We'll know that DeSantis is the heir apparent and likely nominee when the Dems vote to provisionally impeach him.

Florida Man meme headlines for the win

Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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My wife says the 19th amendment was a mistake.

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Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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That may be true, but its dumb on so many levels considering the race hatred the Left is promoting.

Bluntly ,white women need to start voting with white men if there is any real `divide'. Doing willfully otherwise is asinine. Who else does that?

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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titan said:

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Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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That may be true, but its dumb on so many levels considering the race hatred the Left is promoting.

Bluntly ,white women need to start voting with white men if there is any real `divide'. Doing willfully otherwise is asinine. Who else does that?

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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Because The Force is Female, or something.

ArcticPenguin said:

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titan said:

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Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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That may be true, but its dumb on so many levels considering the race hatred the Left is promoting.

Bluntly ,white women need to start voting with white men if there is any real `divide'. Doing willfully otherwise is asinine. Who else does that?

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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BigRobSA said:

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ArcticPenguin said:

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titan said:

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Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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That may be true, but its dumb on so many levels considering the race hatred the Left is promoting.

Bluntly ,white women need to start voting with white men if there is any real `divide'. Doing willfully otherwise is asinine. Who else does that?

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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Seriously...this is what happens whenever you take stuff out of a Victim's Studies classroom and try to use it in the real world.

DeSantis

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Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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That may be true, but its dumb on so many levels considering the race hatred the Left is promoting.

Bluntly ,white women need to start voting with white men if there is any real `divide'. Doing willfully otherwise is asinine. Who else does that?

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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There is so much projection in this it's tough to know where to start.

Maybe you can start with which of "Trump's policies (were) intended to keep the current caste system in place."

Trump just brought the #3 R in the House to her knees, without a political or media platform, and people think DeSantis has a chance,...if the two run against each other. How cute.

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system.

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What?? That is something you apparently would get from college education these days, but in the sense Dennis Prager talks about. Mis-educated.

Hell as long as they are not ugly, white women especially have almost all the options these days. And the board has addressed in forensic fashion pay structures over and over again. That said, policies and and programs that take into consideration women's specific needs especially during maternity, are valid to seek.

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Look at COVID.

Trump deferred to government experts. And that was his undoing.

DeSantis did his own homework - because he is smart enough to do so! - and went against the government experts. And he was right.

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THIS. The ultimate "bad Trump" was giving us Fauci too.

I love me some Trump, but ultimately, he cares about his own personal image and legacy to a detriment imo. He was necessary at that point in time in our country and helped pave the way for guys like Desantis to be real contenders...but Desantis is far superior to Trump in every way and is a no brainer. He is strong in the areas Trump was but also in areas where Trump was weak or would step on his own d*ck.

I truly wish it were in Trump's nature to step aside and endorse Desantis, but unfortunately, it is not. I just hope it doesn't cause enough division within the party to compromise the 2024 election.

Fauci is not as easy as people think. You are the President in February 2020. Your business and career to date involved very little exhaustive study in medical matters. You have what everyone is saying is the next Spanish flu hitting your country, and the country it came from it at least appears people are genuinely dropping dead in the streets.

You have some "experts" recommended to you. What precisely, is your basis for assuming the recommendations are bad, your staff are subversive and giving you bad advice, and that they are unfit? Think about that for a moment.

This is separate from why certain ones had not been fired by June or July. But from the above--how do you blame him?

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Fauci is not as easy as people think. You are the President in February 2020. Your business and career to date involved very little exhaustive study in medical matters. You have what everyone is saying is the next Spanish flu hitting your country, and the country it came from it at least appears people are genuinely dropping dead in the streets.

You have some "experts" recommended to you. What precisely, is your basis for assuming the recommendations are bad, your staff are subversive and giving you bad advice, and that they are unfit? Think about that for a moment.

This is separate from why certain ones had not been fired by June or July. But from the above--how do you blame him?

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I see your point. I just wish he had done his basic due diligence enough to find out that Fauci was literally writing letters of admiration to Hillary and considered her a "hero" for the way she handled Banghazi and the hearings. That should be the ultimate red flag imo and should have nixed him from consideration. I realize things were moving fast though.

You simply cannot trust any man who is head over heels in love with Hillary Clinton (your arch enemy for crying out loud), sorry.

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I truly wish it were in Trump's nature to step aside and endorse Desantis, but unfortunately, it is not. I just hope it doesn't cause enough division within the party to compromise the 2024 election.

