Nothing like throwing out the baby with the bath water......

Well...what will happen is the FBI will be removed then the dems will get to decide the new bureaus name. I think they will go with the Secured Support bureau or SS for short.

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Can't see this happening under a democrat unless it's to be replaced with some kind of stasi

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Exactly, be careful what and when you wish for something. With this crew in the WH I'd be scared of what would replace it.

We still have the police, but we just keep it a secret. We can call them the secret police.

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Fishin Texas Aggie 05 said:

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Can't see this happening under a democrat unless it's to be replaced with some kind of stasi

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Exactly, be careful what and when you wish for something. With this crew in the WH I'd be scared of what would replace it.

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It will never happen under a Demokkkrat-CCP party rule, of course. The pendulum of partisan power swings over time though.

The movement might gain steam over the next few years, had to start somewhere, and perhaps in 10 or more it could be done. As noted in the article perhaps a lot of the function could go to the US Marshall service, and additional oversight be granted to investigations therein, such as requiring the director to rotate every two years, use a body of members appointed by both parties as a governing board, etc.

I think if good minds worked on this for just a few days many tremendous improvements/controls could be put on a much smaller (in scope and size) investigative branch/arm of the federal government, is my point. The FBI is absolutely an enemy of the people and must be abolished (note for trolls/FBI scanners, this is not a call for insurrection/violence).

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Always has been

Any move to address qualified immunity of state / local police needs to be extended to federal law enforcement officials.

Without that immunity, there would be a very good cause for a class action suit against the FBI for their excessive use of force related to January 6th. It would make headlines, and draw scrutiny to specific agents that were exhibiting the worse sort of behavior.

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Ok, abolish the FBI, then what?

The federal government is still going to want an investigative arm. They'll either create something else or transfer the role to the department of justice. Most of the FBI would move to whatever was created.

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We need such an organization, but it must be redesigned from the top down. All senior management removed or reassigned, and it must be decentralized, perhaps aligned on the district or circuit courts with the reduced central organization only dealing with international matters and external threats. There also must be more checks and balances instituted regarding intrusion of political motivations into the institution.

rgag12 said:

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Ok, abolish the FBI, then what?

The federal government is still going to want an investigative arm. They'll either create something else or transfer the role to the department of justice. Most of the FBI would move to whatever was created.

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FBSW : Federal Bureau of Social Workers.

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B-1 83 said:

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Nothing like throwing out the baby with the bath water......

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Let the baby find another, cleaner, bathtub to crawl into.

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Satans baby, maybe. The FBI has always been ***** We all know the excesses of Hoover, Ruby Ridge, Waco, shooting up a vehicle with women and children and the gunning down Finicum, trying to cover for Hillary and Obama with running the fake Russian collusion hoax, etc. Any attempts at reform will just be stalled until a Democrat can reverse them. The FBI should be disbanded and its members prevented from applying for other law enforcement jobs. They are irredeemable.

rgag12 said:

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Ok, abolish the FBI, then what?

The federal government is still going to want an investigative arm. They'll either create something else or transfer the role to the department of justice. Most of the FBI would move to whatever was created.

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That's what you specifically avoid. Its the upper rank personnel you fire. Reshape the structure. The new leadership would be drawn from related fields like detectives and inspectors outside the present chain of command. The act of abolition would create a natural re-boot moment, and new name but would be less important. You also better define the scope of authority.

As your question implies, what you can't really imagine is trying to get away with having no federal investigative arm at all or would even want to try. DOJ needs house-cleaning in similar fashion.

If DeSantis is so fortunate to win in 2024 he needs to fire 1000's of people in these government agencies - and that includes the FBI. Every agency probably needs to lose 20% of its workforce, easily.

I support the demolition and restructuring of some of their duties and agents

There are systemic problems in the FBI at its core, i dont think its salvageable.

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I fully support this and intend to support/send financial support to any politicians who draft/support such legislation. The FBI is completely rotten to the core and needs to be abolished.

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To date have much have you donated?


So strange the Johnny Come Lately NeoCons who, from 2001 to 2012ish, were all happy with the FBI's Patriot Act powers (mostly written by Sleepy Joe Biden) and now suddenly they have seen the light.

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From 2007: CBS NEWS LINK
The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.

And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more safeguards into place.

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What's the over/under on how long until Don Serber's house gets raided by the FBI?

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I fully support this and intend to support/send financial support to any politicians who draft/support such legislation. The FBI is completely rotten to the core and needs to be abolished.

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To date have much have you donated?


So strange the Johnny Come Lately NeoCons who, from 2001 to 2012ish, were all happy with the FBI's Patriot Act powers (mostly written by Sleepy Joe Biden) and now suddenly they have seen the light.

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From 2007: CBS NEWS LINK
The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.

And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more safeguards into place.

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Sure, I acknowledge not having the foresight to realize what was coming from the Patriot Act (the desperate partisan shrieks about how stupid/evil W was didn't help, nor did the insistence on running 'patriotic' John F Kerry, who served in Vietnam and Cambodia, against him then in 2004). I don't think it's particularly accurate to say that my peers/analogs on the left were and are consistent about fears as to the FBI using those powers to become a police state enforcement arm, or as abusive as happened quickly under Obama. But I don't care about their consistency over a 2+ decade period of time.

