*****State of MN v. Derek Chauvin Trial*****

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I always wondered why they kept Floyd down for so damn long.

From this video, as soon as the ambulance arrived and the stretcher was ready, they got him on it. In other words, they seemed to be holding him down until medical care arrived.

It still looks really damn brutal and unnecessary.
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aggiehawg said:

Thanks. See the firefighter EMT is up. Any body catch how long she's been a firefighter? There is usually much respect between them and cops.
1 year
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Good Poster said:

aggiehawg said:

Thanks. See the firefighter EMT is up. Any body catch how long she's been a firefighter? There is usually much respect between then and cops.
2 years. She was a little over the 1 year mark at time of incident.
Aahh. That explains her confrontational tone then. She hasn't been schooled yet in professional courtesy.
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Her "opinion" on official police policy should be irrelevant here.
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He had an altered state of consciousness.
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She noticed that he needed medical attention?

The EMTs had already been called. The ambulance was already on the way.
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Jbob04 said:

NPH- said:

aggiehawg said:

Oxygen deprivation also happens when someone has 3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl and meth in their system.
I'm sure a knee to the neck and majority of someone's body weight doesn't help the situation either.

I thought it was already stated by the examiner that the knee to the neck didn't cause his death?
I mean...if somebody has a lethal dose of drugs in them I don't think there's much a cop could do that WOULD help the situation.

The dude had a knee on his neck because he was being violent and combative while in the back of the police car. He died because he overdosed on drugs.
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The question is why he had, if he did have, an altered state of consciousness. Was the witness' speculation correct?
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She doesn't remember whether Floyd was still talking or not?
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NPH- said:

real quick BourbonAg, whats a good cheap bourbon that I can go grab at the liquor store that will surprise me?
Buffalo Trace, if you can find it.
It's not the severity of the punishment that deters crime; it's the certainty of it.
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She said she doesn't know where Chauvin's right leg was.
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waitwhat? said:

Having now read the report I'm going to walk this back. The report says what was in his system and that "deaths have been certified at 3 [for fentanyl]." It doesn't explain the scale that shows 11 being certain death relative to 3, and the handwritten portion also says that IF he were discovered at home with no other factors then it would be appropriate to classify it as OD..


Of the seven studies I've read on Fentanyl blood levels, only three had information on antemortem blood level. Most research appears to be on individuals who overdose and pass away.

One out of New Haven, CT was concerning a cluster of overdoses from a batch of fentanyl. Three individuals died with levels of 9.5, 11, and 13. The dozen or so individuals who survived all had levels below 4.

One report was out of the University of Florida and it had had media level of around 5 ng/L.

One report was out of Cuyahoga County and concerned individuals with DUI's who tested positive. They had two sets of data. One was a sample of 7 and consisted of individuals who only tested positive for fentanyl and one was a sample of 6 for individuals who tested positive for fentanyl and other drugs. One group had a median level of 4 ng/L and the other had a median of 8.5, but that one had a guy test 25.2 that seemed to skew the results.

There were studies that postmortem levels test at higher concentration levels than antemortem levels. Couldn't really get a feel for how much higher because the info ranged from ~10% to ~100% higher and the sample sizes seemed pretty small, but there is a consensus on the postmortem levels being higher.

The other studies were on postmortem levels. The Cuyahoga County, University of Florida, and New Haven studies as well as studies on overdose data out of Los Angeles and San Diego indicated median lethal doses ranging from 8.5-11 depending on the location of the draw.

That's all to say that Floyd's antemortem fentanyl level was over 2x the central tendency of the antemortem studies and New Haven survivors and around 15% above the central tendency of the median lethal doses of the postmortem studies.
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Sounds like she has some conflicting memories through the depositions.
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How the hell does she have any idea how much of Chauvin's weight was applied? Or if he was comfortble.
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She said that Chauvin looked "comfortable". Can you look comfortable if you are digging your leg into someone? (As has been coached to the other witnesses to say)
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This rookie assessed his medical condition from 10 feet away and would have done everything differently.

This testimony is kind of ticking me off.

She didn't see anything that led up to this and couldn't possibly know why his "face was puffy".
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I don't understand how a witness testifying about the "cold look" on the officer's face is relevant at all. Especially when the entire thing is on video.

First of all, it's purely opinion. Second of all, it's completely immaterial.
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You were off duty and they didn't know who you were. They shouldn't have let her anywhere near the scene.
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BadMoonRisin said:

NPH- said:

real quick BourbonAg, whats a good cheap bourbon that I can go grab at the liquor store that will surprise me?
Buffalo Trace, if you can find it.
More specifically, Eagle Rare. Its usually about $25, so if you find it on the shelf, grab all of it.
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She wanted to call 911????

The ambulance was on the way. They called a long time before she was even there.
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Lot's of speculation here.
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I respect her as a "trained" EMT, but this girl is very dumb.
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"How did that make you feel?"

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Nelson sits on his hands way too much.
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how did that make you feel?
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Good Poster said:

I respect her as a "trained" EMT, but this girl is very dumb.
She's young and inexperienced.
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FriscoKid said:

She wanted to call 911????

The ambulance was on the way. They called a long time before she was even there.
Exactly. So she would have just called 911?

How did that make you feel? Really? She's crying?
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Good Poster said:

"How did that make you feel?"


This is powerful testimony. Some people may not be impressed, but human emotion moves other humans.

Getting tears from her is exactly what the prosecutor wanted.
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"In my memory" is a way of really saying, "I wish I had"
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I think allowing her to get emotional shows she may not make the best decisions under duress. I think it best for defense to not interrupt.
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FriscoKid said:

Good Poster said:

I respect her as a "trained" EMT, but this girl is very dumb.
She's young and inexperienced.
Yeah if that scene rattled her so much what would happen if she comes upon a crispy critter (burn victim) or a floater (drown victim in the water a long time.)

Did she ever ask if 911 had been called? Why didn't she call 911 herself?
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Fightin TX Aggie said:

Good Poster said:

"How did that make you feel?"


This is powerful testimony. Some people may not be impressed, but human emotion moves other humans.

Getting tears from her is exactly what the prosecutor wanted.
Might just get her fired as well.
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Fightin TX Aggie said:

Good Poster said:

"How did that make you feel?"


This is powerful testimony. Some people may not be impressed, but human emotion moves other humans.

Getting tears from her is exactly what the prosecutor wanted.
I could see that.

You had a trained medical person that works for the city there at the scene and those racist cops wouldn't let her near him so that she could help.

The details be damned, but I could see that as a powerful point they will try to make.
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aggiehawg said:

FriscoKid said:

Good Poster said:

I respect her as a "trained" EMT, but this girl is very dumb.
She's young and inexperienced.
Yeah if that scene rattled her so much what would happen if she comes upon a crispy critter (burn victim) or a floater (drown victim in the water a long time.)

Did she ever ask if 911 had been called? Why didn't she call 911 herself?
They opened with her 911 call before she took the stand.

She was cursing and screaming at dispatch on the 911 call. Very similar behavior to what she did in the videos.
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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

Nelson sits on his hands way too much.
probably just being conservative about objecting. It can look bad if an attorney is objecting all the time.
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