5 people died the other day under his leadership at his house. Sometime a man has to grow up and recognize this fact.

And that's why Gary Johnson maplethorpe is fake news

Trump was back at the White House during the breach, the video from the tent is irrelevant to Sasse's statement.

I get the desire to disbelieve Sasse but he's not a known liar. This is hearsay but we're not in a courtroom and it's a credible source.

Ok. Thanks.

Now do all of the people and police killed by BLM/Antifa lovers this past summer and all BACKED BY DEMOCRATS.

Oh, that's right. You don't have the ability to be honest. Nevermind. Just go back to sleep then.

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Trump was back at the White House during the breach, the video from the tent is irrelevant to Sasse's statement.

I get the desire to disbelieve Sasse but he's not a known liar. This is hearsay but we're not in a courtroom and it's a credible source.

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Only in the most general sense, but will grant that he is a potentially credible source. But without names, we don't know that the people who talked to him are credible.

In fact, going to the climate now, I can't even rule out that he wasn't ordered to say this. That's what I am talking about. Truth speakers will be willing to give names and actionable details to cross-reference.

No, what he is saying is "he gets YOUR DESIRE TO BELIEVE Sasse" because it FITS YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM.

Perhaps you are the one who doesn't have the ability to be skeptical when the media feeds you stories and you aren't independent enough or perhaps intellectually honest enough to take your own look to verify if really true or just gossip.

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Ok. Thanks.

Now do all of the people and police killed by BLM/Antifa lovers this past summer and all BACKED BY DEMOCRATS.

Oh, that's right. You don't have the ability to be honest. Nevermind. Just go back to sleep then.

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Wasn't addressing that scum. Honest enough for you?

The media is liberal, hence the continued lies. No name sources for four years. And the dumb suckers just keep on buying the lies like the soy morons they are.

You are not a serious person. Bye!

Ben Sasse is a Republican Senator from Nebraska. About 10 times more conservative than Trump.

He's not a "liberal" and he's not "the media". HTH

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Red Red Wine said:

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Ok. Thanks.

Now do all of the people and police killed by BLM/Antifa lovers this past summer and all BACKED BY DEMOCRATS.

Oh, that's right. You don't have the ability to be honest. Nevermind. Just go back to sleep then.

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Wasn't addressing that scum. Honest enough for you?

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Well If it's not the old hippy flower child. No on respects gutless liberals. Never have. Never will.

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Ben Sasse is a Republican Senator from Nebraska. About 10 times more conservative than Trump.

He's not a "liberal" and he's not "the media". HTH

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Name the source. Just once.


You can't because once again, it's a lie.

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Ignore trolls.

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And the OP is the worst but fortunately, least effective troll. He is so obvious

Ben Sasse is the source. I acknowledged the White House staffer isn't named, but there's good reason to trust Sasse. You'll hear from the staffers at the trial, and you still won't believe it so why do you care?

JM,

Your approach is pretty abrasive. Perhaps if you would consider posting controversial subjects in more of cautionary way like "hey, Ben Sasse says X what does everyone think of that" vs "See Ben Sasse says Trump was delighted about the riots and now I'm right about Trump being a jerk".

See the difference?

Ad hominems would still be half the posts. All I did was post the quotes with a note that Sasse has a good reputation.

Is anybody really surprised Trump acted this way? He saw his MAGA army going to disrupt the vote certification that Pence wasn't "brave" enough to do. He probably didn't realise how violent it would be at first or that there'd be deaths.

Trump didn't act that way so just quit with the presumptive troll job

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JM,

Your approach is pretty abrasive. Perhaps if you would consider posting controversial subjects in more of cautionary way like "hey, Ben Sasse says X what does everyone think of that" vs "See Ben Sasse says Trump was delighted about the riots and now I'm right about Trump being a jerk".

See the difference?

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Nah, only abrasive if you disagree with him. See the point?

Red Red Wine said:

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JM,

Your approach is pretty abrasive. Perhaps if you would consider posting controversial subjects in more of cautionary way like "hey, Ben Sasse says X what does everyone think of that" vs "See Ben Sasse says Trump was delighted about the riots and now I'm right about Trump being a jerk".