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Maybe not. That's something Don.Jr , Eric, and Ivanka both might realize and have some leverage on helping to avoid? Melania may really be wanting some non political time by then too. It depends on what is going on by then --- what if Trump is running his entire own NBC by then or platform?

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Fauci is not as easy as people think. You are the President in February 2020. Your business and career to date involved very little exhaustive study in medical matters. You have what everyone is saying is the next Spanish flu hitting your country, and the country it came from it at least appears people are genuinely dropping dead in the streets.

You have some "experts" recommended to you. What precisely, is your basis for assuming the recommendations are bad, your staff are subversive and giving you bad advice, and that they are unfit? Think about that for a moment.

This is separate from why certain ones had not been fired by June or July. But from the above--how do you blame him?

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I see your point. I just wish he had done his basic due diligence enough to find out that Fauci was literally writing letters of admiration to Hillary and considered her a "hero" for the way she handled Banghazi and the hearings. That should be the ultimate red flag imo and should have nixed him from consideration. I realize things were moving fast though.

You simply cannot trust any man who is head over heels in love with Hillary Clinton (your arch enemy for crying out loud), sorry.

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Trump praised Clinton, too. And supported her run for President (before being his opponent in 16, of course).

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Fauci is not as easy as people think. You are the President in February 2020. Your business and career to date involved very little exhaustive study in medical matters. You have what everyone is saying is the next Spanish flu hitting your country, and the country it came from it at least appears people are genuinely dropping dead in the streets.

You have some "experts" recommended to you. What precisely, is your basis for assuming the recommendations are bad, your staff are subversive and giving you bad advice, and that they are unfit? Think about that for a moment.

This is separate from why certain ones had not been fired by June or July. But from the above--how do you blame him?

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I see your point. I just wish he had done his basic due diligence enough to find out that Fauci was literally writing letters of admiration to Hillary and considered her a "hero" for the way she handled Banghazi and the hearings. That should be the ultimate red flag imo and should have nixed him from consideration. I realize things were moving fast though.

You simply cannot trust any man who is head over heels in love with Hillary Clinton (your arch enemy for crying out loud), sorry.

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Trump praised Clinton, too. And supported her run for President (before being his opponent in 16, of course).

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Yep, I think he tried to gain favor with a lot of politicians on both sides over the years, even mingling with the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. His past support of Hillary is why I didn't vote for him in 2016. But that stink went away by 2020...look at us now...wish the goofy sumbich was still in charge instead of the weak geriatric dementia riddled clown.

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Fauci is not as easy as people think. You are the President in February 2020. Your business and career to date involved very little exhaustive study in medical matters. You have what everyone is saying is the next Spanish flu hitting your country, and the country it came from it at least appears people are genuinely dropping dead in the streets.

You have some "experts" recommended to you. What precisely, is your basis for assuming the recommendations are bad, your staff are subversive and giving you bad advice, and that they are unfit? Think about that for a moment.

This is separate from why certain ones had not been fired by June or July. But from the above--how do you blame him?

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I see your point. I just wish he had done his basic due diligence enough to find out that Fauci was literally writing letters of admiration to Hillary and considered her a "hero" for the way she handled Banghazi and the hearings. That should be the ultimate red flag imo and should have nixed him from consideration. I realize things were moving fast though.

You simply cannot trust any man who is head over heels in love with Hillary Clinton (your arch enemy for crying out loud), sorry.

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The worst thing Trump did was allow the swamp to appoint a lot of his staffers (who withheld critical info from him and lied to him). He should had fired everyone on day one and replaced with non politicians of his choosing. Trump won in a landslide and would do so again. I'd like to see DeSantis over the long term before he takes up any higher office, he very well could be acting tougher than he is (I hope he is legit though).

Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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DeSantis is pretty good looking guy, and that also helps, sadly

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Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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DeSantis is pretty good looking guy, and that also helps, sadly

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Yup.

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Trump will curb stomp DeSantis if challenged. He has a trail of neutered rivals behind him.

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I am hopeful that DeSantis is the one that can stop him.

DeSantis or Noem.

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Trump will curb stomp DeSantis if challenged. He has a trail of neutered rivals behind him.

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I am hopeful that DeSantis is the one that can stop him.

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I honestly hope these guys don't go toe to toe. It would be bad for conservatives.

That said, I think that Trump could be better at kicking ass and taking names if he didn't have the presidency to worry about. Let me be the garbage man draining the swamp while DeSantis plays nice guy to the camera, and grin ****s the marxists on policy.

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Look at COVID.

