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Remember the two guys being held without bail regarding Sicknick's death are charged with discharging a lethal weapon, i.e. bear spray.

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Did they ever produce video or even stills of the place and moment of Sicknick under attack? I know there won't be any of that alleged "fire extinguisher" because that turned out false. I simply mean where was he engaged--where did the incident happen--what part of the building? I will likely know the when if I see an image where he is among others and background visible.

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Some video is HERE.

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aggiehawg said:

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Remember the two guys being held without bail regarding Sicknick's death are charged with discharging a lethal weapon, i.e. bear spray.

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Did they ever produce video or even stills of the place and moment of Sicknick under attack? I know there won't be any of that alleged "fire extinguisher" because that turned out false. I simply mean where was he engaged--where did the incident happen--what part of the building? I will likely know the when if I see an image where he is among others and background visible.

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Some video is HERE.

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Thank you! At last, and worth the wait. A bit of a surprise. Not at all where was seeing implied. Sicknick appears to be being engaged at the moment some started manhandling barriers out of the way on the eastern side (or maybe the western side) around 2:14 just as the testimony claimed-- but not all in that large crush of protesters mixed with Antifa types that climbed up to and at the Inaugural stand and entrance archway on the western side about an hour later. The pavement and lamps look more like the eastern side but its more the point of when it WAS NOT. It is also not at all associated with the crush of people besieging the internal main front door at the east, or an entrance at all.

Hmm. It does explain one thing --- why it took so long to clearly unravel some of the facts--- that phase of bicycle rack barriers being forced aside was not as "kinetic" and tracing a moment where he had a mortal injury would have been imprecise.

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Remember the two guys being held without bail regarding Sicknick's death are charged with discharging a lethal weapon, i.e. bear spray.

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Did they ever produce video or even stills of the place and moment of Sicknick under attack? I know there won't be any of that alleged "fire extinguisher" because that turned out false. I simply mean where was he engaged--where did the incident happen--what part of the building? I will likely know the when if I see an image where he is among others and background visible.

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Some video is HERE.

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Thank you! At last, and worth the wait. A bit of a surprise. Not at all where was seeing implied. Sicknick appears to be being engaged at the moment some started manhandling barriers out of the way on the eastern side (or maybe the western side) around 2:14 just as the testimony claimed-- but not all in that large crush of protesters mixed with Antifa types that climbed up to and at the Inaugural stand and entrance archway on the western side about an hour later. The pavement and lamps look more like the eastern side but its more the point of when it WAS NOT. It is also not at all associated with the crush of people besieging the internal main front door at the east, or an entrance at all.

Hmm. It does explain one thing --- why it took so long to clearly unravel some of the facts--- that phase of bicycle rack barriers being forced aside was not as "kinetic" and tracing a moment where he had a mortal injury would have been imprecise.

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Tankleff and fellow lawyer Steve Metcalf, who share a New York practice, told Just the News their Jan. 6 clients had been placed in two forms of 23-hour solitary confinement. One is "the box," where inmates are sent for disciplinary infractions.

They characterized the other, "administrative segregation," as non-punitive in name only. Tankleff said the clients weren't given notice or the opportunity to challenge the designation, which is unusual.

The lawyers have faced hurdles starting with actually meeting their clients. A "contact visit" requires an inmate to quarantine afterward for a minimum of 14 days in a space that includes new inmates. "It's not the safest place" for staying COVID-free," Metcalf said.

For non-contact visits with clients, lawyers aren't allowed to bring phones or computers, he added, which makes it nearly impossible for Jan. 6 defendants to see evidence against them, namely "recordings from thousands of people's cell phones."

Tankleff said he has put evidence on a laptop disconnected from the internet to show clients in other jails with no problem. "Your ability to participate in your own defense" is not available to these clients, which is an obvious ground for appeal, he added.

The design of D.C. inmate facilities also makes confidentiality functionally impossible, according to Tankleff. "There isn't even a solid wall" in the space where attorneys meet with clients, he explained.

Two cubicles down from one meeting, "we heard everything" another lawyer was saying, he recalled.

It's highly suspicious why the defendants arrested elsewhere have to be sent to D.C. when all their hearings are virtual by default, he said: "What was the purpose of transferring them?"

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Metcalf said it's the first time in his career he's seen this mass exodus of defendants to another jurisdiction. "It was a well-thought out strategic plan" to get them to D.C. and put in the same space, where they can be "mic'd in a cage."