See the difference?

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Look at the threads on the front page.

We have the following titles:

"They hate you and want you to die"
"Question for the liberals?" - always a reasonable discussion
"Hunter Biden and a 14 year old girl"

And OP is the troll?

I think the whole premise is wrong.

Sasse may be right that Trump was pleased to see the Rally moved to the Capitol. But, what if that was all. What if Trump was NOT happy that they stormed the Capitol, destroyed property, and people died? Is it possible that he was delighted they showed up to let Congress know they don't like election fraud?

I think the whole problem with the Sasse story is it lacks enough context and sources to mean anything. It leaves a story to be used by both sides to mean different things.

BUT - I will say this and most everyone on here will agree - Trump can be a massive jerk. But guess what, that's a lot of why the Right liked him. He didn't roll over to the bullying of the left-wing media, big tech, Democratic and RINO machine that have been leeches on this country for far too long. He FIGHTS. He fights dirty at times and even I cringed a lot of times when I would see some of his tweets and hear some of the verbal sparring he would get into.

That does NOT justify stripping way first amendment rights of people you politically disagree with, that does not justify election fraud on this grand scale, that did not justify spying on him and his team, that did not justify the lie of Russia collusion, that did not justify the phony Ukraine impeachment nonsense, that did not justify the Charlotte lie, that does not justify these past few days actions, none of it.

It is still amazing to me that the Left doesn't get it. Trump is not our hero, Trump is not a cult leader, Trump is simply a representation of all of the people who are SICK OF THE LEFT. The Left has tried to make America look like a bunch of racist, sexist haters for the last 20 years. Now why do you think people were drawn to someone who PUSHED BACK on all of that phony garbage.

Doesn't sound like Trump was "delighted" at peaceful protesting outside the Capitol grounds.

Quote:

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Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) said Friday that he heard from senior White House officials that President Trump was "delighted" to hear that his supporters were breaking into the Capitol building in a riot Wednesday

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Throw in a rash of resignations and Trump's history. This is 110% true, Trump is a sociopath losing touch with reality.

Red Red Wine said:

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I think the whole premise is wrong.

Sasse may be right that Trump was pleased to see the Rally moved to the Capitol. But, what if that was all. What if Trump was NOT happy that they stormed the Capitol, destroyed property, and people died? Is it possible that he was delighted they showed up to let Congress know they don't like election fraud?

I think the whole problem with the Sasse story is it lacks enough context and sources to mean anything. It leaves a story to be used by both sides to mean different things.

BUT - I will say this and most everyone on here will agree - Trump can be a massive jerk. But guess what, that's a lot of why the Right liked him. He didn't roll over to the bullying of the left-wing media, big tech, Democratic and RINO machine that have been leeches on this country for far too long. He FIGHTS. He fights dirty at times and even I cringed a lot of times when I would see some of his tweets and hear some of the verbal sparring he would get into.

That does NOT justify stripping way first amendment rights of people you politically disagree with, that does not justify election fraud on this grand scale, that did not justify spying on him and his team, that did not justify the lie of Russia collusion, that did not justify the phony Ukraine impeachment nonsense, that did not justify the Charlotte lie, that does not justify these past few days actions, none of it.

It is still amazing to me that the Left doesn't get it. Trump is not our hero, Trump is not a cult leader, Trump is simply a representation of all of the people who are SICK OF THE LEFT. The Left has tried to make America look like a bunch of racist, sexist haters for the last 20 years. Now why do you think people were drawn to someone who PUSHED BACK on all of that phony garbage.

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There are a lot of other conservatives that "push back" that actually represent conservative policies, are well spoken and are good men. And they aren't named Donald Trump.

Don't know why everyone treats it like Trump is the last non leftist on earth. Just throw their hands in the sky and say "it is either Trump or bust. There are literally no other conservatives. Only Donald."

I was making fun of how she PRONOUNCES HER NAME!!!

BoydCrowder13 said:

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Red Red Wine said:

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I think the whole premise is wrong.

