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But those guys will get $600 and $15/hr now!
I'm sorry.
Definitely an America Last initiative going on starting day 1. Keystone cancelled, border wall stopped, Paris accord rejoined. America sending a message that we don't want jobs, we want to depend on others for energy, and we want to give our money to the world while hurting ourselves.
Back to $4 dollar gas and losing our energy independence
I didn't hear that drilling was stopped quite yet.
NO AMNESTY!
in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
The article conflates shale w keystone. Isn't keystone sole purpose to move Canadian tar-sand oil?
Edit- just read on wiki that it picks up some Bakken in Montana...but I'm guessing it's mostly going to be dilbit...and I'm still guessing the reporter didn't even do that much research . Eitherway, there's a political target back on O&G.
Edit- just read on wiki that it picks up some Bakken in Montana...but I'm guessing it's mostly going to be dilbit...and I'm still guessing the reporter didn't even do that much research . Eitherway, there's a political target back on O&G.
It was supposed to move heavy crude out of Alberta to refineries that can handle it without massively retooling, displacing heavy crude from less friendly places. Alberta is constrained for liquids export capacity, primarily due to growth in oil sands production.Chetos said:
The article conflates shale w keystone. Isn't keystone sole purpose to move Canadian tar-sand oil?
Edit- just read on wiki that it picks up some Bakken in Montana...but I'm guessing it's mostly going to be dilbit...and I'm still guessing the reporter didn't even do that much research . Eitherway, there's a political target back on O&G.
Shale/fracking/subsurface tech has increased production so much domestically that people aren't taking new infrastructure seriously. People don't appreciate how cheap oil and gas are now, and are willing to give up future options because they don't see an upside to them. We don't have to sweat gasoline prices tripling because some nutter invaded his neighbors anymore.
We're a couple of badly timed outages on top of a big winter storm away from having major issues in certain regions. I'm afraid that is what it will take for people to see the value in having reliable energy infrastructure.
The anti-fossil fuel lobby has done a great job with their messaging, giving people some reason to feel like they are morally righteous for opposing carbon dioxide while slowly taking away the entire world's standard of living and putting the proceeds directly into their greenwashed pockets. Look at Elon Musk. Richest guy in the world depending on the day. His regulatory credit revenue exceeds his net income (when he manages to not have a net loss) selling products that the end user gets a tax credit for buying. Every wind and solar developer is doing the same thing, only worse.
When they cry "crisis" and then put in place 30 year plans to "solve" it, (1) it was never a crisis to begin with and (2) watch the plan as it morphs into an ecosystem of grifters that leech value out of whatever actual productive pursuits are allowed to remain as deadlines are pushed back and standards are revised.
Oil flowing through Buffett's rails.= money flowing to the left. That's all the logic / math that Dems need.
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chimpanzee said:It was supposed to move heavy crude out of Alberta to refineries that can handle it without massively retooling, displacing heavy crude from less friendly places. Alberta is constrained for liquids export capacity, primarily due to growth in oil sands production.Chetos said:
The article conflates shale w keystone. Isn't keystone sole purpose to move Canadian tar-sand oil?
Edit- just read on wiki that it picks up some Bakken in Montana...but I'm guessing it's mostly going to be dilbit...and I'm still guessing the reporter didn't even do that much research . Eitherway, there's a political target back on O&G.
Shale/fracking/subsurface tech has increased production so much domestically that people aren't taking new infrastructure seriously. People don't appreciate how cheap oil and gas are now, and are willing to give up future options because they don't see an upside to them. We don't have to sweat gasoline prices tripling because some nutter invaded his neighbors anymore.
We're a couple of badly timed outages on top of a big winter storm away from having major issues in certain regions. I'm afraid that is what it will take for people to see the value in having reliable energy infrastructure.
