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If lack of plates was broadly and equally enforced he wouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

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What evidence do you have that it is not?

This is so weird. You're advocating both for the cops to ignore no license plates, while at the same time, decrying the fact that they don't stop enough people for no license plates.

Economics is not your only fail area, Two Teas.

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I drove around without any plate for four months after Mr. Carwash ate it and I was too busy/lazy to get my car registered. I was never stopped, probably had something to do with the color of my skin.

If everyone with no plate or a fake plate was pulled over people would actually stop doing it. Instead most people are ignored except in situations like this where it can be used for a pretextual stop hoping for a felony arrest.

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Sounds like you have a healthy disregard for law and order ...btw how does a carwash eat a plate

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using a slang term to suggest he was facing execution."

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Really?

So a taser is now equivalent to the electric chair?

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Seriously? That's some impressive mental flexibility...

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When was the last time you saw Metallica? I last saw them in 2015 at Rock in Rio - Las Vegas. Great show.

Anyway, I'm tired of reporting that says stuff like, "he was called a racial slur" or in this case, "a slang term to suggest he was facing execution"

If Gutierrez sad, boy, you're fixin' to meet your maker, that's one thing.

Everybody knows that "ride the lightning" means that you're about to get "don't tase me bro".

In no way is it a term that means you're about to get Judge Dredd street executed.

I've been closely following the Washington Post's allegations of racism at VMI where they keep referring to "a racial slur" that is not in fact a racial slur. So that's where my frustration with crappy and or just plain dishonest reporting comes from.

If "ride the lightning" means you're about to get executed. Is it a reasonable expectation to believe that Gutierrez has an electric chair in his back pocket?

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Almost every agency has the catch all "conduct unbecoming and officer" (the military too) and they can use this to fire you. The fired officers verbiage could certainly fall under that policy.

Although the officers use of force was legal, it might have been outside the agencies use of force policy, another reason they can fire you.

As someone else said (Cassius?) this is a social justice firing.

The city may end up settling (not very deep pockets in a small town though) because it will be cheaper to settle for the right amount, than fight it in court.

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Or maybe the city fathers fired him in an effort to show the LT that they cared.....in order to save their butts and try to to sway him from filing a lawsuit. Isn't that what some poster's on here have said for the reason the officers let him go in the end....to try to save their butts so to speak. What's the difference? None

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Crocker and Gutierrez also made factual misstatements in their reports. Crocker said Nazario assaulted him as he tried to open the door and swatted away his hands, but the body cam footage shows that never happened. At no point did Nazario even attempt to touch or stop Crocker from opening the door. Gutierrez failed to give any kind of warning that he was going use his pepper spray, despite the report saying he gave several, which is likely what got him fired. Many departments require officers to issue warnings before using pepper spray or tazers, and if Windsor is one of them then violation of that could be a terminatable offense.

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Good point here. Lying is one of the primary reasons cops get fired. Making sure your reports match what happened is extremely important.

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And as I mentioned, it was mentioned in the statement on Gutierrez's termination that disciplinary action had already been taken before the body cam footage came out, and he could have been fired as a part of that. There's no timeline given. Either way, their department came to the conclusion they ****ed up before the current ****storm. This is a performance firing, and it should be.

Or was it a preemptive attempt by the city to avoid a lawsuit....

I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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Think about this statement for a second. Do you actually believe that? Think of a guy in the heat of the moment, with 2 guns drawn on him. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Do you actually think he was consciously thinking "let me RISK MY OWN LIFE and maybe this will go viral and I'll get a big ass settlement from this"

Cmon, man.

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Magic City Wings said:

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If lack of plates was broadly and equally enforced he wouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

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What evidence do you have that it is not?

This is so weird. You're advocating both for the cops to ignore no license plates, while at the same time, decrying the fact that they don't stop enough people for no license plates.

Economics is not your only fail area, Two Teas.

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I drove around without any plate for four months after Mr. Carwash ate it and I was too busy/lazy to get my car registered. I was never stopped, probably had something to do with the color of my skin.

