16.
— Minh Ngo (@minhtngo) February 16, 2020
Smugglers have engineered camouflage hook-and-ladders made of rebar that blend in so well with the border wall that it can be hard to detect, according to U.S. Border Patrol. https://t.co/6asLlTL5i6 pic.twitter.com/vRheMHn7S8
Bullets would be cheaper than the wall. And I don't think the saw or ladder will be effective.
We are being invaded.
"Fixing" Mexico and Central America would take trillions and a half century--if ever. Without border enforcement, in that time most would have already moved here.etxag02 said:
It's wasteful. The extra security would not be needed if the underlying problem was addressed.
Most are coming here with border enforcement. We can be naive and think we can stop it with enforcement alone, but we never have in the last 100 years. We keep on making the same mistakes. And for the partisans, that means the Democrats win no matter what.74OA said:Very true, but "fixing" Mexico and Central America would take trillions and a half century--if ever. Without border enforcement, in that time most would have just moved here.etxag02 said:
It's wasteful. The extra security would not be needed if the underlying problem was addressed.
Many will try and a well-enforced barrier will help control that. My point is we need near-term enforcement until other long-term programs can address the underlying issues down south. They're not mutually exclusive approaches.etxag02 said:Most are coming here with border enforcement. We can be nave and think we can stop it with enforcement alone, but we never have in the last 100 years. We keep on making the same mistakes. And for the partisans, that means the Democrats win no matter what.74OA said:Very true, but "fixing" Mexico and Central America would take trillions and a half century--if ever. Without border enforcement, in that time most would have just moved here.etxag02 said:
It's wasteful. The extra security would not be needed if the underlying problem was addressed.
lb3 said:I don't think those walls are 50' but who on this planet thinks you can get a ladder longer than 50' for $16? More like $1000-$1600 for anything over 50 feet.Ol_Ag_02 said:etxag02 said:
A ladder is less expensiveWhat beats a 50 ft, billion-dollar wall? A 51 ft ladder @ $16.
— Minh Ngo (@minhtngo) February 16, 2020
Smugglers have engineered camouflage hook-and-ladders made of rebar that blend in so well with the border wall that it can be hard to detect, according to U.S. Border Patrol. https://t.co/6asLlTL5i6 pic.twitter.com/vRheMHn7S8
Bullets would be cheaper than the wall. And I don't think the saw or ladder will be effective.
We are being invaded.
The "well-enforced barrier" is really the only thing we are concentrating on. Nothing else. That's a losing battle unless you want the big demographic change.74OA said:Many will try and a well-enforced barrier will help control that. My point is we need enforcement until other programs can address the underlying issues down south. They're not mutually exclusive approaches.etxag02 said:Most are coming here with border enforcement. We can be nave and think we can stop it with enforcement alone, but we never have in the last 100 years. We keep on making the same mistakes. And for the partisans, that means the Democrats win no matter what.74OA said:Very true, but "fixing" Mexico and Central America would take trillions and a half century--if ever. Without border enforcement, in that time most would have just moved here.etxag02 said:
It's wasteful. The extra security would not be needed if the underlying problem was addressed.
Fixing Mexico would require a multi-decade military occupation / conquering.74OA said:"Fixing" Mexico and Central America would take trillions and a half century--if ever. Without border enforcement, in that time most would have already moved here.etxag02 said:
It's wasteful. The extra security would not be needed if the underlying problem was addressed.