"Adjustments" to policy following criticism

The Department of Corrections has faced scrutiny for the strict jail conditions going back to the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, but especially in the past month.

D.C. is an outlier among jail systems even in its own backyard, the Post reported. Inmates in Montgomery County get 2 1/2 hours outside their cells, and three hours in Prince George's County.

While officials said the 23-hour lockdowns had largely stopped the spread of COVID, Comer seized on the psychological and physical harms the policy was reportedly causing.

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How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?

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They can't under the law. But these are the largely partisan DC federal court judges. Due process for the accused is not a major consideration for them.

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yep. we no longer have unalienable rights. only when the government allows us to have them.

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This is socialism/communism where the government starts to control the narrative. Malibu are you listening/reading this or is your head still in the sand?

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It's probably not a good look to have capital security waving people inside, and also capital security shooting people inside.

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My thoughts since day 1. Strangely...that very thought never occurred to the MSM.

BRAVO: Rep. Paul Gosar Stands Up for Ashli Babbitt, Demands To Know Who Executed Her (VIDEO) https://t.co/PK72brQHgy @RepGosar is the real MVP

— Cassandra Fairbanks (@CassandraRules) May 12, 2021

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) goes after former acting Defense Sec. Christopher Miller for taking back his written statement saying President Trump “encouraged” protesters on January 6.

Miller: “That’s ridiculous”
Lynch: “You’re ridiculous.” pic.twitter.com/8drl4UjR5D

— The Recount (@therecount) May 12, 2021

Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) arguing that the takeover of the Capitol Jan. 6 was akin to a “normal tourist visit” and that those who entered the Capitol did so in “an orderly fashion”:pic.twitter.com/EuNv8uxqXy

— Ursula Perano (@UrsulaPerano) May 12, 2021

The Dems and their MSM cohorts started cover story narrative to impede any response to January 6th by the military or advance planning.

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When Miller testified before Congress on May 12, he said he "stand(s) by my prior observation that I personally believe (Trump's) comments encouraged the protestors that day." But he also told Congress that after some more assessment, "It seems clear there was an organized assault element in place that was going to assault regardless of what the president said."

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Miller defended his own decisions and explained that the media narratives leading up to Jan. 6 weighed heavily on his mind as he sought to safely navigate the contentious day while avoiding a constitutional crisis or even the perception of anything that could be erroneously viewed as one.

Reporters immediately began mocking Miller for highlighting this true thing, but he is the one who would know what was weighing on his mind as he decided whether, where, and how many uniformed troops he should order for deployment in our nation's capital.

He is raising a critically important issue that all corporate media should pay attention to, reflect on, and if they are guilty of baseless scaremongering about mythical military coups, take responsibility for. Corporate media's irresponsible and dishonest "reporting" during the Trump administration helped not only completely break down Americans' trust in the news, but it also had an adverse impact on officials' decisionsand to tragic effect.

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"My concerns regarding the appropriate and limited use of the military in domestic matters were heightened by commentary in the media about the possibility of a military coup or that advisors to the president were advocating the declaration of martial law," Miller testified.

Keep in mind the false media narrative that the Trump administration's directions caused D.C. police to use excessive force against protesters during the Black Lives Matter riots. Surely on Miller's mind was the media-driven frenzy in June prompted by Trump walking across Pennsylvania Avenue to observe the damage rioters caused to the historic St. John's Episcopal Church.

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"I was also cognizant of the fears promulgated by many about the prior use of the military in the June 2020 response to protests near the White House and fears that the president would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic manner," he said.

He said the letter by former secretaries of defense contributed to his wariness of the appearance of military impropriety in domestic affairs. Miller also had to deal with the false media narrative that the Trump administration used excessive force against protesters during the Black Lives Matter riots.

"I was also cognizant of the fears promulgated by many about the prior use of the military in the June 2020 response to protests near the White House and fears that the president would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic manner," he said.

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Also, D.C. Mayor Bowser did not want a significant troop presence. "The limited request from the mayor for D.C. National Guard deployment distanced from the Capitol is why I agreed only to deploy our soldiers in areas away from the Capitol, avoiding amplifying the irresponsible narrative that your armed forces were somehow going to be co-opted in an effort to overturn the election," noted Miller.

