It looks bad, but need bsckstory.

I also don't trust your judgment at all, OP. So definitely need lots more info.

Amazing - the suspect is the one trying to deescalate the situation and the cops are the ones who keep ramping it back up.

So many cops just work themselves up into a lather and then make poor choices.

EDIT: and yeah, this is just one section of the story - need to se the whole thing. But the cops have lost their composure by this point.

wbt5845 said:

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Amazing - the suspect is the one trying to deescalate the situation and the cops are teh ones who keep ramping it back up.

So many cops just work themselves up into a lather and then make poor choices.

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"I'm honestly afraid to get out"
"You should be"

Obviously not a serious issue if they let him go at the end. Guess they were just following orders.

Cassius said:

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It looks bad, but need bsckstory.

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Um. He's released with no charges...not really a backstory there.

Full bodycam footage. Surely these brave officers were just worried for their lives and that's why they acted this way.

Ok, so all we know really is that the lieutenant (LOL, probably lost) was refusing lawful orders to step out of the vehicle?

Nevermind - didn't see the longer clip

Cassius said:

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I also don't trust your judgment at all, OP. So definitely need lots more info.

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This. OP is agenda driven. wasted thread.

Cassius said:

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I also don't trust your judgment at all, OP. So definitely need lots more info.

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lol

Some cops are butts, some Lts are butts. What else you got OP?

OP can I get you a broader brush to paint with?

nortex97 said:

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Ok, so all we know really is that the lieutenant (LOL, probably lost) was refusing lawful orders to step out of the vehicle?

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"Refusing lawful orders" is power-trip cop ***** Did they have probable cause or not is all that matters. I'll reserve judgement until I know more.

The cop should be fired, regardless. He's an idiot.

"You're about to ride the lightning, son"

"Yea, well I'm a veteran also and I learned to obey orders"

"You were stopped for a traffic violation and now you're about to be arrested... you're being detained for obstruction of justice"

Wait, what? It was a traffic stop and they came with guns drawn?


Lots of questions still for what caused the stop, vomit on the surface this looks like like an ******* cop, who claims to be a veteran and has a complete power trip.

That cop needs to be fired. That was completely unnecessary.

Apparently he was pulled over because they thought he didn't have a rear plate (he did)

And he drove an extra mile to a well lit gas station before pulling over.

I think the cops seriously messed up here and were complete a-holes in the way they handled this unless there is more to the story.

I would like to see the Army Lieutenant's driving behavior before deciding on this. He seems to be looking for attention here, definitely a victim personality on display.

Notice the Lieutenant closes the door with his elbow on the officer after he opens it through the window, which resulted in the pepper spray.

Also, the Police Officers seemed extra amped, not sure what they were looking for, but perhaps there is more to this than what's being reported.

That doesn't make OP right though.

This situation is just weird. There has to be more to the story:

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Windsor Police Officer Daniel Crocker radioed he was attempting to stop a vehicle with no rear license plate and tinted windows. He said the driver was "eluding police" and he considered it a "high-risk traffic stop," according to a report he submitted afterward and which was included in the court filing.

Arthur said Nazario explained at the time that he wasn't trying to elude the officer, but was trying to stop in a well-lit area "for officer safety and out of respect for the officers."


Another officer, Joe Gutierrez, was driving by when he heard Crocker's call, saw him attempting to stop the SUV and decided to join the traffic stop. Gutierrez acknowledged that Nazario's decision to drive to a lighted area happens to him "a lot, and 80% of the time, it's a minority," Arthur said, quoting the officer.

The lawsuit says by the time the two officers reached Nazario's SUV, the license plate was visible in the rear.

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https://abc30.com/virgina-police-pepper-spray-army-lieutenant-caron-nazario-video-black-at-gunpoint-arrested-virginia/10504779/

The way the cop that pepper sprayed was behaving with conflicting orders and threats remind me of Philip Brailsford before he executed Daniel Shaver.

All Lts are butts until broken by the men. Fact.

