TX sues GA, MI, WI, and PA at Supreme Court

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John Maplethorpe said:

This would be a great precedent - states go around reversing other states elections based on narrow legal technicalities in how they were operated.


Hahaha. A "narrow legal technicality" being how changes to state election law must occur according to the United States Constitution agreed to by all the states agreeing to join the US.
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Apologies. The word "bogus" is the only word that comes to mind when thinking about this election.
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Ag87H2O said:

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pacecar02 said:

I predicted this, will Texas be the only one?



God Bless Texas. Glad we are in the fight, I hope every Republican state follows suit.
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John Maplethorpe said:

ttu_85 said:

John Maplethorpe said:

In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.


We're not challenging anything software related, of course there could be hidden code tampering. But if it did what you're saying there would be a paper record, thousands of Trump voters would get printed ballots that say Biden/Harris. Or maybe you're suggesting the BMDs record an opposite electronic vote of the printed version? That wouldn't work.

The process ensures every voter holds a physical piece of paper with their selections clearly marked in English before they cast it in the tabulator, which can be verified with a hand count. Nothing gets counted until that last step.
Well there was this busted water pipe in Fulton Co with weird statistical abborrations. a few lines of SQL code and I can throw away all kinds of stuff

Delete from voterec where recID equals whateverIWant
//then walks to the shredder
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John Maplethorpe said:

notex said:

John Maplethorpe said:

You blog links are garbage. The whole process was video recorded with Republican poll watchers observing.
Really? So this is fine?



My lying eyes see Ruby Freeman counting a ballot stack several times thru a scanner with no poll watchers present, after her daughter brought them to her.

Now, she's lawyered up, I know, but your post is a flat/blatant lie.


His links were about the hand recount, try to keep up.

Coincidentally, which would have caught any hijinks you imagine you're seeing in that video from the original count, which was investigated by Republican appointed officials.
If the original count was a fraud/sham, as documented, and the recount matched it, doesn't that mean the recount was as well?

https://nationalfile.com/shady-shaye-ruby-freemans-daughter-idd-as-blonde-braided-supervisor-shaye-moss/



Use of the word "debunked" is not some sort of magical cure all beetlejuice command justifying belief.
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John Maplethorpe said:

richardag said:

John Maplethorpe said:

You blog links are garbage. The whole process was video recorded with Republican poll watchers observing.
The links don't reference the video evidence of counters not following procedures and their suspicious activity. If you weren't so delusional you might actually take the time to read some of the sworn affidavits by some very reputable people.
But go ahead continue your delusional denials.


So reputable the FBI will interview them as part of a real investigation or we'll hear them in court under cross, right? No. None of this will happen because it's a fantasy.
The FBI is an enemy of the state/people. LOL.
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schmendeler said:

richardag said:

schmendeler said:

richardag said:

schmendeler said:

ttu_85 said:

John Maplethorpe said:

In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.
the printed form has who the voter selected written in english on it. they did a manual hand recount of these printed forms. the vote tally was essentially identical across the entire state. where is the room for tampering?
Georgia Recount fraud affidavits

https://nationalfile.com/sworn-affidavits-georgia-recount-plagued-by-potential-voter-fraud-ballot-tampering/

Georgia recount may be as corrupt as the election itself

SWORN AFFIDAVITS: Georgia Recount Plagued by Potential Voter Fraud, Ballot Tampering
"we don't trust these people so they MUST be doing bad stuff!!!"
You didn't even read one of the articles, I can tell by your ridiculous statement. Carry on with your delusional denials.
i read through them. it's a bunch of people that claim bad stuff happened because they don't understand what they are looking at. these claims have been around for a while. they are trash.
One Fulton County poll manager, with 20-years of experience
Another observer, this time at the Cobb County Poll Precinct and who identified herself as a Democrat
Georgia recount worker with 20 years of experience handling ballots described an odd batch that stood out.

Well I guess we've gone from deplorable to chumps but now you call us trash. Nice to know how you consider people.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Tells you something when the Texas Solicitor General, Kyle Hawkins, who is the state's chief litigator in front of the Supreme Court, didn't sign his name on this stinking pile of crap.
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richardag said:

schmendeler said:

richardag said:

schmendeler said:

richardag said:

schmendeler said:

ttu_85 said:

John Maplethorpe said:

In you example a voter votes Trump but the paper ballot prints Biden correct? The BMDs don't record any votes, they aren't connected to anything.

