Jonathan Swan- Trump's premeditated Big Lie

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In reply to JB99 • 5:54p, 1/17/21
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JB99 said:
This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.


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"Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified," Trump wrote.

- Trump on Cruz winning Iowa in the 2016 Primaries


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"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

- Trump on losing the popular vote in 2016

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We have to win the election. We can't play games. Go out and vote. Do those beautiful absentee ballots, or just make sure your vote gets counted. Make sure because the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged,"

- Trump on the only way he could lose 2020.

Dude is a thin skinned whiner who could never own up to an L, so it makes sense that we've been dealing with a New York sized tantrum for the last couple months.

To say that election fraud is how Biden won is to assert that Trump appointed judges, both in and out of the Supreme Court, as well as many Republican legislators, were all in on a conspiracy to allow "a coup" by the Dems.

The alternative is to assert that Trump didn't get as many votes as Biden.
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6:02p, 1/17/21
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Team Trump has lost 62 of 63 legal challenges the last time I checked.
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In reply to policywonk98 • 6:07p, 1/17/21
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policywonk98 said:
JB99 said:
This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.


Is this the same or different from Hillary openly telling Biden not to concede election night weeks before election? Something she obviously regrets doing herself. It made the work of the FBI and House Dems that much harder trying to get rid of him over the next 4 years.

Just a reminder. Progressives still beleive Bush stole 2000(SCOTUS), 2004(Swiftboat Lies), and Trump stole 2016(Russians).



There's delusional extremists on both sides who cry foul everytime their team loses. TDS is a two-way street. The same affliction that conservatives have mocked democrats for the last 4 years now afflicts the extremists on the right. Can't see the truth right in front of their face and instead go searching for any conspiracy theory they can find and cling to that despite all logic and reason.
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In reply to JB99 • 6:10p, 1/17/21
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Team Trump has lost 62 of 63 legal challenges the last time I checked.


Oh really? Did those courts consider and weigh evidence and make a determination as to its veracity? Or are you just reciting the stupid **** you've been fed by leftist media sources?
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6:14p, 1/17/21
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Another thread with Texags' finest defending Democrat malfeasance in Election Theft 2020.

Hope your arms don't ache from carrying the bucket of offal.
Save pets. Vote Trump 2024.
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In reply to JB99 • 6:16p, 1/17/21
JB99 said:
policywonk98 said:
JB99 said:
This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.


Is this the same or different from Hillary openly telling Biden not to concede election night weeks before election? Something she obviously regrets doing herself. It made the work of the FBI and House Dems that much harder trying to get rid of him over the next 4 years.

Just a reminder. Progressives still beleive Bush stole 2000(SCOTUS), 2004(Swiftboat Lies), and Trump stole 2016(Russians).



There's delusional extremists on both sides who cry foul everytime their team loses. TDS is a two-way street. The same affliction that conservatives have mocked democrats for the last 4 years now afflicts the extremists on the right. Can't see the truth right in front of their face and instead go searching for any conspiracy theory they can find and cling to that despite all logic and reason.


Strange. I get paid nicely for my "logic and reasoning capabilities." Pretty sure I was trained to look at the facts and interpret them through my own lens rather than have someone else do it for me. The results in Florida and Ohio, the down ballot results, and the shenanigans that went on in Philly, Detroit, and Atlanta along with the obvious opportunities for fraud with massive mail in voting make it obvious that there was rampant fraud. I didn't listen to Trump, Sidney Powell, or anyone else to form my opinion. I didn't have to.
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 6:27p, 1/17/21
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Ronald Reagan said:
JB99 said:
policywonk98 said:
JB99 said:
This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.


Is this the same or different from Hillary openly telling Biden not to concede election night weeks before election? Something she obviously regrets doing herself. It made the work of the FBI and House Dems that much harder trying to get rid of him over the next 4 years.

Just a reminder. Progressives still beleive Bush stole 2000(SCOTUS), 2004(Swiftboat Lies), and Trump stole 2016(Russians).



There's delusional extremists on both sides who cry foul everytime their team loses. TDS is a two-way street. The same affliction that conservatives have mocked democrats for the last 4 years now afflicts the extremists on the right. Can't see the truth right in front of their face and instead go searching for any conspiracy theory they can find and cling to that despite all logic and reason.


