The Pennsylvania numbers supposedly have been out there since election.

Numbers are numbers. These are the REAL ELECTION numbers. Not made up by Rudy.

The quote I posted was from the meeting Rudy just had with the Pennsylvania Senate.

These are NUMBERS everyone that are PUBLIC.

Also I understand that there are Affidavits that show Absentee Voter Rolls with 100's of versions of Mary Smith. So the court should at the very least check that out. It should take less than an hour. Please someone look at the Absentee Voter Rolls. There are obviously hundreds of thousands of fake people.

Why is this debatable. Prove it right now. One way or the Other. This alone tells me it is FRAUD that we can't get people we trust to look at this and TELL US.

Why can't FOX (who I hate Now) just INVESTIGATE THIS THEMSELVES. It doesn't take an EINSTEIN to solve this for the greatest News Story in a Century.

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I still don't understand how the actual vote count had to be reported in decimals. To the hundredth. No one's even tried to explain this to me, and I've asked in various places how this could be 'ok.'

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Decimals in Vote Tallies
Tabulation software in use in the 2020 election in at least 28 states explicitly authorized in operating instruction manuals provided by the software vendor -- the use of weighting algorithms to tally votes.
Actual tallies in Michigan's public records show weighted numbers of votes received, showing vote tallies in fractional numbers -- e.g. a tally of 1,615,707.52 votes for candidate X and 1,925,865.66 votes for candidate Y.

These numbers are not vote total percentages for one candidate or another, which would logically include decimals. These are reports of vote totals. With decimals. There is no logical place for decimals in a system that is supposed to be counting one person, one vote. Vote counts with decimals establish that the system used algorithms. They prove the actual vote tally has been manipulated.

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So, when you have been dead over 50 years before the vote count you get 1/3 of a vote, 26-50 you get 1/2 a vote, 11-25 you get 3/4, and 1 day to 10 years a full vote. Then you multiply the totaled fractions by the candidate factor (x40 for Hiden and 0.10 for Trump).

CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Surely Rudy will provide us with how he got those numbers?

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I'll bet ya he already has, if you really are curious.

Math and Statistics are racist.

CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Surely Rudy will provide us with how he got those numbers?

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Secretary of State, who has since pulled the numbers down so the public no longer has access.

sail33or said:

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These are the actual numbers reported in Pennsylvania.

How does anyone not see this glaring problem.

You sent out in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 1,823,148 absentee or mail-in ballots. You received back 1.4 million approximately. However, in the count for president, you counted 2.5 million. I don't know what accounts for the 700,000 difference between the ballots you sent out and the number of ballots that ended up in the count," said Giuliani.

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I think they sent out like 3 million ballots.

notex said:

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I still don't understand how the actual vote count had to be reported in decimals. To the hundredth. No one's even tried to explain this to me, and I've asked in various places how this could be 'ok.'

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Decimals in Vote Tallies
Tabulation software in use in the 2020 election in at least 28 states explicitly authorized in operating instruction manuals provided by the software vendor -- the use of weighting algorithms to tally votes.
Actual tallies in Michigan's public records show weighted numbers of votes received, showing vote tallies in fractional numbers -- e.g. a tally of 1,615,707.52 votes for candidate X and 1,925,865.66 votes for candidate Y.

These numbers are not vote total percentages for one candidate or another, which would logically include decimals. These are reports of vote totals. With decimals. There is no logical place for decimals in a system that is supposed to be counting one person, one vote. Vote counts with decimals establish that the system used algorithms. They prove the actual vote tally has been manipulated.

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Whooooooosh and over the heads of demwit lawyers and their fans

Oh, another thing... One of the things they mentioned was that the machines are physically incapable of counting the numbers of votes that are supposed to have come in in the middle of the night. Assuming the machines were working perfectly without any jams they couldn't have counted anywhere near that.

Does anyone have a link or screenshot showing the 1.8 MM sent out for the November election?

combat wombat said:

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Oh, another thing... One of the things they mentioned was that the machines are physically incapable of counting the numbers of votes that are supposed to have come in in the middle of the night. Assuming the machines were working perfectly without any jams they couldn't have counted anywhere near that.

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And the spikes, discussed in the PA hearing. 100,000 something odd for Biden vs. 3,200 for Trump.

OKAY, make a bed.

Then YOU FACTUALLY tell me and show me the ACTUAL number of Absentee Ballots sent out for the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION in Pennsylvania.

Why would the number of people requesting absentee ballots in the PRIMARY be too far different (say 800,000) different from those requesting Ballots for the Presidential Election.

We are talking DEMOCRATIC ABSENTEE BALLOT REQUESTS. Show me the NUMBER.

If you say no one knows this number it should be super easy to get to shut all of us up.

