What are they hiding regarding January 6th?

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aggiehawg
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It's the taxpayer funded nation's Capitol. They have taxpayer funded surveillance cameras all over the place. Why won't they allow anyone, including defense attorneys to access it?

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UNITED STATES' MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

The United States of America hereby respectfully moves the Court for the entry of a protective order governing the production of discovery by the parties in the above-captioned case. Hereinafter, any reference to the term "Defendant" refers to each individual defendant captioned above.

1. Defendant is charged via indictment with offenses related to crimes that occurred at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. In brief, on that date, as a Joint Session of the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate convened to certify the vote of the Electoral College of the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election, members of a large crowd that had gathered outside forced entry into the U.S. Capitol, including by breaking windows and by assaulting members of law enforcement, as others in the crowd encouraged and assisted those acts. Scores of individuals entered the U.S. Capitol without authority to be there. As a result, the Joint Session and the entire official proceeding of the Congress was halted until the Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police Department, and other law enforcement agencies from the city and surrounding region were able to clear the Capitol of hundreds of unlawful occupants and ensure the safety of elected officials. This event in its entirety is hereinafter referred to as the "Capitol Attack."

2. The investigation and prosecution of the Capitol Attack will likely be one of the largest in American history, both in terms of the number of defendants prosecuted and the nature and volume of the evidence. Over 300 individuals have been charged in connection with the Capitol Attack. The investigation continues and the government expects that at least one hundred additional individuals will be charged. While most of the cases have been brought against individual defendants, the government is also investigating conspiratorial activity that occurred prior to and on January 6, 2021. The spectrum of crimes charged and under investigation in connection with the Capitol Attack includes (but is not limited to) trespass, engaging in disruptive or violent conduct in the Capitol or on Capitol grounds, destruction of government property, theft of government property, assaults on federal and local police officers, firearms offenses, civil disorder, obstruction of an official proceeding, possession and use of destructive devices, and conspiracy.

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5. Many of the above-described materials may contain sensitive information, such as (a) personal identity information as identified in Rule 49.1 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, as well as telephone numbers, email addresses, driver's license numbers, and similar unique identifying information; (b) information regarding the government's confidential sources; (c) information that may jeopardize witness security; (d) contact information for, photographs of, and private conversations with individuals that do not appear to be related to the criminal conduct in this case; (e) medical or mental health information, (f) sources and methods lawenforcement officials have used, and will continue to use, to investigate other criminal conduct related to the publicly filed charges; and (g) tax returns or tax information. Additional sensitive materials include surveillance camera footage from the U.S. Capitol Police's extensive system of cameras on U.S. Capitol grounds, see Attachment A (Declaration of Thomas A. DiBiase, General Counsel for the United States Capitol Police), and repair estimates obtained from the Architect of the Capitol that constitute procurement information.
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11. Counsel for defendant Stevens does not oppose the proposed protective order. Counsel for defendant McCaughey opposes the proposed protective order. WHEREFORE, to expedite the government's provision of discoverable materials, and to adequately protect the United States' legitimate interests, the government requests that pursuant to the Court's authority under Fed. R. Crim. P. 16(d)(1), the Court enter the attached proposed order
Proposed order:

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1. Materials Subject to this Order. This Order governs materials provided by the United States at any stage of discovery during this case and which the United States has identified as either "Sensitive" or "Highly Sensitive." Examples of materials that the United States may designate as "Sensitive" or "Highly Sensitive" pursuant to this Order include but are not limited to:

a. Personal identity information as identified in Rule 49.1 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, as well as telephone numbers, email addresses, driver's license numbers, and similar unique identifying information;

b. Information regarding the government's confidential sources;

c. Information that may jeopardize witness security;

d. Contact information for, photographs of, and private conversations with individuals that do not appear to be related to the criminal conduct in this case;

e. Medical or mental health records;

f. Sources and methods law-enforcement officials have used, and will continue to use, to investigate other criminal conduct related to the publicly filed charges;

g. Surveillance camera footage from the U.S. Capitol Police's extensive system of cameras on U.S. Capitol grounds;
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Almost all the January 6 video seen by the public isn't from official government sources but by social media users and journalists on the scene. For example, the widely viewed footage of protestors occupying the Senate chamber was recorded by a New Yorker journalist.

But thousands of hours of real-time footage is in the hands of the Capitol Policeand that agency, along with government lawyers and federal judges, is using every legal trick possible to keep the trove hidden from the public even as clips are presented in court as evidence against hundreds of January 6 defendants.

According to an affidavit filed in March by Thomas DiBiase, the Capitol Police department's general counsel, the building is monitored 24/7 by an "extensive system of cameras" positioned both inside and outside the building as well as near other congressional offices on the grounds.