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Miller's testimony was not redeeming for Trump. But it does paint a fuller picture. The deceptive media contributed to a narrative that U.S. armed forces could be dangerously co-opted by an unhinged Trump, and that narrative whipped up hysteria that affected Miller's calculations.

In hindsight, we know more highly visible security was required much sooner to dissuade anyone from pushing the boundaries of law and order. But considering Miller's testimony, it is obvious how far from making that decision U.S. leaders were, and it is completely understandable.

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Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) arguing that the takeover of the Capitol Jan. 6 was akin to a “normal tourist visit” and that those who entered the Capitol did so in “an orderly fashion”:pic.twitter.com/EuNv8uxqXy

— Ursula Perano (@UrsulaPerano) May 12, 2021

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Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) arguing that the takeover of the Capitol Jan. 6 was akin to a “normal tourist visit” and that those who entered the Capitol did so in “an orderly fashion”:pic.twitter.com/EuNv8uxqXy

— Ursula Perano (@UrsulaPerano) May 12, 2021

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I will spot you that one right up front. It is gaslighting given what occurred even with the example he gave because of what that very group would then do next. But it depends on something very important:

Did he see any part of the footage just before or just after them strolling through statuary hall (2:28-2:35 pm range)? If he did, that's gaslighting, because that same procession becomes a lot more onery by the time reaches the main door to the House at the end of the hall from Statuary Hall, and are pounding on that door, and saying "break it down". And that's after basically shouting down and out of the way a cadre of CP or security. That's the same door you see the men with drawn guns on the inside defending the chamber.

And we are talking about just minutes--- what he describes is only a few minutes-- you can't get that impression from right before that, or right after. It makes you wonder how it was all possibly shown if he really didn't see it.

Editing has always been a problem with major events like this---too little watching of raw footage.

He is correct to say to call it an Insurrection is a bold-faced lie.

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"Showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures. If you didn't know the TV footage was a video from Jan. 6 you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit"

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That's correct --IF, you only watch from about 2:20-2:35 pm -- if you only watch the segment of them wandering through the Rotunda and then processing toward the House through Statuary Hall to the south. They were respectful and continued to be of the various art. But as far as mood you see something quite different if you "stick" with the video and crowd after that. It wasn't an insurrection, but it was very rowdy and threatening in `Occupy' fashion. Wonder if he actually simply was shown only what we are seeing above.

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The footage will be put in the same locker as Seth R's notebook.

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And the prison footage from the night Epstein didnt hang himself.

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A federal judge on Friday issued a standing order in prosecutions against Capitol rioters that will allow media organizations to obtain prosecutors' video evidence.

The ruling from District Court Judge Beryl Howell will implement a process for federal prosecutors to make public their video exhibits in cases stemming from the Jan. 6 riot. Under the new standing order, defendants in those cases will have the opportunity to object to the release of video exhibits if they think it will be prejudicial for a potential jury.

Judges will ultimately decide whether videos should be released on a case-by-case basis, but the order Friday will apply a uniform standard for allowing media organizations to obtain some potentially unseen footage from Jan. 6.

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Under the standing order, if judges approve of the release of video exhibits, media organizations will be able to access media files from the U.S. Attorney's Office in D.C., which is leading the prosecutions.

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The order comes in response to a motion from 14 media organizations that asked Howell to streamline the process for public access to the footage.

"While we appreciate the extraordinary workload these prosecutions present to the hardworking Judges and staff of this Court, delayed access to these historic records shuts the public out of an important part of the administration of justice," the news organizations wrote to the court.

The Justice Department has brought more than 400 prosecutions against those who participated in the events Jan. 6. None of the cases have yet gone to trial but judges have relied on video evidence in deciding pretrial motions like whether to allow defendants to be released on bail.

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Wait! I assume the defense counsel was able to view that same material that the judge did, correct?

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I sit minutes away from taxpayer funded locations that I can never know anything about.
Kathie Glass wanted to cut their power when she ran for Gov in 2014.

nu awlinsag - you are 1,000 % correct. People need to wake up.

what a silly post capped off by an awful, sweeping accusation at the end. trying, unsuccessfully i might add, to play the race card is a sign that your argument is weak (and you know it).

flagged. enough of this crap.

What the **** is this diarrhea you left in this thread?

The defense will have access, just not the public. But, I am sure you know this