Jonathan Swan- Trump's premeditated Big Lie

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Trump's refusal to believe the election results was premeditated. He had heard about the "red mirage" the likelihood that early vote counts would tip more Republican than the final tallies and he decided to exploit it.

As the clock ticked over into the first minutes of Nov. 4, Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani ranted to top campaign aides: "There's no way he lost; this thing must have been stolen. Just say we won Michigan! Just say we won Georgia! Just say we won the election! He needs to go out and claim victory." Trump's campaign manager Bill Stepien later told associates: "That was f****** crazy."


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After a toxic Sept. 29 election debate with Biden, Trump's internal poll numbers nose-dived. He started choreographing election night in earnest during the second week of October, as he recovered from COVID-19.

His former chief of staff Reince Priebus told a friend he was stunned when Trump called him around that time and acted out his script, including walking up to a podium and prematurely declaring victory on election night if it looked like he was ahead.


https://www.axios.com/trump-election-premeditated-lie-ebaf4a1f-46bf-4c37-ba0d-3ed5536ef537.html

Yes, Jonathan Swan has rock solid sources in the White House. All his reporting from the past 4 years has checked out. If you still disbelieve it, you'll hear from these staffers under oath at the Senate trial.



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4:46p, 1/17/21
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This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 4:47p, 1/17/21
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Yes, Jonathan Swan has rock solid sources in the White House. All his reporting from the past 4 years has checked out. If you still disbelieve it, you'll hear from these staffers under oath at the Senate trial.
Are you sure a constitutional Senate trial will actually take place?
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4:48p, 1/17/21
Trump is the GOAT. No amount of spin and lies from the left changes that.

Best policy in the last 75 years!
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:50p, 1/17/21
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I'm sure there will be a trial and people will whine and say it's unconstitutional.
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4:51p, 1/17/21
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Swan is a liberal TDS hack. Imagine if he looked into the Biden corruption and Hunter's laptop as hard as he did at a random Kushner nothingburger email/meeting.


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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 4:52p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
I'm sure there will be a trial and people will whine and say it's unconstitutional.
People like Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:55p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
I'm sure there will be a trial and people will whine and say it's unconstitutional.
People like Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz?

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In reply to JB99 • 5:02p, 1/17/21
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This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.

So glad it took 2 months for axios to tell you how to thoughtfully consider this.

Let me give you a different take. For the 9 months leading to the election, you were lied to. Every poll, every narrative was crafted to make you believe Generic Democrat was 15 points ahead of Trump in every state.

It's funny. Every democrat exhales and says "phew" that they "held on" in PA and others, but not a damn one of them can explain Ohio or Florida. Hell trump pulled ads in Ohio three weeks prior to the election and the media said "only candidates who are losing pull ad buy," and according to their expert polling Trump was down by 9% when he pulled out of Ohio.

So explain to be how Trump wins Ohio....from behind...with no money.

The answer is simple. Trump had the real numbers, not just in OH but in every state. It took an effort in states with lax election procedure, violating their own elections laws, in order to accept any ballot with nonexistent scrutiny.

Here is a quick summary of the quantified number of cases of election fraud in NV, just one state. And you'll never see this on the news:

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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:03p, 1/17/21
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aggiehawg said:
John Maplethorpe said:
I'm sure there will be a trial and people will whine and say it's unconstitutional.
People like Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz?


Yeah they'll probably claim it's unconstitutional. We do have precedent for this, twice.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:06p, 1/17/21
John Maplethorpe said:
aggiehawg said:
John Maplethorpe said:
I'm sure there will be a trial and people will whine and say it's unconstitutional.
People like Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz?


Yeah they'll probably claim it's unconstitutional. We do have precedent for this, twice.
As they should. Like you care about the constitution. First you are an voting machine expert with out initially knowing what source code was now this. Nobody cares what you think. BTW note the source MSNBC
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In reply to The Debt • 5:07p, 1/17/21
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The answer is simple. Trump had the real numbers


This is correct, per several campaign staffers, Trump knew he was likely going to lose. A half-dozen campaign trips to Georgia and Arizona in the final weeks for a Republican means you lost.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:08p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
aggiehawg said:
John Maplethorpe said:
I'm sure there will be a trial and people will whine and say it's unconstitutional.
People like Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz?


Yeah they'll probably claim it's unconstitutional. We do have precedent for this, twice.
Please post those then.
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5:10p, 1/17/21
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With Trump gone what is the OP going to post about after Wednesday?
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:15p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
You were schooled so bad on those threads you're still trying to figure out how paper ballots work. It's embarrassing. I've been proven right for two months. Even Trump shut up about it because he's afraid of getting sued.