The system captured more than 14,000 hours of footage between noon and 8 p.m. on January 6; the archive was made available to two Democratic-controlled congressional committees, the FBI, and the D.C. Metropolitan Police department. (After a request by Congress, the agency reportedly handed over footage from the entire 24-hour period.)
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Capitol Police also produced selective clips for Democratic House impeachment managers to use in the trial against Donald Trump.

But Capitol Police argue that making all the tapes available to defense attorneys let alone to the American publiccould provoke future violence. "The Department has significant concerns with the release of any of its footage to defendants in the Capitol attack cases unless there are safeguards in place to prevent its copying and dissemination," DiBiase wrote March 17. "Our concern is that providing unfettered access to hours of extremely sensitive information to defendants who already have shown a desire to interfere with the democratic process will . . . [be] passed on to those who might wish to attack the Capitol again."
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The Justice Department, in numerous cases, is seeking protective orders to rigorously limit how surveillance video is handled by defense attorneys. Recordings have been deemed "highly sensitive" government material subject to onerous rules; the accused only have access to the evidence in a supervised setting. Clips cannot be copied, downloaded, shared, or reproduced in any fashion.

"Defense counsel may not provide a copy of Highly Sensitive materials to Defendant or permit Defendant to view such materials unsupervised by defense counsel or an attorney, investigator, paralegal, or support staff person employed by defense counsel," Judge Amit Mehta wrote in a protective order related to the conspiracy case against members of the Oath Keepers. "The parties agree that defense counsel or an attorney, investigator, paralegal, or support staff person employed by defense counsel, may supervise Defendant by allowing access to Highly Sensitive materials through a cloud-based delivery system that permits Defendant to view the materials but does not permit Defendant the ability to download."
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But defense attorneys and the media now are fighting the video blackout. During a detention hearing last month for the two men accused of spraying officer Brian Sicknickboth have been behind bars and denied bail since their arrests in Marchdefense lawyers objected to the government's use of "cherry-picked" video they couldn't see in its full context which, if examined, might contain exculpatory evidence.

Under pressure from a group of media outlets, the government finally released what it claims is the incriminating video showing the chemical spray "attack" against Sicknick. (It didn't.) The choppy video included recordings from several surveillance cameras, a few D.C. police officers, and a bystander.
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Journalists continue to be frustrated by the Justice Department's suppression tactics. In a plea last week to Beryl Howell, chief judge of the D.C. District Court handling all the January 6 cases, 14 news organizations asked for better access to video evidence presented in court. (Virtual court proceedings further help prosecutors keep the clips under wraps.)

"[T]he press and public have not been able to access these videos on the Court's electronic dockets," lawyers representing CNN, ABC News, the Wall Street Journal and others wrote in a May 3 letter. "Delayed access to these historic records shuts the public out of an important part of the administration of justice." The government, the lawyers told Howell, refuses to give a "substantive answer" as to why the video evidence isn't publicly available and listed several cases where surveillance footage was played in court but not otherwise accessible.
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The secret video archive of January 6 isn't the only recording under scrutiny. It's also unclear whether Capitol Police kept the footage from January 5. DiBiase said surveillance video is routinely deleted after 30 days; only a "very limited" number of clips from January 5 were given to the U.S. Attorney in D.C., the office handling the massive investigation.

It would be very convenient for the Capitol Policeno objective party in this saga since it launched the lie about Sicknick's deathto purge footage from January 5 so defense attorneys and the public cannot see what sort of activity took place the day before the "insurrection."
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There's only one reason why the Justice Department wants to keep the footage under seal: it contradicts most if not all of the claims advanced by Democrats and the media over the past four months.
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Something stinks here.
Detmersdislocatedshoulder
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Question. What are they hiding?

Answer. The truth
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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something always stinks. so f'ing tired of our government.
AGHouston11
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One officer didn't die as we were told and one unarmed woman was shot and killed in the neck.
NG requests were denied for that day.
Capitol police were not in full capacity.

Even some Republicans went along with the obvious false narrative.

Of course nobody wants video released.
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Its worth noting that even the Reichstag Fire investigation did not involve suppression of access to witnesses and the physical evidence.

The good thing is the private and news videos, shot live and carelessly, reveal a huge amount of what took place that goes beyond any of the news summaries you see when put in full context. There is more than enough to show the official MSM narrative and Biden admin take as insurrection is utterly false.