So, as I check back into this I find on this thread that we still have two realities. One reality says that PA received more ballots that were sent out which clearly is an issue and the other reality is that this didn't happen.

Dad-O-Lot said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Nope, nothing about math on that sign

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Just add "liberalism is a disease" and "shall not be infringed" and I would buy it

Bobaloo said:

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I will never be convinced that Joe Biden got almost 80 million legal votes.12 million more than Obama.

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Could it be that he didn't get that many legal votes? Maybe he got 60 million and Not Trump got 20 million? The most rhetorically divisive president in my (admittedly short, since the early 80s) lifetime has stirred the pot and is eating his results.

YouBet said:

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So, as I check back into this I find on this thread that we still have two realities. One reality says that PA received more ballots that were sent out which clearly is an issue and the other reality is that this didn't happen.

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Agreed. It's pointless to continue this fruitless exercise. One reality comes from unsworn statements made by Rudy Giuliani at a media event, the other comes with support from links to government website and media stories from before the election even began. However of course the 2nd "reality" can easily be dismissed because government can't be trusted and media is fake news, meaning only the 1st "reality" based on Giuliani's assurances can be trusted.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Nope, nothing about math on that sign

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I've seen that sign in my neighborhood but have never read it in full because I knew it was liberal gibberish. No human is illegal? I wonder if they'd be cool with me stealing all their shyt while they're sitting in a 2 hour long dunkin doughnut line every morning

Corn Pop said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Nope, nothing about math on that sign

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I've seen that sign in my neighborhood but have never read it in full because I knew it was liberal gibberish. No human is illegal? I wonder if they'd be cool with me stealing all their shyt while they're sitting in a 2 hour long dunkin doughnut line every morning

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At that point, your actions would be illegal, not you.

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Corn Pop said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Nope, nothing about math on that sign

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I've seen that sign in my neighborhood but have never read it in full because I knew it was liberal gibberish. No human is illegal? I wonder if they'd be cool with me stealing all their shyt while they're sitting in a 2 hour long dunkin doughnut line every morning

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At that point, your actions would be illegal, not you.

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So just my actions will get thrown in jail? Finally explains our immigration problem. Those idiots in power keep forgetting to send back the humans acted on the crime to make them illegal. See the problem with continuing to move goalposts? It truly is amazing to me how the mind of someone as stupid as a liberal works.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Nope, nothing about math on that sign

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Math is integral to science

unmade bed said:

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sail33or said:

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OKAY, make a bed.

Then YOU FACTUALLY tell me and show me the ACTUAL number of Absentee Ballots sent out for the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION in Pennsylvania.

Why would the number of people requesting absentee ballots in the PRIMARY be too far different (say 800,000) different from those requesting Ballots for the Presidential Election.

We are talking DEMOCRATIC ABSENTEE BALLOT REQUESTS. Show me the NUMBER.

If you say no one knows this number it should be super easy to get to shut all of us up.

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There were 3,088,123 mail in ballots requested for the general election in PA. Who is saying no one knows the number? It has been known and reported since Election Day.

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/PA.html

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-pennsylvania-elections-voting-2020-presidential-elections-b1fe12514c3a736ec33f84e4ce7e4161



As to your other question, if you aren't capable of comprehending that more people vote a General election than a Primary election I don't know what else I can do for you.

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Your article says the 3 million is for mail in and absentee. I believe Trump team is talking about mail in ballots only.

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unmade bed said:

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sail33or said:

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OKAY, make a bed.

Then YOU FACTUALLY tell me and show me the ACTUAL number of Absentee Ballots sent out for the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION in Pennsylvania.

Why would the number of people requesting absentee ballots in the PRIMARY be too far different (say 800,000) different from those requesting Ballots for the Presidential Election.

We are talking DEMOCRATIC ABSENTEE BALLOT REQUESTS. Show me the NUMBER.

If you say no one knows this number it should be super easy to get to shut all of us up.

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There were 3,088,123 mail in ballots requested for the general election in PA. Who is saying no one knows the number? It has been known and reported since Election Day.

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/PA.html

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-pennsylvania-elections-voting-2020-presidential-elections-b1fe12514c3a736ec33f84e4ce7e4161



As to your other question, if you aren't capable of comprehending that more people vote a General election than a Primary election I don't know what else I can do for you.

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Your article says the 3 million is for mail in and absentee. I believe Trump team is talking about mail in ballots only.

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And it just so happens the number they are using matches the number of mail in ballots requested in the primary exactly?

Also the 2.5+ million votes counted is not broken down between mail in and absentee. The 3 categories are Election Day, Mail In and Provisional. Here is the link to the vote totals from PA:

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/

There is no distinction made between mail in and absentee.

