Cast Iron said:

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Good Lord you need it that's for sure! How pathetic

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I'll stop replying when you do, sugar. You're the one that supposedly has me on "ignore".

agjacent said:

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Cast Iron said:

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Good Lord you need it that's for sure! How pathetic

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I'll stop replying when you do, sugar. You're the one that supposedly has me on "ignore".

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You're going to compare paperwork errors to paying off a porn star so she won't go public about her affair with the candidate? Where the person paying off said porn star was the candidate's personal attorney? lol okay.

You'd have been better off comparing trump to John Edwards, who was in fact indicted and prosecuted for using campaign funds to pay off his pregnant mistress.

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Yes, Edwards ACTUALLY USED campaign funds to pay his mistress. That didn't happen with Stormy.

Trump paid Cohen a retainer to handle certain issues for him. No campaign funds were involved. The Cohen charge was that it benefited the candidate, therefore the campaign, therefore it's a contribution and a violation. No way would that charge withstand a fight from the defendant.

That charge was all about "if it's a crime for Cohen, it's a crime for Trump!"

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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

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The left impeached him for zero crimes. So yeah, this is just a smart move given the insanity of the left.

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agjacent said:

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Cast Iron said:

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Good Lord you need it that's for sure! How pathetic

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I'll stop replying when you do, sugar. You're the one that supposedly has me on "ignore".

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Good lord, Dims grow more pathetic by the hour.

Keep pushing, children. You may not like the pushback.

Why do I get the feeling this is a social experiment?

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So, the first three responses find the possibility of trump pardoning himself and/or his children to be utterly outlandish, in never-gonna-happen territory? So if he were to do it, that would presumably lower your opinion of him?

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No, the bottom feeding scum you voted for are the lowest forms of life on the planet.

He won't pardon himself because he hasn't done anything wrong or you dip****s would have found it in the last four years.

He's only going to grow more vocal and stronger and solidify that you and your ilk are our enemy.

HTH

During the Watergate scandal, President Nixon's lawyer suggested that a self-pardon would be legal, while the Department of Justice issued a memorandum opinion on August 5, 1974, stating that a president cannot pardon himself. (random google search)


He should write one up for himself and Biden and say, "I'll sign yours if you sign mine."

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HoustonAggie37713 said:

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Interesting given we have so much proof of Biden's crimes. Will he pardon himself?

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I think if Biden pardoned himself or any of his children, ever, for anything, he would be instantly rebuked and despised by every single Democrat, by they a voter or an elected official. Judging by the responses to this thread, the same can't be said for trump.

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Clinton lied to the American people, personally lied to his cabinet members, then lied to a court. And yet when busted after the blue dress came out, they all rallied around him. He lost his damn law license for committing that crime while in office. R's never came after him for that crime after he left like you want to do to Trump, who committed no crime.


Dems are pure evil. They would rally to braindead Biden if he pardoned himself. Fcker already committed crimes in office and you libs voted for him anyway.

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Yes, Clinton committed perjury and was never prosecuted for it. If he had been, I have no doubt that the majority of the party would have still supported him, and would have accused Republicans of using such a prosecution as political retribution.

However - if Clinton had pardoned himself for it, especially preemptively, prior to any charges being filed? I dunno. Especially in the 90's, pre-trump, when political norms still meant something? I don't think the party support would have gone that far.

As for Biden, if he were to pardon himself at some point in the future, in a post-trump era, I do believe no Democrat would support it.

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That's because you are not very bright

Go for it.

I would LOVE for him to do that.

Stick it in the eye of every GD Liberal in this wonderful American country that would be more wonderful with less socialists running around!!!

Does that answer the question?

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holy ***** op, ive been drinking since 9 and im not on your level

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To be honest, I want to believe that the idea is so beyond the pale that only a maniac would ever seriously suggest it. Unfortunately the past four years have taught me that I can put nothing past this president. I'm not saying that he definitely will, I'm only wondering - truly, honestly curious - how his supporters would react if he did. Based on the responses, some would find it perfectly acceptable but a decent amount would (presumably, based on the general incredulity to this thread) disapprove rather strongly.

I genuinely hope this remains a mere thought exercise.

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Seriously - get help. You are mentally broken.

The hyperbolic "I can put nothing past this president" says everything about you. Open up and say ahhh little one, MSM here to spoon feed your brain more mush.