Many of us did realize the threat to our civilization that muslim immigration/travel represented after 9-11, and I think the folks who took over the FBI and used the Patriot Act powers and reputation (as widely perceived) of the bureau while weaponizing it in favor of a political ideology are to blame (including 'honest' Bob Mueller, before he became a senile old man like Xiden), but the Patriot Act did contribute to the abuses.

Again, rather than pointing fingers I hope that a bipartisan movement is in its nascent stages to end this organization. It is a rot within the republic.

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A more subtle way to inherit an institution is to win an election. Now, of course someone who attains political office through this route isn't always a familial heir, though it's more common than you might think. But when they inherit a seat they have inherited something they could never have built from scratch. In that sense they are a political heir. After all, most folks who assume political office in the modern US do not have the skills to organize anything like the Federal Reserve or the US Military from scratch, unlike George Washington or Alexander Hamilton. Their primary skill is getting elected, which is more like becoming popular on Twitter than creating Twitter. The banks they bail out are too big to fail, and the shoes they inherit are too big to fill.

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We couldn't rebuild the fbi if we wanted to, probably a good thing.

https://1729.com/founding-vs-inheriting/

The FBI has just turned into a flat out joke. It's really pathetic.

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TxTarpon said:

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I fully support this and intend to support/send financial support to any politicians who draft/support such legislation. The FBI is completely rotten to the core and needs to be abolished.

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To date have much have you donated?


So strange the Johnny Come Lately NeoCons who, from 2001 to 2012ish, were all happy with the FBI's Patriot Act powers (mostly written by Sleepy Joe Biden) and now suddenly they have seen the light.

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From 2007: CBS NEWS LINK
The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.

And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more safeguards into place.

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Sure, I acknowledge not having the foresight to realize what was coming from the Patriot Act (the desperate partisan shrieks about how stupid/evil W was didn't help, nor did the insistence on running 'patriotic' John F Kerry, who served in Vietnam and Cambodia, against him then in 2004). I don't think it's particularly accurate to say that my peers/analogs on the left were and are consistent about fears as to the FBI using those powers to become a police state enforcement arm, or as abusive as happened quickly under Obama. But I don't care about their consistency over a 2+ decade period of time.

Many of us did realize the threat to our civilization that muslim immigration/travel represented after 9-11, and I think the folks who took over the FBI and used the Patriot Act powers and reputation (as widely perceived) of the bureau while weaponizing it in favor of a political ideology are to blame (including 'honest' Bob Mueller, before he became a senile old man like Xiden), but the Patriot Act did contribute to the abuses.

Again, rather than pointing fingers I hope that a bipartisan movement is in its nascent stages to end this organization. It is a rot within the republic.

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I just don't see enough appetite for a bi-partisan investigation like the Church Committee that reined in an out of control CIA back in the day.

rgag12 said:

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Ok, abolish the FBI, then what?

The federal government is still going to want an investigative arm. They'll either create something else or transfer the role to the department of justice. Most of the FBI would move to whatever was created.

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We have dozen different alphebet law enforcement agencies. You could get rid of the FBI and no one would notice.

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nortex97 said:

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I fully support this and intend to support/send financial support to any politicians who draft/support such legislation. The FBI is completely rotten to the core and needs to be abolished.

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To date have much have you donated?


So strange the Johnny Come Lately NeoCons who, from 2001 to 2012ish, were all happy with the FBI's Patriot Act powers (mostly written by Sleepy Joe Biden) and now suddenly they have seen the light.

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From 2007: CBS NEWS LINK
The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.

And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more safeguards into place.

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Sure, I acknowledge not having the foresight to realize what was coming from the Patriot Act (the desperate partisan shrieks about how stupid/evil W was didn't help, nor did the insistence on running 'patriotic' John F Kerry, who served in Vietnam and Cambodia, against him then in 2004). I don't think it's particularly accurate to say that my peers/analogs on the left were and are consistent about fears as to the FBI using those powers to become a police state enforcement arm, or as abusive as happened quickly under Obama. But I don't care about their consistency over a 2+ decade period of time.

Many of us did realize the threat to our civilization that muslim immigration/travel represented after 9-11, and I think the folks who took over the FBI and used the Patriot Act powers and reputation (as widely perceived) of the bureau while weaponizing it in favor of a political ideology are to blame (including 'honest' Bob Mueller, before he became a senile old man like Xiden), but the Patriot Act did contribute to the abuses.

Again, rather than pointing fingers I hope that a bipartisan movement is in its nascent stages to end this organization. It is a rot within the republic.

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I just don't see enough appetite for a bi-partisan investigation like the Church Committee that reined in an out of control CIA back in the day.

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Is that the one Toricelli's name is always linked with, or is that later? Its been interesting having to come to appreciate some of what was correct about that.

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aggiehawg said:

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nortex97 said:

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I fully support this and intend to support/send financial support to any politicians who draft/support such legislation. The FBI is completely rotten to the core and needs to be abolished.