Corn Pop said:

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pants said:

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Corn Pop said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Nope, nothing about math on that sign

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I've seen that sign in my neighborhood but have never read it in full because I knew it was liberal gibberish. No human is illegal? I wonder if they'd be cool with me stealing all their shyt while they're sitting in a 2 hour long dunkin doughnut line every morning

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At that point, your actions would be illegal, not you.

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So just my actions will get thrown in jail? Finally explains our immigration problem. Those idiots in power keep forgetting to send back the humans acted on the crime to make them illegal. See the problem with continuing to move goalposts? It truly is amazing to me how the mind of someone as stupid as a liberal works.

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Throwing actions in jail is absurd and not the point. It's just semantics: a person goes to jail for committing illegal actions, not being illegal themselves. It's kind of like hating the sin, but not the sinner, which is a very Christian concept.

At the end of the day, the person committing crimes should be held accountable, whether it's stealing property or immigrating illegally. Phrasing and language usage, however, matter. That's what Trump has never understood, and the #1 reason Biden even had a chance (terrible candidate) is Trump's Twitter account. Many people voted for Biden as a "not Trump" vote, and it's mostly because he has no subtlety.

unmade bed said:

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It does prove fraud, just not the fraud the OP thinks it proves. Rudy is fraudulently using the number of mail in ballots requested in the Primary Election and comparing that number to the number of votes counted in the General Election.

I've posted this several times including the link below which shows the 1,823,148 number is in fact from the Primary, yet no one seems to give a damn. Truth is dead.

https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-Primary-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/853w-ecfz

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They're lying about this. They're lying about everything. They're lying liars that lie - and millions won't even bother double checking because they want to believe.

Maury Ballstein said:

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unmade bed said:

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It does prove fraud, just not the fraud the OP thinks it proves. Rudy is fraudulently using the number of mail in ballots requested in the Primary Election and comparing that number to the number of votes counted in the General Election.

I've posted this several times including the link below which shows the 1,823,148 number is in fact from the Primary, yet no one seems to give a damn. Truth is dead.

https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-Primary-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/853w-ecfz

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They're lying about this. They're lying about everything. They're lying liars that lie - and millions won't even bother double checking because they want to believe.

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Prove they are lies and you might get slightly more than the zero credibility yo currently have.

bed guy,

I actually looked at your posted numbers.

They show 1.9MM REQUESTED DEMOCRATIC BALLOTS.

We are only talking about Democrats. The ones that cheated.

Do not feed me Total REQUESTED BALLOTS because the REPUBLICAN REQUESTED BALLOTS are legit.

leftcoastaggie said:

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Yesterday, yet another appeal by the GOP was thrown out in PA. It was an attempt to invalidate 69 ballots (really? 69 ballots). It's clear that the judges are starting to get tired of all this bs. They are taking notice with what is alleged at a Wyndham Hotel is not what is being alleged in court, and they are calling it out.



Here is the money shot in case you missed it:

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Importantly, the Court must point out that there are absolutely no allegations of any fraud, impropriety, misconduct, or undue influence, that anyone voted who was not eligible to vote, or that the secrecy of the ballots cast were jeopardized.

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Just curious...did you use Dominion or Smartmatic to get those results?

sail33or said:

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bed guy,

I actually looked at your posted numbers.

They show 1.9MM REQUESTED DEMOCRATIC BALLOTS.

We are only talking about Democrats. The ones that cheated.

Do not feed me Total REQUESTED BALLOTS because the REPUBLICAN REQUESTED BALLOTS are legit.

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So Rudy was only talking about Democrat mail-in ballots? That is your argument now? If that is case he is then incorrectly citing the TOTAL mail in ballots counted, as those numbers you actually looked at I posted show.

Also, did you look at the numbers from the Primary election that show the exact number of TOTAL mail in or absentee ballots requested to be the EXACT number Rudy used (and you cited in your OP) - 1,823,148. That is your number, surely you are curious where it came from. You can actually download all the data from that cite and count the Excel rows. It matches the number Rudy used.

Here is the link, yet again. Knock yourself out.

https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-Primary-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/853w-ecfz

Troutslime said:

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Maury Ballstein said:

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unmade bed said:

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It does prove fraud, just not the fraud the OP thinks it proves. Rudy is fraudulently using the number of mail in ballots requested in the Primary Election and comparing that number to the number of votes counted in the General Election.

I've posted this several times including the link below which shows the 1,823,148 number is in fact from the Primary, yet no one seems to give a damn. Truth is dead.

https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-Primary-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/853w-ecfz

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They're lying about this. They're lying about everything. They're lying liars that lie - and millions won't even bother double checking because they want to believe.

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Prove they are lies and you might get slightly more than the zero credibility yo currently have.

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They're lying about the vote classification numbers- they can be easily checked at the PA SOS website.