If everyone with no plate or a fake plate was pulled over people would actually stop doing it. Instead most people are ignored except in situations like this where it can be used for a pretextual stop hoping for a felony arrest.

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Go sit in the median of a highway and tell us the race of each driver as they go by. I guarantee you that you can't do it with any sense of accuracy.

What a ridiculous, totally baseless bull**** thought.

But let me ask you this: are black people statistically more likely to commit crimes? Yes, there's no reasonable debate about that. So, do you think it's "wrong" for police...like every other human operating on basic human instinct...to assume it's more likely? Whose fault is it if they operate on that totally reasonable assumption? Theirs? Or the larger group of people committing a disproportionate amount of crime causing those assumptions to exist in the first place?

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Are they more likely to commit crimes or are they just policed more? If I was a cop I could go to Seven Lakes high school and make a felony arrest for pills or whatever within 5 minutes of the end of school bell, they just choose not to.

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That's a very complex question because they are policed more but they are also violent crime at disproportionate rates, which is much less a function of police interaction than low level drug crimes or "process" crimes like traffic violations.

It likely has more to do with economic demographics than racial demographics. Wealthy communities don't have the property and violent crime rates that poor communities do, so they don't justify the same level of police presence. That means that low level crimes are much more likely to go unnoticed. People in those communities also have better access to lawyers, so crime in those communities or neighborhoods may actually be under recorded because they are able to get charges dropped or avoid conviction. Those places also skew white. Poverty drives property and violent crime, regardless of race, but impoverished communities skew towards minorities. It's not surprising then that comment crime skews that way. It doesn't excuse it, but it does help to explain the statistical disparity.

Do cops, or at least some cops, treat black people differently and unjustly police them or make assumptions about them based purely on race? Probably. Do they do it because they see crime statistics skewing towards them? Also probably. It's a circular problem, so when you all this question, the real answer is, "All of the above."


As to the previously quoted reply, yes, black people are statistically more likely to commit crime, but it is not because they're black and making assumptions about them based on bing black is not reasonable. For one it conflates correlation and causation. Two, it implies guilt, or at least justifies suspicion of guilt, based on nothing but skin color and association. Three, making false or incorrect assumptions has negative consequences. Cops can't complain about how they don't get respect and cooperation because black people think they're racists (thanks to the media) and then turn around and try to justify racial profiling, which is by definition racist. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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You make these same assumptions every day of your life. When you drive through certain neighborhoods, where you choose to live, etc. Of course it's not due to the melanin content of their skin. It has to do with their socioeconomic situation, and they are disproportionately worse off than all other groups in America.

You're asking people to dehumanize themselves. It would actually be completely IRRATIONAL for cops to not behave based on their knowledge of the facts, along with their own experiences, which are also disproportionate in who they deal with.

The Toyota Center like 15 years ago.

I've NEVER heard that phrase used in the context of being tazed. I've only ever heard it in the context of being executed or killed, and it has been around and used in that context for decades longer than tazers have even been around.

If you want to argue he really only meant tazed, why was he holding a gun instead of a tazer? Because if someone says, "You're about to ride the lightning," with a gun pointed at you, the implication seems pretty unambiguous. He doesn't need an electric chair in his pocket because he's got a gun. In his hand. Pointed at Nazario.

Last time I checked, there's only one reason you point a gun at something.


"He only meant tazed," is a huge stretch.

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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Think about this statement for a second. Do you actually believe that?Think of a guy in the heat of the moment, with 2 guns drawn on him. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Do you actually think he was consciously thinking "let me RISK MY OWN LIFE and maybe this will go viral and I'll get a big ass settlement from this"

Cmon, man.

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Ohhhh, so NOW we should consider how people behave "in the heat of the moment" when their lives are possibly at stake? Yeah...ok.

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larry culpepper said:

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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Think about this statement for a second. Do you actually believe that?Think of a guy in the heat of the moment, with 2 guns drawn on him. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Do you actually think he was consciously thinking "let me RISK MY OWN LIFE and maybe this will go viral and I'll get a big ass settlement from this"

Cmon, man.

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Ohhhh, so NOW we should consider how people behave "in the heat of the moment" when their lives are possibly at stake? Yeah...ok.