Trump deferred to government experts. And that was his undoing.

DeSantis did his own homework - because he is smart enough to do so! - and went against the government experts. And he was right.

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Trump had to make decisions months before Florida did. Still I agree that pretty much all of Trump's covid response decisions were pretty much wrong and paved the way for a fraudulent stolen election as well as harmed his relative popularity between 1 year ago and last November.

He also ignored the BLM mobs and let that massive Dem led psy ops take a hold of our nation for the last half of the year. Suburban moms the nation over turned leftist all of a sudden. He seemed unbothered and untethered to the realization of what was going on.

DeSantis.

Trump is providing value by being on the sidelines with his following and picking and choosing the candidates that best align with his movement.

I'd prefer to keep Trump in that mode with DeSantis running for president.

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The worst thing Trump did was allow the swamp to appoint a lot of his staffers (who withheld critical info from him and lied to him). He should had fired everyone on day one and replaced with non politicians of his choosing. Trump won in a landslide and would do so again. I'd like to see DeSantis over the long term before he takes up any higher office, he very well could be acting tougher than he is (I hope he is legit though).

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Completely unprepared to take office. He thought, I guess, that he would lose.

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The worst thing Trump did was allow the swamp to appoint a lot of his staffers (who withheld critical info from him and lied to him). He should had fired everyone on day one and replaced with non politicians of his choosing. Trump won in a landslide and would do so again. I'd like to see DeSantis over the long term before he takes up any higher office, he very well could be acting tougher than he is (I hope he is legit though).

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Completely unprepared to take office. He thought, I guess, that he would lose.

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Or even simpler, that Republicans staffers were not Dem-Left wannabes. It was pretty shocking to learn you do need to fire everybody on your first day in office.

DeSantis

ArcticPenguin said:

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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My sister went from liking trump and praising him during the daily covid response press conferences to hating him by the end of july after the police killing and BLM response.

It was, in my estimation, a giant planned psy ops by the dems, the media and other international financiers. If not Floyd, then it would have been someone else that kicked off everything. They needed something to drive up the hate and distrust of Trump by the black and urban communities (which he had steadily improved his numbers with).

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Trump will curb stomp DeSantis if challenged. He has a trail of neutered rivals behind him.

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I am hopeful that DeSantis is the one that can stop him.

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I honestly hope these guys don't go toe to toe. It would be bad for conservatives.

That said, I think that Trump could be better at kicking ass and taking names if he didn't have the presidency to worry about. Let me be the garbage man draining the swamp while DeSantis plays nice guy to the camera, and grin ****s the marxists on policy.

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I think Trump is a complete loser on any ticket. There is not this mass of people out there that will suddenly change their collective minds. If there was a group like that on Nov 7 they were completely gone by Jan 6.

If the Republicans want to win in 2024 they need a guy like DeSantis. They will have a very difficult time winning with Trump on a ticket.

Of course those same women would have complained had Trump ordered the riots dealt with like in the 70's. Let alone some Tiannanmen-lite. Still, it probalby would have been better to err on the side of strength.

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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My sister went from liking trump and praising him during the daily covid response press conferences to hating him by the end of july after the police killing and BLM response.

It was, in my estimation, a giant planned psy ops by the dems, the media and other international financiers. If not Floyd, then it would have been someone else that kicked off everything. They needed something to drive up the hate and distrust of Trump by the black and urban communities (which he had steadily improved his numbers with).

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Ah, yes...St. George of the Immaculate Overdose.

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Keegan99 said:

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DeSantis. It's not about who YOU like. It's about who can win.

White women will vote for DeSantis. They won't vote for Trump.

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That may be true, but its dumb on so many levels considering the race hatred the Left is promoting.

Bluntly ,white women need to start voting with white men if there is any real `divide'. Doing willfully otherwise is asinine. Who else does that?

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The inherent fallacy in this argument is the belief that you understand why college educated women crossed the aisle to begin with. It isn't because Trump is "mean". It is because his policies are intended to keep the current caste system in place. White men are at the top of that caste system. College educated and affluent white women with their own careers are tired of the gender, martial status, and motherhood being treated differently as men in the exact same familial situation as them.

It isn't a race issue, it is a gender issue. You want the suburban white women back? Don't have a candidate say incredibly tone deaf things it upper middle class women like "don't worry I will get your husband's back to work" (Trump). If you want them back, address their concerns.

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You mean, the president whose economic policies led to the lowest black unemployment in history since the civil war? That president? That caste system?