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To date have much have you donated?


So strange the Johnny Come Lately NeoCons who, from 2001 to 2012ish, were all happy with the FBI's Patriot Act powers (mostly written by Sleepy Joe Biden) and now suddenly they have seen the light.

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From 2007: CBS NEWS LINK
The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.

And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more safeguards into place.

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Sure, I acknowledge not having the foresight to realize what was coming from the Patriot Act (the desperate partisan shrieks about how stupid/evil W was didn't help, nor did the insistence on running 'patriotic' John F Kerry, who served in Vietnam and Cambodia, against him then in 2004). I don't think it's particularly accurate to say that my peers/analogs on the left were and are consistent about fears as to the FBI using those powers to become a police state enforcement arm, or as abusive as happened quickly under Obama. But I don't care about their consistency over a 2+ decade period of time.

Many of us did realize the threat to our civilization that muslim immigration/travel represented after 9-11, and I think the folks who took over the FBI and used the Patriot Act powers and reputation (as widely perceived) of the bureau while weaponizing it in favor of a political ideology are to blame (including 'honest' Bob Mueller, before he became a senile old man like Xiden), but the Patriot Act did contribute to the abuses.

Again, rather than pointing fingers I hope that a bipartisan movement is in its nascent stages to end this organization. It is a rot within the republic.

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I just don't see enough appetite for a bi-partisan investigation like the Church Committee that reined in an out of control CIA back in the day.

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Is that the one Toricelli's name is always linked with, or is that later? Its been interesting having to come to appreciate some of what was correct about that.

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No. But the members of that committee were notable in their own right.


Frank Church


John Tower



Howard Baker


Mondale


Goldwater


Gary Hart

Other members were Phillip Hart, Walter Huddleston, Charles Mathias, Robert Morgan and Richard Schweiker.

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nortex97 said:

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I fully support this and intend to support/send financial support to any politicians who draft/support such legislation. The FBI is completely rotten to the core and needs to be abolished.

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To date have much have you donated?


So strange the Johnny Come Lately NeoCons who, from 2001 to 2012ish, were all happy with the FBI's Patriot Act powers (mostly written by Sleepy Joe Biden) and now suddenly they have seen the light.

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From 2007: CBS NEWS LINK
The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.

And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more safeguards into place.

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Sure, I acknowledge not having the foresight to realize what was coming from the Patriot Act (the desperate partisan shrieks about how stupid/evil W was didn't help, nor did the insistence on running 'patriotic' John F Kerry, who served in Vietnam and Cambodia, against him then in 2004). I don't think it's particularly accurate to say that my peers/analogs on the left were and are consistent about fears as to the FBI using those powers to become a police state enforcement arm, or as abusive as happened quickly under Obama. But I don't care about their consistency over a 2+ decade period of time.

Many of us did realize the threat to our civilization that muslim immigration/travel represented after 9-11, and I think the folks who took over the FBI and used the Patriot Act powers and reputation (as widely perceived) of the bureau while weaponizing it in favor of a political ideology are to blame (including 'honest' Bob Mueller, before he became a senile old man like Xiden), but the Patriot Act did contribute to the abuses.

Again, rather than pointing fingers I hope that a bipartisan movement is in its nascent stages to end this organization. It is a rot within the republic.

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I just don't see enough appetite for a bi-partisan investigation like the Church Committee that reined in an out of control CIA back in the day.

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There is zero appetite for it today, but for maybe 10 senators (LOL, Cornyn isn't in that group) and perhaps 50 Reps. But again I don't see this as a 'current event' but rather something on the 10 year horizon. The abuses and rank partisanship/persistent lies to protect 'the bureau' (and the left/antifa etc. as discussed) have grown way past any level of tolerable 'well, that's bad but we can fix it.'

It's way past just Ohrs, Szrtok, McCabe, Comey, etc. The whole organization is rotten, and I think over time once, again, the pendulum swings away from the left, we will get there. It will definitely take 60 senators and the house and POTUS to make it happen.

I'm still not so sure. Look at the Senators that were on the Church Committee I posted. Those were statesman who cared about the country more than their partisanship. Do you think in this day and age Goldwater, Mondale, Gary Hart and a John Tower would ever agree on anything?

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Sure, I acknowledge not having the foresight to realize what was coming from the Patriot Act

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Another law like Obongocare that had to be passed to know what was in it.
As I said then "Yall good with a Janet Reno type having all that power?"

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.....and I think the folks who took over the FBI and used the Patriot Act powers and reputation (as widely perceived) of the bureau while weaponizing it in favor of a political ideology are to blame (including 'honest' Bob Mueller, before he became a senile old man like Xiden), but the Patriot Act did contribute to the abuses.

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See previous posts on Dementia Bob.

If you think the FBI is going away you are naive.

John "I broke wedding vows" Tower.
That dude was harsh.
I bet he was a nut kicker in a bar fight.

TxTarpon said:

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John "I broke wedding vows" Tower.
That dude was harsh.
I bet he was a nut kicker in a bar fight.

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Although it hadn't happened yet, Gary Hart and John Tower had a lot in common with the other women in their lives.