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So it works one way, but not the other?

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If lack of plates was broadly and equally enforced he wouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

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What evidence do you have that it is not?

This is so weird. You're advocating both for the cops to ignore no license plates, while at the same time, decrying the fact that they don't stop enough people for no license plates.

Economics is not your only fail area, Two Teas.

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I drove around without any plate for four months after Mr. Carwash ate it and I was too busy/lazy to get my car registered. I was never stopped, probably had something to do with the color of my skin.

If everyone with no plate or a fake plate was pulled over people would actually stop doing it. Instead most people are ignored except in situations like this where it can be used for a pretextual stop hoping for a felony arrest.

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Go sit in the median of a highway and tell us the race of each driver as they go by. I guarantee you that you can't do it with any sense of accuracy.

What a ridiculous, totally baseless bull**** thought.

But let me ask you this: are black people statistically more likely to commit crimes? Yes, there's no reasonable debate about that. So, do you think it's "wrong" for police...like every other human operating on basic human instinct...to assume it's more likely? Whose fault is it if they operate on that totally reasonable assumption? Theirs? Or the larger group of people committing a disproportionate amount of crime causing those assumptions to exist in the first place?

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Are they more likely to commit crimes or are they just policed more? If I was a cop I could go to Seven Lakes high school and make a felony arrest for pills or whatever within 5 minutes of the end of school bell, they just choose not to.

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No chance you are making those arrests at North Shore[/roll eyes]

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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Think about this statement for a second. Do you actually believe that?Think of a guy in the heat of the moment, with 2 guns drawn on him. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Do you actually think he was consciously thinking "let me RISK MY OWN LIFE and maybe this will go viral and I'll get a big ass settlement from this"

Cmon, man.

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Ohhhh, so NOW we should consider how people behave "in the heat of the moment" when their lives are possibly at stake? Yeah...ok.

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So it works one way, but not the other?

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Huh? Who are you talking to?

It is mind boggling to me that people can sit here and defend bull**** like this.

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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LOL, stop race baiting. Now do Daniel Shaver. You really think black men are the only ones who should be afraid of making sudden movements in front of cops with guns drawn?

Cops have a blacked out SUV with no rear license plate. They pursue the vehicle for over a minute and a half before he finally complies and pulls over. If you were one of the cops, what would you think at this point. I doubt they have any idea what race this person is at this point.

When he did not pull over once the cops hit the lights and sirens, it became a felony. Cops get killed nearly everyday in this country making traffic stops. He should have complied and he would have been released with a ticket and not been injured. The longer he chose not to comply, the worse it got for him.

The cop taking the video has no business being a cop either.

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If lack of plates was broadly and equally enforced he wouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

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What evidence do you have that it is not?

This is so weird. You're advocating both for the cops to ignore no license plates, while at the same time, decrying the fact that they don't stop enough people for no license plates.

Economics is not your only fail area, Two Teas.

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I drove around without any plate for four months after Mr. Carwash ate it and I was too busy/lazy to get my car registered. I was never stopped, probably had something to do with the color of my skin.

If everyone with no plate or a fake plate was pulled over people would actually stop doing it. Instead most people are ignored except in situations like this where it can be used for a pretextual stop hoping for a felony arrest.

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Sounds like you have a healthy disregard for law and order ...btw how does a carwash eat a plate

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What's more, how does a car wash not register and insure a vehicle for months?

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If lack of plates was broadly and equally enforced he wouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

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So your complaint is that police don't pull people over often enough? Any stats for that claim, further?

Maybe police by shift should have a quota by race for citations/warnings?

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He also said that you should be charged with murder if [strikeout]someone[/strikeout] your child steals your gun and uses that stolen property to kill someone. Seems logical.

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fify, and unfortunately it looks like we will have a thread incoming in this

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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Think about this statement for a second. Do you actually believe that? Think of a guy in the heat of the moment, with 2 guns drawn on him. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Do you actually think he was consciously thinking "let me RISK MY OWN LIFE and maybe this will go viral and I'll get a big ass settlement from this"

Cmon, man.