What makes this suppression of access to the routinely available security footage interesting however, is that what it might very readily show is the starting moments with the more obviously paid-off or `put to the job' agent provocateurs that escalated key points of the mostly spontaneous, markedly restrained, and yet expanding demonstration to riot level. Particularly important would be how the large group of very aggressive intruders that demonstrably arrived almost a half hour before the rally ended got there--and whether they were bussed in as witnesses even on the board here mentioned seeing that day.
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The footage will be put in the same locker as Seth R's notebook.
richardag
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The less transparent our government gets more injustices will continue to occur.

The people who illegally entered the Capital certainly should be prosecuted for any criminal acts, but to call this an insurrection is laughable on its face.
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If the investigators and prosecutors can use it, then the defense should have full access also. It's a public building, there are very few secrets about it.
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Particularly important would be how the large group of very aggressive intruders that demonstrably arrived almost a half hour before the rally ended got there--and whether they were bussed in as witnesses even on the board here mentioned seeing that day.
This.
captkirk
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How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?
aggiehawg
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But those surveillance videos are likely Brady material, meaning exculpatory.

People are being held without bond, some in solitary in defiance of habeas corpus and potentially exculpatory materials are being withheld from their defense counsel. Multiple violations of due process for essentially are mostly trespassing charges.
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AGHouston11 said:

The footage will be put in the same locker as Seth R's notebook.
And the prison footage from the night Epstein didnt hang himself.
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captkirk said:

How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?
They can't under the law. But these are the largely partisan DC federal court judges. Due process for the accused is not a major consideration for them.
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captkirk said:

How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?
Well many are being kept in solitary confinement too. This should scare people the depths our own government is willing to go to "punish" its own citizens.
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Only person from that incident that should be charged is the cowardly ******* that shot the woman.
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It's probably not a good look to have capital security waving people inside, and also capital security shooting people inside.
Waffledynamics
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This thing has glowed in the dark ever since mysterious explosives were found in the area.
aggiehawg
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Remember the two guys being held without bail regarding Sicknick's death are charged with discharging a lethal weapon, i.e. bear spray.
GTdad
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As far as I can tell, the proposed order doesn't keep this footage out of the hands of defense attorneys, it keeps the defense attorneys from releasing the stuff to the public.

ETA: or to their clients, apparently.
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aggiehawg said:

captkirk said:

How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?
They can't under the law. But these are the largely partisan DC federal court judges. Due process for the accused is not a major consideration for them.


yep. we no longer have unalienable rights. only when the government allows us to have them.
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Unfortunately, withholding discovery is somewhat common in Texas.
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Waffledynamics said:

This thing has glowed in the dark ever since mysterious explosives were found in the area.
The IG looking into January 6th gave a report on Capitol Hill yesterday.

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A U.S. Capitol Police watchdog told a congressional committee on Monday that the agency was not equipped to handle the flow of intelligence ahead of the Jan. 6 attack on the complex, and he focused his testimony on a suggestion that the force create a dedicated counterintelligence unit.

Inspector General Michael Bolton, as part of a series of investigative reports and related House Administration Committee hearings, has drilled down on Capitol Police deficiencies revealed by the riot that he says must be addressed to transform the department from its reactionary stance to a protective agency.
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Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., noted that Bolton found that the department's intelligence operations section, which is currently responsible for counter-surveillance, had only 13 officers deployed on Jan. 6.

And many of those officers were pulled into an investigation of two pipe bombs discovered nearby,
taking them away from a focus on the Capitol, Bolton said.

"If those pipe bombs were intended to be diversion ... it worked," Bolton told Raskin.
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Bolton said he's now preparing a new report that will focus on the radio traffic concerns.

"We need to make sure that the threat assessments and the planning and preparation were adequate for the event that was to present this huge challenge to our country and specifically to the officers who protected us," said Lofgren, a California Democrat.

She added that the panel will hold a hearing in the near future with the Capitol Police Board, which oversees the agency. The committee's Republicans, led by ranking Rep. Rodney Davis, R-Ill., have said the board which is made of the Capitol Police chief, the Senate and House sergeants-at-arms and the architect of the Capitol has not appeared before a congressional committee since 1945.
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Aaaannnd of course at a time when defunding police is a Dem siren call, Capitol Hill Police have their hands out for more money and a lot of it.
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atmtws said:

AGHouston11 said:

The footage will be put in the same locker as Seth R's notebook.
And the prison footage from the night Epstein didnt hang himself.


