WTFchjoak said:
TX State Rep Terry Meza (D - Irving) introduced HB196 to repeal the castle doctrine. Her words on the subject...Quote:
Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate.
Truman Capoti would like a word with this idiot, I am sure she could communicate with him during one of her seances, which I would suspect she believes are possible.chjoak said:
TX State Rep Terry Meza (D - Irving) introduced HB196 to repeal the castle doctrine. Her words on the subject...Quote:
"I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. ... (I eliminated the rest of this drivel....
Yeah pretty much until the perp decides midway through the robbery, err umm "transfer of property", that he would like to rape you or beat you to death just for the heck of it or kidnap you for ransom.Stinky T said:
Knock! Knock! Knock!
"Excuse me good sir, I am here to rob your home. Please step aside so I may proceed. This gun I am carrying is just here to make sure you don't try anything shady while I relieve you of your property. Thank you for your cooperation!"
Actually, the quote is important. Reporting that she said the thieves need money more than the owner needs their property is quite a damning statement to say she made. That is why I asked for a link from somewhere other than gun rights/outdoors forums. Be against itfor what the bill actually says, not a statement that may or not be true. It could be the same as the Kamala quote that keeps popping up on here regularly.titan said:
More important than the quote is whether the law is real. It could be couched in the most Lincolnian prose and still be anathema.
That's racist! They're forced to rob you at gunpoint due to systemic racism. Arguing that you should be able to defend yourself by murdering an innocent starving father or mother is further proof that you need to be taken to a wrongthink camp for reeducationtitan said:
How about a system where all the burden is on the violent criminal. The only way to escape bad consequences is not to commit a violent crime.
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The bills listed below have been pre-filed in anticipation of the 87th Texas Legislative session. The TSRA Legislative team is engaged in review of each bill and formulating a response to each one.
PRO-SECOND AMENDMENT BILLS PRE-FILED (as of 11/23/2020)
House Bill 26 & House Bill 340 PROTECTING the right to sell and purchase firearms during a state of emergency.
House Bill 112 PROHIBITING state and local enforcement of certain restrictive federal firearms, ammunition and accessory laws enacted after January 2021.
House Bill 299 PERMITLESS CARRY legislation.
House Bill 304 REPEALING certain gun-free zones for License To Carry holders.
House Bill 336 PROHIBITING the recognition and enforcement of red flag gun confiscation orders
ANTI-GUN MEASURES PRE-FILED (as of 11/23/2020)
House Bill 52 & House Bill 245 BANNING private firearms sales at gun shows.
House Bill 118, House Bill 606 & Senate Bill 163 BANNING private firearms transfers between certain family members and friends, requiring FFLs to process these transactions that would include federal paperwork for government approval at an undetermined fee.
House Bill 127 & House Bill 213 BANNING long gun open carry with limited exceptions.
House Bill 164, House Bill 395, Senate Bill 84 & Senate Bill 110 red flag GUN CONFISCATION legislation requiring firearms surrender without due process.
House Bill 172 & House Bill 241 BANNING the sale or transfer and possession of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms.
House Bill 178 & House Bill 234 BANNING the sale or transfer and possession of standard capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
House Bill 185 MANDATING firearms to be stored in locked gun cases, safes or cabinets.
She DID say the bolded part. Can't find anywhere where she said the rest.bangobango said:Link? Have you verified that is a true quote?chjoak said:
TX State Rep Terry Meza (D - Irving) introduced HB196 to repeal the castle doctrine. Her words on the subject...Quote:
"I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. They just want to get their loot and get away. When the resident tries to resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed fewer people will be killed."
Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent homeowners from defending themselves.
Under the new law the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible he must cooperate with the intruder. But if violence breaks out it is the homeowner's responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
"In most instances the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance we reimburse his losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful one so much the better."
Red Fishing Ag93 said:
In other words, I can grab my gun and rob her home.
This is sickening.Quote:
On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful one so much the better
The problem with any law with that type of wording is that it leaves far too much open to interpretation both by the govt and the individual being accused.titan said:
Read the actual law provided by chjoak. Its barely a page, so those good at legalese should check it out. Its why put the emphasis on whether the law existed.
If anything, the law seems to more raise concern for the strong emphasis of "habitation on land" counting as the same as the owner. It almost sounds like giving the right of squatters to resist landlords by force. Others will need to judge that.
There is a provision in there saying you can use deadly force if you believe what is being taken is not "recoverable by other means" ----- can think of a few items like that.
See what you all think.
Pretty sure its fakepowerbelly said:This is sickening.Quote:
On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful one so much the better
Canyon99 said:
At the moment, Terry Meza assumes the title of dumbest SOB alive.
Completely asinine. I'm not waiting to find out an intruders intentions. Thief needs more money than the homeowner?!!? I think we have a Darwin award contender for 2020.chjoak said:
TX State Rep Terry Meza (D - Irving) introduced HB196 to repeal the castle doctrine. Her words on the subject...Quote:
"I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. They just want to get their loot and get away. When the resident tries to resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed fewer people will be killed."
Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent homeowners from defending themselves.
Under the new law the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible he must cooperate with the intruder. But if violence breaks out it is the homeowner's responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
"In most instances the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance we reimburse his losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful one so much the better."