There's nothing in the constitution preventing impeachment after leaving office. There's two historical cases establishing precedent.
Post both links, now.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:15p, 1/17/21
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You were schooled so bad on those threads you're still trying to figure out how paper ballots work. It's embarrassing. I've been proven right for two months. Even Trump shut up about it because he's afraid of getting sued.

There's nothing in the constitution preventing impeachment after leaving office. There's two historical cases establishing precedent.
Hardly You had your head caved in. it was easy. Talked like this expert and didnt even know the basics. Everyone here knows what you are.

And you pound your chest about being right when the Dems owned the house bringing impeachment with only 10 or so days left in Trumps term. And you probably thought that was politically a good idea when it made the dems look petty..

Its funny you boast on your profile of being a bully. You are not very good at it.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:19p, 1/17/21
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Blount and Belknap, you have Google.

There's nothing in the constitution that excludes or prevents it. The concept was borrowed from British law where impeachment of former officers was common. Regardless, the trial is gonna happen and these staffers will tell us all about the premeditated lie.
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In reply to JB99 • 5:19p, 1/17/21
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JB99 said:
This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.
No evidence? Why did States stop counting? Why did Georgia lie about a water main break? Why did Michigan put up barriers to view the count?

The only people who deny the existence of evidence are those that don't want to hear it.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:20p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:

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Trump's refusal to believe the election results was premeditated. He had heard about the "red mirage" the likelihood that early vote counts would tip more Republican than the final tallies and he decided to exploit it.

As the clock ticked over into the first minutes of Nov. 4, Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani ranted to top campaign aides: "There's no way he lost; this thing must have been stolen. Just say we won Michigan! Just say we won Georgia! Just say we won the election! He needs to go out and claim victory." Trump's campaign manager Bill Stepien later told associates: "That was f****** crazy."


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After a toxic Sept. 29 election debate with Biden, Trump's internal poll numbers nose-dived. He started choreographing election night in earnest during the second week of October, as he recovered from COVID-19.

His former chief of staff Reince Priebus told a friend he was stunned when Trump called him around that time and acted out his script, including walking up to a podium and prematurely declaring victory on election night if it looked like he was ahead.


https://www.axios.com/trump-election-premeditated-lie-ebaf4a1f-46bf-4c37-ba0d-3ed5536ef537.html

Yes, Jonathan Swan has rock solid sources in the White House. All his reporting from the past 4 years has checked out. If you still disbelieve it, you'll hear from these staffers under oath at the Senate trial.



Reince Priebus?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:20p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
You were schooled so bad on those threads you're still trying to figure out how paper ballots work. It's embarrassing. I've been proven right for two months. Even Trump shut up about it because he's afraid of getting sued.

There's nothing in the constitution preventing impeachment after leaving office. There's two historical cases establishing precedent.
Post both links, now.
He is digging for it now. Has to make edits and pick the right trash. Its how he rolls. Well be along with the socks soon as well

Dominion IT Rep and a few others.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:20p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
You were schooled so bad on those threads you're still trying to figure out how paper ballots work. It's embarrassing. I've been proven right for two months. Even Trump shut up about it because he's afraid of getting sued.

There's nothing in the constitution preventing impeachment after leaving office. There's two historical cases establishing precedent.
Uh, actually? No.
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In reply to ttu_85 • 5:21p, 1/17/21
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I know what source code is, you seemed to struggle with the concept of paper ballots. I was right the Dominion hoax was a lie generated on Q message boards, it was obvious from the beginning, but you fell for it. That is humiliating.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:24p, 1/17/21
aggiehawg said:
John Maplethorpe said:
You were schooled so bad on those threads you're still trying to figure out how paper ballots work. It's embarrassing. I've been proven right for two months. Even Trump shut up about it because he's afraid of getting sued.

There's nothing in the constitution preventing impeachment after leaving office. There's two historical cases establishing precedent.
Post both links, now.


He will deflect like a turd floating down river.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:24p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
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The answer is simple. Trump had the real numbers


This is correct, per several campaign staffers, Trump knew he was likely going to lose. A half-dozen campaign trips to Georgia and Arizona in the final weeks for a Republican means you lost.