We understand what you're saying, nobody denies code can be malicious, we're saying it doesn't work that way. The paper ballot is the official record and gets counted by another machine.

Given a Ga voter FIRST creates their vote on computer generated form probably HTML/JS . That loaded form can be processed or manipulated Before its printed locally or after

Show me an example where we can be sure, without the source code, that vote hasn't been tampered with. The state of Texas and others sure had concerns regarding Dominion.
the printed form has who the voter selected written in english on it. they did a manual hand recount of these printed forms. the vote tally was essentially identical across the entire state. where is the room for tampering?
Georgia Recount fraud affidavits

https://nationalfile.com/sworn-affidavits-georgia-recount-plagued-by-potential-voter-fraud-ballot-tampering/

Georgia recount may be as corrupt as the election itself

SWORN AFFIDAVITS: Georgia Recount Plagued by Potential Voter Fraud, Ballot Tampering
"we don't trust these people so they MUST be doing bad stuff!!!"
You didn't even read one of the articles, I can tell by your ridiculous statement. Carry on with your delusional denials.
i read through them. it's a bunch of people that claim bad stuff happened because they don't understand what they are looking at. these claims have been around for a while. they are trash.
One Fulton County poll manager, with 20-years of experience
Another observer, this time at the Cobb County Poll Precinct and who identified herself as a Democrat
Georgia recount worker with 20 years of experience handling ballots described an odd batch that stood out.

Well I guess we've gone from deplorable to chumps but now you call us trash. Nice to know how you consider people.
the claims are trash. not the people. i don't know them.
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This is a much more aggressive lawsuit than I was anticipating. I'm actually kind of disappointed that is wasn't more measured.

Several observations here:

1) Nothing new in this lawsuit, as far as facts (alleged) are concerned.
2) This will likely build political capital for Paxton in Texas.
3) The fact that filing a lawsuit like this will build political capital for someone will not go unnoticed to other politicians.
4) The remedies Texas is asking for include excluding the electors as legitimate. I would anticipate that SCOTUS might point out that this is the realm of the US Congress. The Senate and House have to agree to exclude electors. Highly unlikely. But, I would not put the GOP from making the HOR vote on this to get people on record, and raise a fuss.
5) I doubt that SCOTUS takes this up. However, I was interested in Texas's argument that SCOTUS doesn't have a choice, they have no discretion to take this up. This is an issue I am completely ignorant of. I would be surprised if Texas is right.
6) I wish that there was room for a re-vote in these states under current state laws. That would seem to be the most equitable thing to do, and still follow the law. I doubt that this is feasible.
7) If SCOTUS does take this up, I hope they address the illegality of the states changing rules to violate state law, regardless of whether or not they provide any remedy.
8) I also hope they address the issue of whether legislatures can assign their electors however they want, regardless of current election laws.

Interesting late night shot across the bow by Paxton. So much for Safe Harbor day. It's plausible that one of the purposes of the timing of this lawsuit is related to the media hoopla around that.
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Well there was this busted water pipe in Fulton Co with weird statistic aborrations. a few lines of SQL code and I can throw away all kinds of stuff

Delete from voterec where recID equals whateverIWant
//then walks to the shredder

When one facet of the conspiracy fails simply introduce a larger more implausible conspiracy.
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Paxton looking for a pardon?
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also something to remember is Paxton is crooked AF and is under federal investigation. This is all likely just a sham so he can kiss Trump's ass and get a pardon in Trump's final days in office.
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richardag said:

Ag87H2O said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

pacecar02 said:

I predicted this, will Texas be the only one?



God Bless Texas. Glad we are in the fight, I hope every Republican state follows suit.
South Dakota next to join the lawsuit.
There were two stars on this post before I gave it a third star. Were the two previous stars just for South Dakota, or just because you think the governor is hot?
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richardag said:

Ag87H2O said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

pacecar02 said:

I predicted this, will Texas be the only one?



God Bless Texas. Glad we are in the fight, I hope every Republican state follows suit.
South Dakota next to join the lawsuit.
There were two stars on this post before I gave it a third star. Were the two previous stars just for South Dakota, or just because you think the governor is hot?
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BusterAg said:

This is a much more aggressive lawsuit than I was anticipating. I'm actually kind of disappointed that is wasn't more measured.
if you know you're gonna miss anyway, may as well swing for the fences. dupe people into thinking you tried hard.
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richardag said:

Ag87H2O said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

pacecar02 said:

I predicted this, will Texas be the only one?