The anti-fossil fuel lobby has done a great job with their messaging, giving people some reason to feel like they are morally righteous for opposing carbon dioxide while slowly taking away the entire world's standard of living and putting the proceeds directly into their greenwashed pockets. Look at Elon Musk. Richest guy in the world depending on the day. His regulatory credit revenue exceeds his net income (when he manages to not have a net loss) selling products that the end user gets a tax credit for buying. Every wind and solar developer is doing the same thing, only worse.
When they cry "crisis" and then put in place 30 year plans to "solve" it, (1) it was never a crisis to begin with and (2) watch the plan as it morphs into an ecosystem of grifters that leech value out of whatever actual productive pursuits are allowed to remain as deadlines are pushed back and standards are revised.
How many of y'all did it take to type in that eloquent and well thought out message?
Seriously. Very good post.
Crapping on the poor for a climate change utopia. Who cares if energy skyrockets? We have a clean* environment
*not really but we like to FEEL like we do
*not really but we like to FEEL like we do
Four dollar gas will be an impossible dream for middle class Californians who have to drive 50 miles to and from work everyday.BurnetAggie99 said:
Back to $4 dollar gas and losing our energy independence
But the democrats are the party who care more about the middle class
Keystone was a pipeline w no funcional reason to be built plus it was a Canadian oil sands play - it was BAD for TX and US producers.
Dakota Access is the big one. If they kill DA, the Bakken is straight ****ed.
Dakota Access is the big one. If they kill DA, the Bakken is straight ****ed.
Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:chimpanzee said:It was supposed to move heavy crude out of Alberta to refineries that can handle it without massively retooling, displacing heavy crude from less friendly places. Alberta is constrained for liquids export capacity, primarily due to growth in oil sands production.Chetos said:
The article conflates shale w keystone. Isn't keystone sole purpose to move Canadian tar-sand oil?
Edit- just read on wiki that it picks up some Bakken in Montana...but I'm guessing it's mostly going to be dilbit...and I'm still guessing the reporter didn't even do that much research . Eitherway, there's a political target back on O&G.
Shale/fracking/subsurface tech has increased production so much domestically that people aren't taking new infrastructure seriously. People don't appreciate how cheap oil and gas are now, and are willing to give up future options because they don't see an upside to them. We don't have to sweat gasoline prices tripling because some nutter invaded his neighbors anymore.
We're a couple of badly timed outages on top of a big winter storm away from having major issues in certain regions. I'm afraid that is what it will take for people to see the value in having reliable energy infrastructure.
The anti-fossil fuel lobby has done a great job with their messaging, giving people some reason to feel like they are morally righteous for opposing carbon dioxide while slowly taking away the entire world's standard of living and putting the proceeds directly into their greenwashed pockets. Look at Elon Musk. Richest guy in the world depending on the day. His regulatory credit revenue exceeds his net income (when he manages to not have a net loss) selling products that the end user gets a tax credit for buying. Every wind and solar developer is doing the same thing, only worse.
When they cry "crisis" and then put in place 30 year plans to "solve" it, (1) it was never a crisis to begin with and (2) watch the plan as it morphs into an ecosystem of grifters that leech value out of whatever actual productive pursuits are allowed to remain as deadlines are pushed back and standards are revised.
How many of y'all did it take to type in that eloquent and well thought out message?
Seriously. Very good post.
All I can say is, I'm glad we don't have to swap out typewriter ribbon anymore.
It's okay guys. With $15 mandatory minimum wage, everyone will be rich beyond their wildest dreams. Sure, someone may lose their job and benefits and have to drive further away on $4 gas, making it literally not worth working in the first place, but then we'l be just giving them free money to purchase higher priced products.
Yay America!
Yay America!
JustPanda said:
Keystone was a pipeline w no funcional reason to be built plus it was a Canadian oil sands play - it was BAD for TX and US producers.
Dakota Access is the big one. If they kill DA, the Bakken is straight ****ed.
Was it bad for the refineries?
Why is anyone surprised? He said as much during the second Presidential debate.Chetos said:
there's a political target back on O&G.