WaltonAg18 said:

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Full bodycam footage. Surely these brave officers were just worried for their lives and that's why they acted this way.

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Yours is an ignorant take. If you are in a public space and an officer of the law asks you to do something reasonable, like get out of your car, comply quickly and there will be no problem.

This problem was created by scumbag criminals who may try to kill the police officer that may discover they are a criminal in the process of performing a criminal act. The police officer has an indication they have stopped a scumbag criminal when the scumbag criminal won't quickly comply with the police officers request. Therefore if you don't want to put the peace officer on a footing where he thinks you are a scumbag criminal and is now more concerned for his life you should quickly comply with the police officers command.

nortex97 said:

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Ok, so all we know really is that the lieutenant (LOL, probably lost) was refusing lawful orders to step out of the vehicle?

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Considering how much of a hotheaded lunatic the first cop was, I too would be terrified to unbuckle my seatbelt and then get lit up with bullets under the guise of "I thought he was reaching for a weapon."

And the Lt even said he was afraid and the cop was like "yeah you should be." What a power hungry psychopath. Needs to be fired yesterday.

Exactly. I find it hard to consider someone a victim when they are actively closing the door on an officer. The lead up to it seems justifiable if that behavior is anything like how he was driving prior to.

There is more to this.

You need to comply LT. If a cop feels threatened, this is what you get.

third coast.. said:

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He was second cop actually. Body cam cop was mad his authority was being challenged. First cop wanted to be reasonable. Body cam cop could have handled it better certainly, but again, this was initiated as a felony stop, for whatever reason.

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Not for whatever reason. It was initiated because the first cop thought the car didn't have a license plate and because the windows were apparently tinted too darkly. They considered it potentially dangerous because the Lt "eluded" them by driving an extra distance to the gas station.

third coast.. said:

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He was second cop actually. Body cam cop was mad his authority was being challenged. First cop wanted to be reasonable. Body cam cop could have handled it better certainly, but again, this was initiated as a felony stop, for whatever reason.

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Window tinting and temp tags are felony offenses now?

Noted.

This is what happens when the media makes people afraid to comply with the police.

"I am afraid to get out of the car".

Lieutenant should have called the police and let the dispatcher know he was being pulled over and that he was going to do so but he wanted to do so in a well lit area and stayed on the phone with dispatch while he drives.

That solves the problem 1.

Problem 2 with existing the vehicle. Just get out.

Cops should have done better here but the guy should have gotten out.

And it's the media's fault he is unnecessarily afraid.

Gonna get a pay day for the pepper spray though.

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third coast.. said:

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He was second cop actually. Body cam cop was mad his authority was being challenged. First cop wanted to be reasonable. Body cam cop could have handled it better certainly, but again, this was initiated as a felony stop, for whatever reason.

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Not for whatever reason. It was initiated because the first cop thought the car didn't have a license plate and because the windows were apparently tinted too darkly. They considered it potentially dangerous because the Lt "eluded" them by driving an extra distance to the gas station.

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I don't know this for a fact, but he could have driven to the gas station because it was a well lit area.

This doesn't excuse body cam cop's behavior.

wbt5845 said:

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Amazing - the suspect is the one trying to deescalate the situation and the cops are the ones who keep ramping it back up.

So many cops just work themselves up into a lather and then make poor choices.

EDIT: and yeah, this is just one section of the story - need to se the whole thing. But the cops have lost their composure by this point.

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Yep

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nortex97 said:

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Ok, so all we know really is that the lieutenant (LOL, probably lost) was refusing lawful orders to step out of the vehicle?

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Considering how much of a hotheaded lunatic the first cop was, I too would be terrified to unbuckle my seatbelt and then get lit up with bullets under the guise of "I thought he was reaching for a weapon."

And the Lt even said he was afraid and the cop was like "yeah you should be." What a power hungry psychopath. Needs to be fired yesterday.

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Tend to agree. OOH, Do what you're told and respect authority. OTOH, use authority to establish control, not lose it.

This officer should be working as security at a landfill.