Strange. I get paid nicely for my "logic and reasoning capabilities." Pretty sure I was trained to look at the facts and interpret them through my own lens rather than have someone else do it for me. The results in Florida and Ohio, the down ballot results, and the shenanigans that went on in Philly, Detroit, and Atlanta along with the obvious opportunities for fraud with massive mail in voting make it obvious that there was rampant fraud. I didn't listen to Trump, Sidney Powell, or anyone else to form my opinion. I didn't have to.


I'm sure that all makes perfect sense in your head. Those suffering from delusions are not aware they have a problem. Our friends on the left swear to this day that Trump is a Russian asset, a puppet of Putin. They've got all their evidence and reasons as well. We all laugh and point at them.
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 6:41p, 1/17/21
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So the "results" in Detroit, Ohio, and Florida show you what exactly? How about Texas? Show me a Republican clearing Texas by only 5% and I'll show you a candidate getting their ass kicked.

Florida and Ohio are easily explained by Trump's electoral strength among non-college whites. He lost the swing states in the educated suburbs. He did better in '20 in those 3 black cities you cited than in '16.
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In reply to JB99 • 6:45p, 1/17/21
JB99 said:
Ronald Reagan said:
JB99 said:
policywonk98 said:
JB99 said:
This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.


Is this the same or different from Hillary openly telling Biden not to concede election night weeks before election? Something she obviously regrets doing herself. It made the work of the FBI and House Dems that much harder trying to get rid of him over the next 4 years.

Just a reminder. Progressives still beleive Bush stole 2000(SCOTUS), 2004(Swiftboat Lies), and Trump stole 2016(Russians).



There's delusional extremists on both sides who cry foul everytime their team loses. TDS is a two-way street. The same affliction that conservatives have mocked democrats for the last 4 years now afflicts the extremists on the right. Can't see the truth right in front of their face and instead go searching for any conspiracy theory they can find and cling to that despite all logic and reason.


Strange. I get paid nicely for my "logic and reasoning capabilities." Pretty sure I was trained to look at the facts and interpret them through my own lens rather than have someone else do it for me. The results in Florida and Ohio, the down ballot results, and the shenanigans that went on in Philly, Detroit, and Atlanta along with the obvious opportunities for fraud with massive mail in voting make it obvious that there was rampant fraud. I didn't listen to Trump, Sidney Powell, or anyone else to form my opinion. I didn't have to.


I'm sure that all makes perfect sense in your head. Those suffering from delusions are not aware they have a problem. Our friends on the left swear to this day that Trump is a Russian asset, a puppet of Putin. They've got all their evidence and reasons as well. We all laugh and point at them.


It makes sense in my head because it makes sense. You're welcome to dispute it rather than weak, baseless ad hominem. You should apply your own statements to yourself. There's a lot more depth to it but I'm not going to dig into that here and waste my time. We point and laugh at them because we have direct evidence of the DNC soliciting and paying for the source of that fake information.
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 6:48p, 1/17/21
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You cited Philly, Detroit, and Atlanta as evidence of fraud but Trump did better there than in 2016. Embarrassing for you to not know that and formulate beliefs based on falsehoods.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 6:58p, 1/17/21
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You cited Philly, Detroit, and Atlanta as evidence of fraud but Trump did better there than in 2016. Embarrassing for you to not know that and formulate beliefs based on falsehoods.


Wait...why do you think comparing his results in those two elections in those cities is determinative of the issue? It isn't. Do you need someone to explain to you WHY that's true? I know you consistently get your head caved in around here and it's enjoyable to watch. But please- tell me you don't actually believe what you just said cuts off the angle.

Do you?
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 7:42p, 1/17/21
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So you admit the results there were within historical norms? There were no significant "shenanigans" in those cities that indicate fraud. Atlanta was investigated, Rudy cut up the tape and lied. Detroit, Philly, nothing of significance out of the ordinary except for frog avatar Twitter trolls inventing conspiracies and not understanding anything. Were there "shenanigans" we'd expect to see unusual turnout or vote splits, we didn't.