God Bless Texas. Glad we are in the fight, I hope every Republican state follows suit.
South Dakota next to join the lawsuit.
There were two stars on this post before I gave it a third star. Were the two previous stars just for South Dakota, or just because you think the governor is hot?
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John Maplethorpe said:

Quote:

Well there was this busted water pipe in Fulton Co with weird statistic aborrations. a few lines of SQL code and I can throw away all kinds of stuff

Delete from voterec where recID equals whateverIWant
//then walks to the shredder

When one facet of the conspiracy fails simply introduce a larger more implausible conspiracy.


From the party of Russia, Russia, Russia ladies and gentlemen.
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John Maplethorpe said:

Quote:

Well there was this busted water pipe in Fulton Co with weird statistic aborrations. a few lines of SQL code and I can throw away all kinds of stuff

Delete from voterec where recID equals whateverIWant
//then walks to the shredder

When one facet of the conspiracy fails simply introduce a larger more implausible conspiracy.
Nothing failed. just pointing out other avenues. Sorry you are confused. Unlike you I want to work. I have an esp32 application to code. But ill be around
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notex said:

John Maplethorpe said:

notex said:

John Maplethorpe said:

You blog links are garbage. The whole process was video recorded with Republican poll watchers observing.
Really? So this is fine?



My lying eyes see Ruby Freeman counting a ballot stack several times thru a scanner with no poll watchers present, after her daughter brought them to her.

Now, she's lawyered up, I know, but your post is a flat/blatant lie.


His links were about the hand recount, try to keep up.

Coincidentally, which would have caught any hijinks you imagine you're seeing in that video from the original count, which was investigated by Republican appointed officials.
If the original count was a fraud/sham, as documented, and the recount matched it, doesn't that mean the recount was as well?

https://nationalfile.com/shady-shaye-ruby-freemans-daughter-idd-as-blonde-braided-supervisor-shaye-moss/



Use of the word "debunked" is not some sort of magical cure all beetlejuice command justifying belief.
Hunter got 3MM dollars from the wife of the mayor of Moscow.

That's been debunked!

Oh, ok. Sorry.
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I'm not a dem. But at least much of that occurred in reality not in Kraken 4chan fantasy world. 34 indictments. How many Dominion employees do you want to bet get charged? Zero.
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BusterAg said:

This is a much more aggressive lawsuit than I was anticipating. I'm actually kind of disappointed that is wasn't more measured.

Several observations here:

1) Nothing new in this lawsuit, as far as facts (alleged) are concerned.
2) This will likely build political capital for Paxton in Texas.
3) The fact that filing a lawsuit like this will build political capital for someone will not go unnoticed to other politicians.
4) The remedies Texas is asking for include excluding the electors as legitimate. I would anticipate that SCOTUS might point out that this is the realm of the US Congress. The Senate and House have to agree to exclude electors. Highly unlikely. But, I would not put the GOP from making the HOR vote on this to get people on record, and raise a fuss.
5) I doubt that SCOTUS takes this up. However, I was interested in Texas's argument that SCOTUS doesn't have a choice, they have no discretion to take this up. This is an issue I am completely ignorant of. I would be surprised if Texas is right.
6) I wish that there was room for a re-vote in these states under current state laws. That would seem to be the most equitable thing to do, and still follow the law. I doubt that this is feasible.
7) If SCOTUS does take this up, I hope they address the illegality of the states changing rules to violate state law, regardless of whether or not they provide any remedy.
8) I also hope they address the issue of whether legislatures can assign their electors however they want, regardless of current election laws.

Interesting late night shot across the bow by Paxton. So much for Safe Harbor day. It's plausible that one of the purposes of the timing of this lawsuit is related to the media hoopla around that.

#TEXIT

If the feds and other states aren't going to abide by the agreements made to join the union, we aren't obligated to stay in it.

Cue authoritarian socialist low-key threatening to invade to force compliance.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!

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Cassius said:

Even if forced to pick the electors, that doesn't mean they'll do the right thing.
but it will be constitutional
NO AMNESTY!

in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
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ttu_85 said:

John Maplethorpe said:

Quote:

Well there was this busted water pipe in Fulton Co with weird statistic aborrations. a few lines of SQL code and I can throw away all kinds of stuff

Delete from voterec where recID equals whateverIWant
//then walks to the shredder

When one facet of the conspiracy fails simply introduce a larger more implausible conspiracy.
Nothing failed. just pointing out other avenues. Sorry you are confused. Unlike you I want to work. I have an esp32 application to code. But ill be around

So you admit it couldn't work because of the paper process. You're ballot stuffing hypo would have nothing to do with Dominion.
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John Maplethorpe said:

I'm not a dem. But at least much of that occurred in reality not in Kraken 4chan fantasy world. 34 indictments. How many Dominion employees do you want to bet get charged? Zero.
How many convictions having to do with election interference or russia? Hint, of the 7, none of them did. Zero.