And the shooting footage from Las Vegas
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aggiehawg said:

captkirk said:

How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?
They can't under the law. But these are the largely partisan DC federal court judges. Due process for the accused is not a major consideration for them.
It's because that's not what they are requesting. If you continue to read the proposed order, it lays out how materials that are labeled "Sensitive" or "Highly Sensitive" are to be handled:
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4. Rules for the Handling of Sensitive and Highly Sensitive Materials.
  • a. Limitations on Use. Defendant and the legal defense team may use Sensitive and Highly Sensitive discovery materials solely in connection with the defense of this case and any other case connected to the events at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, including any post-conviction or appellate litigation, and for no other purpose, and in connection with no other proceeding, without further order of this Court.
  • b. Limitations on Dissemination. No Sensitive or Highly Sensitive materials, or the information contained therein, may be disclosed to any persons other than Defendant, the legal defense team, or the person to whom the Sensitive or Highly Sensitive information solely and directly pertains or his/her counsel, without agreement of the United States or prior authorization from the Court.
  • c. Limitations on Reproduction. Defendant, the legal defense team, and authorized persons shall not copy or reproduce the Sensitive or Highly Sensitive materials except in order to provide copies of the materials for use in connection with this case by Defendant, the legal defense team, the person to whom the Sensitive or Highly Sensitive information solely and directly pertains or his/her counsel, and other persons to whom the Court may authorize disclosure (collectively, "authorized persons").If defense counsel provides Defendant access to Sensitive or Highly Sensitive materials, defense counsel must advise Defendant that Defendant may not record any personal identity information as identified in Rule 49.1 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or any telephone numbers, email addresses, driver's license numbers, and similar unique identifying information. By signing the attached affirmation, Defendant agrees not to do so. Copies and reproductions, and any notes or records made in relation to the contents of the Sensitive and Highly Sensitive materials, are to be treated in the same manner as the original materials.
  • d. Court Filings. Absent prior agreement by the parties or permission from the Court, no party shall disclose materials designated as Sensitive or Highly Sensitive in any public filing with the Court. Such materials shall be submitted under seal. The Clerk shall accept for filing under seal any filings so marked by the parties pursuant to this Order.


aggiehawg
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The way I am reading that is attorneys cannot track down and talk to any witnesses as part of their defense?

What do you think it says?
GTdad
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I don't see where it prohibits defense attorneys from tracking down witnesses. What paragraph of the order do you see that in?
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aggiehawg said:

captkirk said:

How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?
They can't under the law. But these are the largely partisan DC federal court judges. Due process for the accused is not a major consideration for them.


By willfully and flagrantly denying due process and fundamental Constitutional rights to those that are imprisoned for disagreeing with the politics of the establishment, is the government trying to incite an actual hot revolt so that they can instill martial law, thereby permanently dissolving personal freedom and government of, by, and for the people? Their actions are more in line with totalitarian regimes rather than representatives of the people. I never thought that I would see political prisoners in this country.
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AGHouston11 said:

The footage will be put in the same locker as Seth R's notebook.
and clinton's server, and maxwell's laptop, and epstein's jail film, and obama's cell records, and biden's laptop, and on and on and on
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Satellite of Love said:

captkirk said:

How can they charge people with crimes and not release video to their attorneys?
Well many are being kept in solitary confinement too. This should scare people the depths our own government is willing to go to "punish" its own citizens for being associated with the wrong political party.


Added a bit for clarity.
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the Jan. 6 attack on the complex, and he focused his testimony on a suggestion that the force create a dedicated counterintelligence unit.
The first bolded didn't happen

The second should scare the ever livin' hell out of everyone
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Need to go back where DC people can't vote for President, expand to suburbs if govt employees.Obama militarized these folks . They sabotaged Trump. Used to they transitioned with different leader and were above politics, because they had no vote. They enjoyed good checks and cush jobs. Now they are 4th branch of govt. I used to teach how civil servants were just that- now afraid I probably would be fired for cussing them.
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From the same article:

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So what, exactly, is the government trying to hide? How can activity inside and outside a public building be considered "highly sensitive?" In response to a Freedom of Information Act filing by Judicial Watch, Capitol Police told the group the recordings are not "public records." But of course they are. A security system controlled by a federal agency in a public building paid for by taxpayers to conduct the public business of public officials is most certainly a public record.

Even if legal loopholes allow for such an exemption, the greater public interest should supersede any technicalities. Major parts of the original narrative already have fallen apart, including the story that officer Sicknick was murdered by Trump supporters and the myth it was an "armed insurrection"; the full account of what prompted the killing of Ashli Babbitt by an unidentified Capitol cop is still unknown.
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aggiehawg said:

Remember the two guys being held without bail regarding Sicknick's death are charged with discharging a lethal weapon, i.e. bear spray.
Did they ever produce video or even stills of the place and moment of Sicknick under attack? I know there won't be any of that alleged "fire extinguisher" because that turned out false. I simply mean where was he engaged--where did the incident happen--what part of the building? I will likely know the when if I see an image where he is among others and background visible.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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