Sasse may be right that Trump was pleased to see the Rally moved to the Capitol. But, what if that was all. What if Trump was NOT happy that they stormed the Capitol, destroyed property, and people died? Is it possible that he was delighted they showed up to let Congress know they don't like election fraud?

I think the whole problem with the Sasse story is it lacks enough context and sources to mean anything. It leaves a story to be used by both sides to mean different things.

BUT - I will say this and most everyone on here will agree - Trump can be a massive jerk. But guess what, that's a lot of why the Right liked him. He didn't roll over to the bullying of the left-wing media, big tech, Democratic and RINO machine that have been leeches on this country for far too long. He FIGHTS. He fights dirty at times and even I cringed a lot of times when I would see some of his tweets and hear some of the verbal sparring he would get into.

That does NOT justify stripping way first amendment rights of people you politically disagree with, that does not justify election fraud on this grand scale, that did not justify spying on him and his team, that did not justify the lie of Russia collusion, that did not justify the phony Ukraine impeachment nonsense, that did not justify the Charlotte lie, that does not justify these past few days actions, none of it.

It is still amazing to me that the Left doesn't get it. Trump is not our hero, Trump is not a cult leader, Trump is simply a representation of all of the people who are SICK OF THE LEFT. The Left has tried to make America look like a bunch of racist, sexist haters for the last 20 years. Now why do you think people were drawn to someone who PUSHED BACK on all of that phony garbage.

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There are a lot of other conservatives that "push back" that actually represent conservative policies, are well spoken and are good men. And they aren't named Donald Trump.

Don't know why everyone treats it like Trump is the last non leftist on earth. Just throw their hands in the sky and say "it is either Trump or bust. There are literally no other conservatives. Only Donald."

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Silly.

Trump was the won that won. You back him once that happens because the last two paragraphs or Red Red Wine's post were spot on. Trump was a representation of all those sick of the Left, Ted Cruz was also. If he had won he would have gotten the same very unflinching support.

Who else is the "lot of others" you are talking about that could win and effect some counter-push? Certainly not Jeb.

If he has really become adrift in the very last months, that doesn't undo the motives of the choice. And yes, a successor in DeSantis is already visible. He handles the press as they should be.

Okay. Name one Republican that ever PUSHED BACK HARD on the Left and the Media?

McCain - Nope.
Romney - Nope.
Cruz, Rubio, Cocaine Mitch, Lindsey Lightfoot Graham, ???????

Remember: GW used to take a beating from the press and NEVER ENGAGED. His belief was that getting into an argument with the media would never end with him winning. And guess what - it KILLED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY for the next few election cycles. You need to GROW A PEAR if you want to lead the Right these days or they won't show up for you.

Name ONE?

Again, I really don't believe people are fighting FOR Trump as much as they are using Trump as their tool to FIGHT THE LEFT. You gotta go deeper here.

Trump is a billionaire Democract from New York. How did he all of sudden become the Savior for the Right? He didn't that's why. He just tapped into half of the country's disdain for the Left's Anti-American Agenda and used him and He willingly took on the role of FIGHTER. It just kind of went hand in hand.

The next person that stands up to the left and the media will be loved just as much and supported just as much so this really isn't a Trump phenomenon as you seem to think.

Maplethorpe - invest some time in gathering facts and not believing the liberal ( I am being kind) media and you will have your documentation.

mjschiller said:

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Maplethorpe - invest some time in gathering facts and not believing the liberal ( I am being kind) media and you will have your documentation.

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Same can be said for those that believe Trump is for them when spewing his things that he doesn't believe in them himself.

This is one of the greatest snow jobs in history. Spoiled dude that ain't for you.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Red Red Wine said:

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I think the whole premise is wrong.

Sasse may be right that Trump was pleased to see the Rally moved to the Capitol. But, what if that was all. What if Trump was NOT happy that they stormed the Capitol, destroyed property, and people died? Is it possible that he was delighted they showed up to let Congress know they don't like election fraud?

I think the whole problem with the Sasse story is it lacks enough context and sources to mean anything. It leaves a story to be used by both sides to mean different things.