Why did the former Moscow mayor's wife pay Hunter? Russian interference? Who do you think "the big guy" is?
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thirdcoast said:

schmendeler said:

embarrassing for our state.


Please stop complaining and leave Texas for a liberal utopia like Portland.
The bill of complaint actually is embarrassing because it is way more PR stunt than anything substantive. It's essentially an amalgamation of already raised (and rejected) claims, which is one reason it is extremely unlikely the court will grant the motion for leave.

Even granting the legitimacy of certain arguments, such as the electors clause arguments, the actual pleading is written more like a press release than a legitimate legal filing, as it includes scores of outlandish, nonsensical, and frankly irrelevant assertions and "statistical" arguments.

It is somewhat hard to imagine a case in which a state brings legitimate elections claims against another state, although probably not impossible. However, this is not one of those examples.

And as someone else mentioned, it is probably very telling that Kyle Hawkins is not on the pleading.
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rab79 said:

Cassius said:

Even if forced to pick the electors, that doesn't mean they'll do the right thing.
but it will be constitutional
See, this is the kicker for me. Even in this thread, the word "autocrat" has been thrown around. Trump is called dictator, etc, while doing a FAR better job of staying in his lane than Hussein ever did. Biden already talking about confiscating 401ks and infringing the 2nd amendment.

Everything Trump is doing or is being done on Trump's behalf is LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!

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Ken Paxton is simply an attention *****, and this bogus lawsuit is both giving him that attention and creating a diversion from his real legal issues.
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MASAXET said:

thirdcoast said:

schmendeler said:

embarrassing for our state.


Please stop complaining and leave Texas for a liberal utopia like Portland.
The bill of complaint actually is embarrassing because it is way more PR stunt than anything substantive. It's essentially an amalgamation of already raised (and rejected) claims, which is one reason it is extremely unlikely the court will grant the motion for leave.

Even granting the legitimacy of certain arguments, such as the electors clause arguments, the actual pleading is written more like a press release than a legitimate legal filing, as it includes scores of outlandish, nonsensical, and frankly irrelevant assertions and "statistical" arguments.

It is somewhat hard to imagine a case in which a state brings legitimate elections claims against another state, although probably not impossible. However, this is not one of those examples.

And as someone else mentioned, it is probably very telling that Kyle Hawkins is not on the pleading.
There is video of impropriety in GA.
PA violated their own constitution.

This just can't be waved away as nothing.

What's embarrassing is that ANY American would not want a full and reasonable explanation. There is no way Fulton County can tell everyone to leave, haul boxes of ballots out from under a covered table, then dump about 100,000 votes for Biden into the count at 1AM, and that's OK. It's not OK for PA to violate their constitution to enable what everyone knows is the easiest way to cheat. It's not OK to ignore the sworn affidavits of the people who witness impropriety.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!

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fasthorse05 said:

richardag said:

Ag87H2O said:

WHOOP!'91 said:

pacecar02 said:

I predicted this, will Texas be the only one?



God Bless Texas. Glad we are in the fight, I hope every Republican state follows suit.
South Dakota next to join the lawsuit.
There were two stars on this post before I gave it a third star. Were the two previous stars just for South Dakota, or just because you think the governor is hot?
South Dakota because they are populate do by conservatives who believe in the Constitution and rule of law. Throughout all this pandemic hysteria they were grounded in freedoms.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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torrid said:

Ken Paxton is simply an attention *****, and this bogus lawsuit is both giving him that attention and creating a diversion from his real legal issues.
My understanding is that Paxton is quite a conservative.

Hence the targeting of him.
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Isn't the deadline to certify today?
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It's cute that you say that. He's under indictment, and more indictments for other matters are coming.

Paxton sucks. Texas can do WAY better
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thirdcoast said:

schmendeler said:

embarrassing for our state.


Please stop complaining and leave Texas for a liberal utopia like Portland.
We're allowed to criticize the leadership in our state for doing stupid things, and demand better
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Charpie said:

It's cute that you say that. He's under indictment, and more indictments for other matters are coming.

Paxton sucks. Texas can do WAY better
Charpie called me cute.
 
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