Maybe he knew voter roles were all jacked up and that hundreds of thousand of illegal votes would be cast against him. We now know for a fact that tons of votes were cast against illegitimate records in voter DB. Why do you think Abrams and dems are playing race card against any effort to purge the voter registry of duplicate , inaccurate, and illegitimate records? Why do dems want mail ballots for a garbage repository of "voters"?

The answer is BLM activists and other created the problem by registering anyone with or without a pulse in a "get out the vote" campaign. That's how this election was stolen. At some point stats will be released on accuracy of state voter DBs. It will be a bombshell.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:24p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
I know what source code is, you seemed to struggle with the concept of paper ballots. I was right the Dominion hoax was a lie generated on Q message boards, it was obvious from the beginning, but you fell for it. That is humiliating.
Remains to be seen
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ttu_85 said:
aggiehawg said:
John Maplethorpe said:
You were schooled so bad on those threads you're still trying to figure out how paper ballots work. It's embarrassing. I've been proven right for two months. Even Trump shut up about it because he's afraid of getting sued.

There's nothing in the constitution preventing impeachment after leaving office. There's two historical cases establishing precedent.
Post both links, now.
He is digging for it now. Has to make edits and pick the right trash. Its how he rolls. Well be along with the socks soon as well

Dominion IT Rep and a few others.


You post the link, you brought it up. It took weeks to explain to you the paper ballots are the official record and the BMDs don't count anything. You didn't even know the bare basics.
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5:26p, 1/17/21
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Yall flagged a photo of Trump being interviewed? Really?
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5:31p, 1/17/21
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OP, we don't need to worry about Trump anymore. We have the great Joe Biden now.

Wait, I said it wrong. Its the Great Great Joe Biden.

I am looking forward to all your posts regarding his presidency.
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5:37p, 1/17/21
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Dear Leftists

How big of a lie was denying Trumps election for 4 years as well as pushing a debunked Russia Conspiracy during that time?

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ttu_85 said:
aggiehawg said:
John Maplethorpe said:
You were schooled so bad on those threads you're still trying to figure out how paper ballots work. It's embarrassing. I've been proven right for two months. Even Trump shut up about it because he's afraid of getting sued.

There's nothing in the constitution preventing impeachment after leaving office. There's two historical cases establishing precedent.
Post both links, now.
He is digging for it now. Has to make edits and pick the right trash. Its how he rolls. Well be along with the socks soon as well

Dominion IT Rep and a few others.

Yeah I mentioned his socks and it got deleted.
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:40p, 1/17/21
John Maplethorpe said:
I know what source code is, you seemed to struggle with the concept of paper ballots. I was right the Dominion hoax was a lie generated on Q message boards, it was obvious from the beginning, but you fell for it. That is humiliating.
Funny. I dont feel that way. And you didn't know what source was. You just acted like you did when your were called out by several IT types. It was funny watching you squirm. Speaking of humiliation. And you couldn't understand the simple concept of computer->paper->to scanner vs paper->to scanner. as a possible point of fraud. After all those computers just print those completed ballots by magic.

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In reply to JB99 • 5:41p, 1/17/21
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JB99 said:
This fits. The day after the election Trump declares massive election fraud despite having zero evidence at the time. It was all planned out ahead of time.


Is this the same or different from Hillary openly telling Biden not to concede election night weeks before election? Something she obviously regrets doing herself. It made the work of the FBI and House Dems that much harder trying to get rid of him over the next 4 years.

Just a reminder. Progressives still beleive Bush stole 2000(SCOTUS), 2004(Swiftboat Lies), and Trump stole 2016(Russians).

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5:43p, 1/17/21
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Trump knew it was going to happen, and he had to let it happen as judges weren't ruling on anything prior to the election because of "lack of damage".
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In reply to John Maplethorpe • 5:45p, 1/17/21
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John Maplethorpe said:
Blount and Belknap, you have Google.

There's nothing in the constitution that excludes or prevents it. The concept was borrowed from British law where impeachment of former officers was common. Regardless, the trial is gonna happen and these staffers will tell us all about the premeditated lie.
Neither of which apply here. Turley and Dersh say you are (well you are not a lawyer despite your pretensions here) are completely wrong. Lying.

Try again? Or just continue to lie? Your default position is to lie. So I am guessing you are lying.Or you really are as dumb as I thought
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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 5:50p, 1/17/21
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Dear Leftists

How big of a lie was denying Trumps election for 4 years as well as pushing a debunked Russia Conspiracy during that time?
They all still believe in the Collusion Delusion.

They're no different than the Covidians who still think the Wu-Flu will kill 99% of people who get it.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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