Whining about winning FL/OH but losing the general proves you'll cherry pick anything to confirm your priors. It's superstition, not evidence.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 7:48p, 1/17/21
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So you admit the results there were within historical norms? There were no significant "shenanigans" in those cities that indicate fraud. Atlanta was investigated, Rudy cut up the tape and lied. Detroit, Philly, nothing of significance out of the ordinary except for frog avatar Twitter trolls inventing conspiracies and not understanding anything. Were there "shenanigans" we'd expect to see unusual turnout or vote splits, we didn't.

Whining about winning FL/OH but losing the general proves you'll cherry pick anything to confirm your priors. It's superstition, not evidence.


You think it's cherry picking to believe that something that's only happened once in history - along with multiple other items mentioned (and not mentioned) - is worthy of suspicion? Especially with a candidate that couldn't get anyone to leave their house for him and who clearly suffers from reduced cognitive function? This is why you get repeatedly piata'd here.

You're still sticking by your claims that nothing went on in those cities that would raise suspicion/cast doubt. Once again, you're the gift that keeps on giving.

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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 7:58p, 1/17/21
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No it's not worthy of suspicion, just an interesting factoid. Ohio and Florida easily explained by uneducated whites.

How many presidents win without winning the popular vote? Only 5/47. How many Republicans lose Arizona and still win? None in 80 years.

15 "bellweathers" missed in 2016, it doesn't mean there was fraud. Your theory is Soros forgot to rig Ohio, so dumb.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:08p, 1/17/21
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No it's not worthy of suspicion, just an interesting factoid. Ohio and Florida easily explained by uneducated whites.

How many presidents win without winning the popular vote? Only 5/47. How many Republicans lose Arizona and still win? None in 80 years.

15 "bellweathers" missed in 2016, it doesn't mean there was fraud. Your theory is Soros forgot to rig Ohio, so dumb.


Where did I claim that? Your arguments are so poorly constructed and easily punctured it's like dealing with a newbie government lawyer. You're thoroughly convinced that you're smarter than everyone. It's comical.
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 8:13p, 1/17/21
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It's the implication, evidence of rigging. You claimed it here and elsewhere for two months.
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that something that's only happened once in history - along with multiple other items mentioned (and not mentioned) - is worthy of suspicion?


You are easily fooled by superstition, numerology, and copium but ignore counterexamples that are equally "suspicious" ie. not suspicious at all.
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8:13p, 1/17/21
Another conspiracy theory regarding President Trump. I just don't get the fascination these liberal progressives have with ton foil hat material.
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In reply to richardag • 8:14p, 1/17/21
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It's not a conspiracy, Trump broadcast his plan for months.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:15p, 1/17/21
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No it's not worthy of suspicion, just an interesting factoid. Ohio and Florida easily explained by uneducated whites.

How many presidents win without winning the popular vote? Only 5/47. How many Republicans lose Arizona and still win? None in 80 years.

15 "bellweathers" missed in 2016, it doesn't mean there was fraud. Your theory is Soros forgot to rig Ohio, so dumb.
"uneducated whites" is that liberal progressive code for deplorables or chumps?
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In reply to richardag • 8:17p, 1/17/21
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It's a demographic Trump does great with. He got crushed by educated whites in the suburbs.
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8:32p, 1/17/21
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It was impossible to shift his focus from his grievances about the election to important policy matters. In conversations in the Oval Office, Trump would occasionally slip and seem to acknowledge he lost, saying, "Can you believe I lost to that ****king guy? That ****ing corpse?"

https://www.axios.com/trump-lawyers-biden-election-victory-debf79bc-750b-457b-a736-789b501d62a7.html
Mens rea
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:38p, 1/17/21
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It's the implication, evidence of rigging. You claimed it here and elsewhere for two months.
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that something that's only happened once in history - along with multiple other items mentioned (and not mentioned) - is worthy of suspicion?


You are easily fooled by superstition, numerology, and copium but ignore counterexamples that are equally "suspicious" ie. not suspicious at all.


Huh?

Buddy, you spend countless hours here and clearly researching anything you can find to support your bull**** theories. You contradict yourself constantly and you aren't smart enough to realize it.