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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

I assume that some here will respond that it'll be necessary for trump to issue such broad pardons for himself and his family, including even for future crimes, as protection from vindictive/false prosecution by the deep state, etc. If that's how you feel about it, okay, duly noted. But for the rest of you who support trump, would him pardoning himself before leaving office cause you to reconsider your support?

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Histrionics.

Get
a
Dog.

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I'm confused... what crimes have any of the Trump family committed? Serious question.

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Serious question - do you know what who Micheal Cohen is, and why he went to prison? Are you aware that in the sentencing documents for his federal crimes, a co-conspirator named "Individual-1" was identified to be trump? Are you aware that people who conspire together to commit crimes are both equally guilty of said crimes?

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Cohen lied to get his sentence reduced for tax evasion. Get out with your conspiracy nonsense.

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If that is the Stormy thing, you do know the person who was head of the FEC when that law went into place said it wasn't a crime?

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/former-election-commissioner-cohen-and-trump-didnt-violate-campaign

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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

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This is lunacy. Stop following left wing "news."

agjacent said:

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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

I assume that some here will respond that it'll be necessary for trump to issue such broad pardons for himself and his family, including even for future crimes, as protection from vindictive/false prosecution by the deep state, etc. If that's how you feel about it, okay, duly noted. But for the rest of you who support trump, would him pardoning himself before leaving office cause you to reconsider your support?

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I already think Trump is a POS.






You know what though? Biden could give him lessons in ****stickery. PhD level ones.

What is it with all this feigned concern by Democrats for the law. Talking about crimes among the political class like they are significant. Has it already been forgotten that they impeached President Trump for crimes that their Presidential candidate and Biden family actually committed? Several members of the prior admin did crimes without penalty and relatively little censure from their side. That their party participated in a pre-election coup and surveillance project, a bogus counsel inquiry, and a de-facto resistance and coup since which reached its penultimate climax in a groundless impeachment and its climax in encouraged voter fraud and invalid ballot submission?

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I'm confused... what crimes have any of the Trump family committed? Serious question.

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Serious question - do you know what who Micheal Cohen is, and why he went to prison? Are you aware that in the sentencing documents for his federal crimes, a co-conspirator named "Individual-1" was identified to be trump? Are you aware that people who conspire together to commit crimes are both equally guilty of said crimes?

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Fascinating how much the left truly hates Trump. And as a doctor and capitalist, I have a lot more tangible reasons to hate Obama than you do to hate Trump. You won. Nobody is going to jail.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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What is it with all this feigned concern by Democrats for the law. Talking about crimes among the political class like they are significant. Has it already been forgotten that they impeached President Trump for crimes that their Presidential candidate and Biden family actually committed? Several members of the prior admin did crimes without penalty and relatively little censure from their side. That their party participated in a pre-election coup and surveillance project, a bogus counsel inquiry, and a de-facto resistance and coup since which reached its penultimate climax in a groundless impeachment and its climax in encouraged voter fraud and invalid ballot submission?

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Indisputable truth of life #4

If libs accuse somebody of doing something, they are already doing it. And at a significantly higher degree.

Never fails.

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What is it with all this feigned concern by Democrats for the law. Talking about crimes among the political class like they are significant. Has it already been forgotten that they impeached President Trump for crimes that their Presidential candidate and Biden family actually committed? Several members of the prior admin did crimes without penalty and relatively little censure from their side. That their party participated in a pre-election coup and surveillance project, a bogus counsel inquiry, and a de-facto resistance and coup since which reached its penultimate climax in a groundless impeachment and its climax in encouraged voter fraud and invalid ballot submission?

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You and DermDoc are way too nice. Anyone that supports Biden are lying, hypocritical pieces of ***** I prefer to label them as enemies of our nation and further state we will never be unified with them. I hope they burn in hell.

What if Superman was a Nazi?

C'mon man

agjacent said:

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So, the first three responses find the possibility of trump pardoning himself and/or his children to be utterly outlandish, in never-gonna-happen territory? So if he were to do it, that would presumably lower your opinion of him?

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Initial thought: that's dumb. Deeper thought: they spied on him and made up false allegations against him for years. I could see how he would be afraid of people coming for him. Especially since several democrats have actually suggested it.