BUT - I will say this and most everyone on here will agree - Trump can be a massive jerk. But guess what, that's a lot of why the Right liked him. He didn't roll over to the bullying of the left-wing media, big tech, Democratic and RINO machine that have been leeches on this country for far too long. He FIGHTS. He fights dirty at times and even I cringed a lot of times when I would see some of his tweets and hear some of the verbal sparring he would get into.

That does NOT justify stripping way first amendment rights of people you politically disagree with, that does not justify election fraud on this grand scale, that did not justify spying on him and his team, that did not justify the lie of Russia collusion, that did not justify the phony Ukraine impeachment nonsense, that did not justify the Charlotte lie, that does not justify these past few days actions, none of it.

It is still amazing to me that the Left doesn't get it. Trump is not our hero, Trump is not a cult leader, Trump is simply a representation of all of the people who are SICK OF THE LEFT. The Left has tried to make America look like a bunch of racist, sexist haters for the last 20 years. Now why do you think people were drawn to someone who PUSHED BACK on all of that phony garbage.

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There are a lot of other conservatives that "push back" that actually represent conservative policies, are well spoken and are good men. And they aren't named Donald Trump.

Don't know why everyone treats it like Trump is the last non leftist on earth. Just throw their hands in the sky and say "it is either Trump or bust. There are literally no other conservatives. Only Donald."

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Silly.

Trump was the won that won. You back him once that happens because the last two paragraphs or Red Red Wine's post were spot on. Trump was a representation of all those sick of the Left, Ted Cruz was also. If he had won he would have gotten the same very unflinching support.

Who else is the "lot of others" you are talking about that could win and effect some counter-push? Certainly not Jeb.

If he has really become adrift in the very last months, that doesn't undo the motives of the choice. And yes, a successor in DeSantis is already visible. He handles the press as they should be.

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Trump won second place in this election.

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titan said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Red Red Wine said:

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I think the whole premise is wrong.

Sasse may be right that Trump was pleased to see the Rally moved to the Capitol. But, what if that was all. What if Trump was NOT happy that they stormed the Capitol, destroyed property, and people died? Is it possible that he was delighted they showed up to let Congress know they don't like election fraud?

I think the whole problem with the Sasse story is it lacks enough context and sources to mean anything. It leaves a story to be used by both sides to mean different things.

BUT - I will say this and most everyone on here will agree - Trump can be a massive jerk. But guess what, that's a lot of why the Right liked him. He didn't roll over to the bullying of the left-wing media, big tech, Democratic and RINO machine that have been leeches on this country for far too long. He FIGHTS. He fights dirty at times and even I cringed a lot of times when I would see some of his tweets and hear some of the verbal sparring he would get into.

That does NOT justify stripping way first amendment rights of people you politically disagree with, that does not justify election fraud on this grand scale, that did not justify spying on him and his team, that did not justify the lie of Russia collusion, that did not justify the phony Ukraine impeachment nonsense, that did not justify the Charlotte lie, that does not justify these past few days actions, none of it.

It is still amazing to me that the Left doesn't get it. Trump is not our hero, Trump is not a cult leader, Trump is simply a representation of all of the people who are SICK OF THE LEFT. The Left has tried to make America look like a bunch of racist, sexist haters for the last 20 years. Now why do you think people were drawn to someone who PUSHED BACK on all of that phony garbage.

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There are a lot of other conservatives that "push back" that actually represent conservative policies, are well spoken and are good men. And they aren't named Donald Trump.

Don't know why everyone treats it like Trump is the last non leftist on earth. Just throw their hands in the sky and say "it is either Trump or bust. There are literally no other conservatives. Only Donald."

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Silly.

Trump was the won that won. You back him once that happens because the last two paragraphs or Red Red Wine's post were spot on. Trump was a representation of all those sick of the Left, Ted Cruz was also. If he had won he would have gotten the same very unflinching support.

Who else is the "lot of others" you are talking about that could win and effect some counter-push? Certainly not Jeb.

If he has really become adrift in the very last months, that doesn't undo the motives of the choice. And yes, a successor in DeSantis is already visible. He handles the press as they should be.

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Trump won second place in this election.

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Trump won in a landslide. Biden won at cheating