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He failed to comply with orders from the beginning (kept driving, wouldn't get out, wouldn't answer how many people in the car) and made sure he was recording the whole thing. Guns were quickly put away and replaced with tazers and he still wouldn't follow easy commands. He was only interested in getting a reaction to get a white cop fired and a payday. Looks like he will succeed in main part due to people like yourself.

And yes, I have been drawn down on before and following directions became of utmost importance, not setting up my phone.

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Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

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Is that why, instead of verbally responding to the officers, he mumbled "What's goin' on" about a dozen times, refused to stick his hands out, fought them when they opened the door?

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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LOL, stop race baiting. Now do Daniel Shaver. You really think black men are the only ones who should be afraid of making sudden movements in front of cops with guns drawn?

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Actually, Daniel Shaver is another great example. That whole situation was absolutely egregious and infuriating on so many levels. Yes, it happens to white people too. Bottom line is unhinged, trigger happy cops are dangerous and SHOULD NOT BE COPS!!! There is plenty of a reason to be nervous in that situation!

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It is mind boggling to me that people can sit here and defend bull**** like this.

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I know. That army guy is certainly no asset to the country.

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Sounds like you have a healthy disregard for law and order ...btw how does a carwash eat a plate

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Maybe, but I know that cops pretty much only enforce plates if they are looking for something else so I'm fine. and It's made out of paper and there is water and the big brush things cleaning the car....

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It is mind boggling to me that people can sit here and defend bull**** like this.

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I know. That army guy is certainly no asset to the country.

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And the cops are great guys who deserve a raise!

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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Think about this statement for a second. Do you actually believe that? Think of a guy in the heat of the moment, with 2 guns drawn on him. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Do you actually think he was consciously thinking "let me RISK MY OWN LIFE and maybe this will go viral and I'll get a big ass settlement from this"

Cmon, man.

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He failed to comply with orders from the beginning (kept driving, wouldn't get out, wouldn't answer how many people in the car) and made sure he was recording the whole thing. Guns were quickly put away and replaced with tazers and he still wouldn't follow easy commands. He was only interested in getting a reaction to get a white cop fired and a payday. Looks like he will succeed in main part due to people like yourself.

And yes, I have been drawn down on before and following directions became of utmost importance, not setting up my phone.

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He should have kept driving until he found a well lit place.

Why is that a bad thing when all cops wear cameras that never, ever, ever, break or malfunction?

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It is mind boggling to me that people can sit here and defend bull**** like this.

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It really is. It's really not that hard to just say the cop was in the wrong. It doesnt mean you think all cops are bad. It means you think this one in particular is bad.

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If lack of plates was broadly and equally enforced he wouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

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So your complaint is that police don't pull people over often enough? Any stats for that claim, further?

Maybe police by shift should have a quota by race for citations/warnings?

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Yes, the law should be enforced all the time and not just saved for when they want to pull someone over and try to catch them for something else, which seems to be the case driving around Houston and Texas.

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It is mind boggling to me that people can sit here and defend bull**** like this.

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It really is. It's really not that hard to just say the cop was in the wrong. It doesnt mean you think all cops are bad. It means you think this one in particular is bad.

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Exactly. I am generally pretty pro-cop, but people will go to the furthest extent to defend every single shooting, negative interaction, etc. it blows me away.

I am convinced some people on this board could watch a cop slap their mom in the face and think to themselves, "she had it comin".

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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LOL, stop race baiting. Now do Daniel Shaver. You really think black men are the only ones who should be afraid of making sudden movements in front of cops with guns drawn?

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Actually, Daniel Shaver is another great example. That whole situation was absolutely egregious and infuriating on so many levels. Yes, it happens to white people too. Bottom line is unhinged, trigger happy cops are dangerous and SHOULD NOT BE COPS!!! There is plenty of a reason to be nervous in that situation!

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And no one ever claimed they should be. Yet you think it's perfectly fine for people to not follow lawful orders by the police and they should just remain calm and keep talking to them like small children. It's not difficult to keep from getting shot by the cops. This guy ran from the cops and wouldn't answer questions or obey orders and all he got was some pepper spray.