Avoid the rush.
Start hating Socialism now.
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Govt will have the krap sued out of them. No due process or legal reason to cancel the permit. Very 3rd world look
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Chimpanzee is probably top 3 posters on this entire website.
Thanks, it's a teamwork thing over here...
I will not be unemployed b/c of KXL, but many of my employees will. These employees were never going to work on KXL direct, but they supported the union that would.
It was full union job so not much U/E will come of it as these potential workers were likely already out of work due to permitting and other gov't issues - other union jobs with issues and much higher manpower needs are Mountain Valley Pipeline and the completely dead Atlantic Coast Pipeline.
Best part of these things being stopped is that the teamsters at the pipelineing unions 798, 112, etc all told their tradesmen/women to vote for Biden. Like poetry in motion.
The worse part of KXL being stopped is not the missed job opportunities, but the local towns that will now see no growth in wealth...and will fall into the meth trap. It is a tale as old as the Big Inch and Little Inch pipeline. Pipeline jobs have several 1000 workers in small stretches of the map for months and years.
It was full union job so not much U/E will come of it as these potential workers were likely already out of work due to permitting and other gov't issues - other union jobs with issues and much higher manpower needs are Mountain Valley Pipeline and the completely dead Atlantic Coast Pipeline.
Best part of these things being stopped is that the teamsters at the pipelineing unions 798, 112, etc all told their tradesmen/women to vote for Biden. Like poetry in motion.
The worse part of KXL being stopped is not the missed job opportunities, but the local towns that will now see no growth in wealth...and will fall into the meth trap. It is a tale as old as the Big Inch and Little Inch pipeline. Pipeline jobs have several 1000 workers in small stretches of the map for months and years.
Well said and on point. The Democratic Party leadership have an agenda and it isn't to benefit the USA. They will be lining their pockets with this corrupt behavior.chimpanzee said:It was supposed to move heavy crude out of Alberta to refineries that can handle it without massively retooling, displacing heavy crude from less friendly places. Alberta is constrained for liquids export capacity, primarily due to growth in oil sands production.Chetos said:
The article conflates shale w keystone. Isn't keystone sole purpose to move Canadian tar-sand oil?
Edit- just read on wiki that it picks up some Bakken in Montana...but I'm guessing it's mostly going to be dilbit...and I'm still guessing the reporter didn't even do that much research . Eitherway, there's a political target back on O&G.
Shale/fracking/subsurface tech has increased production so much domestically that people aren't taking new infrastructure seriously. People don't appreciate how cheap oil and gas are now, and are willing to give up future options because they don't see an upside to them. We don't have to sweat gasoline prices tripling because some nutter invaded his neighbors anymore.
We're a couple of badly timed outages on top of a big winter storm away from having major issues in certain regions. I'm afraid that is what it will take for people to see the value in having reliable energy infrastructure.
The anti-fossil fuel lobby has done a great job with their messaging, giving people some reason to feel like they are morally righteous for opposing carbon dioxide while slowly taking away the entire world's standard of living and putting the proceeds directly into their greenwashed pockets. Look at Elon Musk. Richest guy in the world depending on the day. His regulatory credit revenue exceeds his net income (when he manages to not have a net loss) selling products that the end user gets a tax credit for buying. Every wind and solar developer is doing the same thing, only worse.
When they cry "crisis" and then put in place 30 year plans to "solve" it, (1) it was never a crisis to begin with and (2) watch the plan as it morphs into an ecosystem of grifters that leech value out of whatever actual productive pursuits are allowed to remain as deadlines are pushed back and standards are revised.
We'll see.Fightin_Aggie said:
Govt will have the krap sued out of them. No due process or legal reason to cancel the permit. Very 3rd world look
add illegals flooding in and H1Bs, UE gonna get real high for citizens...
buckle up!
Hopefully lots of libs end up on skid row because of China Joe!