Re: Ohio and Florida, that alone is not evidence of rigging. However, the amount of other evidence, both direct and circumstantial, adds veracity to the suspicion of it.

I find it strange that you actually have managed to convince yourself you're smarter than everyone here when we all know you aren't.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:42p, 1/17/21
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It was impossible to shift his focus from his grievances about the election to important policy matters. In conversations in the Oval Office, Trump would occasionally slip and seem to acknowledge he lost, saying, "Can you believe I lost to that ****king guy? That ****ing corpse?"

https://www.axios.com/trump-lawyers-biden-election-victory-debf79bc-750b-457b-a736-789b501d62a7.html
Mens rea


Ah yes, more unnamed sources from you. Just like the Trump hates the military bit you posted and swear by, despite direct sources refuting it.

Strange how much of a stalwart you are with calls for verified evidence unless it suits you.
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 8:46p, 1/17/21
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This is some weak election denialism, way weaker than Trump and way weaker than I'm used to on this board. Winning Ohio but losing the general EC isn't suspicious.

Would you like to comment on the OP article? You ok with Trump knowingly pushing lies to try to steal the election after the fact? That it was incompetent and doomed to failure makes it no less disgraceful and abhorrent.
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 8:50p, 1/17/21
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Ah yes, more unnamed sources from you.


Some are named, like Preibus, some aren't. They also gave the WH advance and a chance to contradict. Everything Swan reported for the last 4 years checked out, he's solid.

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President Trump and other officials to whom quotes and actions have been attributed by others were provided the opportunity to confirm, deny or respond to reporting elements prior to publication.


You'll hear from them under oath at the trial.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:50p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
This is some weak election denialism, way weaker than Trump and way weaker than I'm used to on this board. Winning Ohio but losing the general EC isn't suspicious.

Would you like to comment on the OP article? You ok with Trump knowingly pushing lies to try to steal the election after the fact? That it was incompetent and doomed to failure makes it no less disgraceful and abhorrent.

Anybody that says Biden got 80 million votes is the liar.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:51p, 1/17/21
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This is some weak election denialism, way weaker than Trump and way weaker than I'm used to on this board. Winning Ohio but losing the general EC isn't suspicious.

Would you like to comment on the OP article? You ok with Trump knowingly pushing lies to try to steal the election after the fact? That it was incompetent and doomed to failure makes it no less disgraceful and abhorrent.


Aww, but I didn't claim losing Ohio but losing the general, per ipsum, is suspicious. Try and keep up.

Your article and the article in the OP are both unsubstantiated bull****, par for the course for you.

You ever stop and look at how often you contradict yourself? It's absolutely mind numbing. I don't respond to your threads 95% of the time because they're so ridiculous and deranged it's more interesting to watch everyone else cat punch you.
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In reply to Rockdoc • 8:52p, 1/17/21
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Correct, he did not get 80 million votes. You're right about that.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:52p, 1/17/21
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Ah yes, more unnamed sources from you.


Some are named, like Preibus, some aren't. They also gave the WH advance and a chance to contradict. Everything Swan reported for the last 4 years checked out, he's solid.

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President Trump and other officials to whom quotes and actions have been attributed by others were provided the opportunity to confirm, deny or respond to reporting elements prior to publication.


You'll hear from them under oath at the trial.


Oooook, champ. We'll see. I'm sure you'll be right THIS TIME.
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8:54p, 1/17/21
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Won't be a trial.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:54p, 1/17/21
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Correct, he did not get 80 million votes. You're right about that.


Correct, he got way, way less.


You ever tell us what your favorite Biden policy is? He's clearly incredibly important to you. Will he create a government program to up your ****ty salary?
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In reply to Ronald Reagan • 8:55p, 1/17/21
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So according to you, this is BS. You're saying Trump actually bought Sidney Powell's Kraken Hugo Chavez BS? According to the article he mocked her, he had fun with it.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 8:56p, 1/17/21
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So according to you, this is BS. You're saying Trump actually bought Sidney Powell's Kraken Hugo Chavez BS? According to the article he mocked her, he had fun with it.


Huh?

John, your writing is dog**** and that's half the issue.

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Rockdoc said:
Won't be a trial.

There will be a trial. Signature bet?
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