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It is mind boggling to me that people can sit here and defend bull**** like this.

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I know. That army guy is certainly no asset to the country.

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And the cops are great guys who deserve a raise!

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Nope. But they don't deserve to lose their jobs over some ******* who drives a few miles with lights and sirens goings and then can't answer questions or follow simply commands.

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Cops have a blacked out SUV with no rear license plate. They pursue the vehicle for over a minute and a half before he finally complies and pulls over. If you were one of the cops, what would you think at this point. I doubt they have any idea what race this person is at this point.

When he did not pull over once the cops hit the lights and sirens, it became a felony. Cops get killed nearly everyday in this country making traffic stops. He should have complied and he would have been released with a ticket and not been injured. The longer he chose not to comply, the worse it got for him.

The cop taking the video has no business being a cop either.

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When he put on his hazards and slowed down, it's a pretty good assumption he's looking for a safe place to pull over. At night? Maybe even a well lit place. Oh look... That's what he did.


Cops do not get killed daily in traffic stops or even nearly every day. 6 cops were feloniously killed in traffic stops in 2019, nationwide. 2020 data isn't out yet, but it's probably not much different.

You know what kills more cops? Cars. 16 cops died in traffic accidents in 2019. That's how we got the slow down or pull over laws in Texas. You know what keeps officers safe from cars? Not pulling over immediately and finding a safe place off the road.

But sure, next time you get pulled over, do it immediately on the side of the road so that cop has a better chance of getting splattered by a rubber necker. I'm sure he'll really appreciate the quick compliance and disregard for his safety.

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cevans_40 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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cevans_40 said:

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larry culpepper said:

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I notice a lot of people are saying "he shoulda just complied and there woulda been no issue." Even if they are correct, they are speaking from the perspective of a white person in that situation. The guy seemed legitimately scared to move or unbuckle his seatbelt because he's a black dude and there's an unhinged nut of a cop pointing a gun and yelling at him.

Keep in mind Philando Castile barely moved his arm and he got lit up like swiss cheese because a nervous, trigger happy cop freaked. This lieutenant was probably thinking of something like that if he reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt.

Hope the cop gets nailed in the lawsuit. I do feel a little bad for the younger cop, who seemed nervous as hell and got caught up in a crappy situation.

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You are trying way too hard. He was never scared. Just said he was on film to increase the chances of getting a good payday.

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Think about this statement for a second. Do you actually believe that? Think of a guy in the heat of the moment, with 2 guns drawn on him. Have you ever had a gun pointed at you? Do you actually think he was consciously thinking "let me RISK MY OWN LIFE and maybe this will go viral and I'll get a big ass settlement from this"

Cmon, man.

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He failed to comply with orders from the beginning (kept driving, wouldn't get out, wouldn't answer how many people in the car) and made sure he was recording the whole thing. Guns were quickly put away and replaced with tazers and he still wouldn't follow easy commands. He was only interested in getting a reaction to get a white cop fired and a payday. Looks like he will succeed in main part due to people like yourself.

And yes, I have been drawn down on before and following directions became of utmost importance, not setting up my phone.

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He should have kept driving until he found a well lit place.

Why is that a bad thing when all cops wear cameras that never, ever, ever, break or malfunction?

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It's already been proven he passed several well lit places and last I checked most/all cop cars have these really bright things on top of them called lights.

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Sounds like you have a healthy disregard for law and order ...btw how does a carwash eat a plate

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Maybe, but I know that cops pretty much only enforce plates if they are looking for something else so I'm fine. and It's made out of paper and there is water and the big brush things cleaning the car....

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Your license plates were made out of paper ? Might you be referring to dealer tags? They are made out of paper.
And cops pretty much write citations for expired tags, no tags, carwash chewed plates...on a regular basis.

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Saint Pablo said:

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It is mind boggling to me that people can sit here and defend bull**** like this.

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I know. That army guy is certainly no asset to the country.

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And the cops are great guys who deserve a raise!

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Plenty of blame to go around. This is/was not the one way street the cop bashers on here would like it to be.