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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

I assume that some here will respond that it'll be necessary for trump to issue such broad pardons for himself and his family, including even for future crimes, as protection from vindictive/false prosecution by the deep state, etc. If that's how you feel about it, okay, duly noted. But for the rest of you who support trump, would him pardoning himself before leaving office cause you to reconsider your support?

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For what?

Q: If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask?
A: Questions like this.

Coach Jimbo said:

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What if the world was flat and the moon was made of cheese?

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the moon isn't cheese?

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agjacent said:

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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

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The left impeached him for zero crimes. So yeah, this is just a smart move given the insanity of the left.

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Hell they admitted to the senate they didn't even have evidence of wrong doing

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He can't pardon for future crimes.

And if he pardoned himself, that's an admission of being being guilty later if he was charged. Why would he do that?

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There's no actual precedent for a president pardoning himself, since no president's ever tried it before. There's a DOJ memo from Nixon-times saying that, because no one can serve as their own judge, no one can pardon themselves, but again, it's never been actually tried.

As for why trump would pardon himself, I think the answer's obvious - to stay out of prison. If he did it, I don't think he would care that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so long as it means he won't be federally prosecuted for anything.

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What actual crime are you dreaming up?

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The same thing trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison for - campaign finance violations. Did you forget that trump is "Individual-1"?

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Alabama and Clemson are just as dirty at 80s SMU in football if not more so. 80s tsips even dirtier than 80s SMU.

I'll let you ponder on the relevancy of this information and give you the time to come up with your own conclusions as to why Trump should never face any charges for "crimes" related to campaign "violations".

As far as other crimes you think he's done. Can you list off what crimes you beleive he has engaged in over the last 4 years.

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Not wanting to hijack, and not saying any of the three (other than SMU) are clean by any means, but this is just factually incorrect. SMU took it to an entirely different level. The ADs office was actually HANDING OUT MONTHLY CHECKS (or at least, cash in envelopes)!

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So as long as the cash in envelopes or money to player families isn't run out of the ADs office, its legal?

I wanted OP or someone to make this exact point.

Which proves a point I'm trying to make about people that get busted for campaign finance laws.

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You're being, at best, disingenuous and at worst, dishonest. If you will REREAD what I said, it made clear that I agreed the programs may not be clean. You said the other programs were dirtier than SMU and that's just false. If you knew what was really going on at SMU, you'd know that the cheating was far and above what had been going on at other institutions. Walking around money, booster handshake hundred(s), and the OCCASIONAL rent or car payments were/may be common. Paying 3-5 grand to sign and an additional 200 a month the entire time the player was in school, which is what SMU was doing, was not. Added to the fact that the entire SMU brass (not just the AD but the school leadership) knew about it and was in on it.

I know people that were in the program at the time. You can trust me or not, but there are other materials. Read "A Payroll to Meet" by David Whitford.

I say cool, if it triggers snowflakes.

Trump 2024.

So nice to see so many new faces on F16... was there an election or something?

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He can't pardon for future crimes.

And if he pardoned himself, that's an admission of being being guilty later if he was charged. Why would he do that?

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There's no actual precedent for a president pardoning himself, since no president's ever tried it before. There's a DOJ memo from Nixon-times saying that, because no one can serve as their own judge, no one can pardon themselves, but again, it's never been actually tried.

As for why trump would pardon himself, I think the answer's obvious - to stay out of prison. If he did it, I don't think he would care that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt so long as it means he won't be federally prosecuted for anything.

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What actual crime are you dreaming up?

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The same thing trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, went to prison for - campaign finance violations. Did you forget that trump is "Individual-1"?

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I'm sure he had no"intent"to do whatever he might have done. So nothing to see here. Just ask Hillary.

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What if trump pardons himself before leaving office for any and all crimes he "may" have committed? What if he pardons his children in the same blanket manner? What if he pardons himself and/or his children for any future crimes?

Would any of that change your opinion of him?

I assume that some here will respond that it'll be necessary for trump to issue such broad pardons for himself and his family, including even for future crimes, as protection from vindictive/false prosecution by the deep state, etc. If that's how you feel about it, okay, duly noted. But for the rest of you who support trump, would him pardoning himself before leaving office cause you to reconsider your support?

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Why would he need my support if he wasn't president? Also he did nothing wrong