Learn to code you construction workers! Its easy as shoveling coal /Dementia Joe
buckle up!
Hopefully lots of libs end up on skid row because of China Joe!
Learn to code you construction workers! Its easy as shoveling coal /Dementia Joe
"Four dollar gas" is FIVE dollar gas in California.Sid Farkas said:Four dollar gas will be an impossible dream for middle class Californians who have to drive 50 miles to and from work everyday.BurnetAggie99 said:
Back to $4 dollar gas and losing our energy independence
But the democrats are the party who care more about the middle class
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!
Muy said:
It's okay guys. With $15 mandatory minimum wage, everyone will be rich beyond their wildest dreams. Sure, someone may lose their job and benefits and have to drive further away on $4 gas, making it literally not worth working in the first place, but then we'l be just giving them free money to purchase higher priced products.
Yay America!
I remember this exact same argument from my roomate when the federal min wage was raised to $5.15 in 1996. Is that you Brian? Funny. It didn't happen 24 years ago, and its not gonna happen now. But good try.
Gig This Ags!
Bakken? Big part of that is in PA, right?JustPanda said:
Keystone was a pipeline w no funcional reason to be built plus it was a Canadian oil sands play - it was BAD for TX and US producers.
Dakota Access is the big one. If they kill DA, the Bakken is straight ****ed.
F 'em. That's what you voted for, geniuses.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!
Bakken is North Dakota
Marcellus is Penn
Marcellus is Penn
You're right. Hopefully DA doesn't get axes, then, but with Beijing Joe's pen and phone, I am not too hopeful. I can't think of a good reason to nix KXL, either.oh no said:
Bakken is North Dakota
Marcellus is Penn
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!
JustPanda said:
Keystone was a pipeline w no funcional reason to be built plus it was a Canadian oil sands play - it was BAD for TX and US producers.
Dakota Access is the big one. If they kill DA, the Bakken is straight ****ed.
Companies don't build pipelines for no functional reason. That's just dumb. That oil is getting refined anyway by China. If it's getting refined anyway, how does refining it somewhere else hurt producers?! It just takes lot more energy to do it in CHina. Texas refineries would have been processing it, which means more jobs, deliveries, commerce, etc.. in Texas.
...not to mention cleaner refining under US environmental laws. I shudder to think about the pollution and effluent from a Chinese refinery.Cassius said:JustPanda said:
Keystone was a pipeline w no funcional reason to be built plus it was a Canadian oil sands play - it was BAD for TX and US producers.
Dakota Access is the big one. If they kill DA, the Bakken is straight ****ed.
Companies don't build pipelines for no functional reason. That's just dumb. That oil is getting refined anyway by China. It its getting refined anyway, how does refining it somewhere else hurt producers?! It just takes lot more energy to do that. Texas refineries would have been processing it, which means more jobs, deliveries, commerce, etc.. in Texas.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!
WHOOP!'91 said:...not to mention cleaner refining under US environmental laws. I shudder to think about the pollution and effluent from a Chinese refinery.Cassius said:JustPanda said:
Keystone was a pipeline w no funcional reason to be built plus it was a Canadian oil sands play - it was BAD for TX and US producers.
Dakota Access is the big one. If they kill DA, the Bakken is straight ****ed.
Companies don't build pipelines for no functional reason. That's just dumb. That oil is getting refined anyway by China. It its getting refined anyway, how does refining it somewhere else hurt producers?! It just takes lot more energy to do that. Texas refineries would have been processing it, which means more jobs, deliveries, commerce, etc.. in Texas.
HEY BUT 80 MILLION AMERICAN VOTED FOR THIS!oh no said:
Definitely an America Last initiative going on starting day 1. Keystone cancelled, border wall stopped, Paris accord rejoined. America sending a message that we don't want jobs, we want to depend on others for energy, and we want to give our money to the world while hurting ourselves.
smh....
Bakken is the Dakotas and Montana. Marcellus is PA, NY, OH, WV.