Will Team Trump send in Rudy the Clown for oral arguments in their Sharpie Lawsuit? When is that being filed?

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

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Boom!
Aggiehawg with the headshot

DannyDuberstein said:

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What kind of ballpoint pen needs longer than a Sharpie to dry? Or more than a few seconds in general? Were these Ben Franklin's ballpoint pens?

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Quill and inkwell

the explanations from some posters for this email are very weak. it doesn't make any sense and Maricopa looks like a bunch of morons

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Then what were the election officials' concerns related to Shapries? Why did she instruct the use of pens for early voting?

If Sharpies were better suited for the job, why recommend pens at all?

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Maybe they had a limited supply of sharpies so they didn't want to waste them during early voting when using a ball point pen worked just as well? Or is that too logical for you? It doesn't matter, the case was thrown out. There were exactly zero witnesses who testified that their vote wasn't counted because they used a sharpie.

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But she didn't say "we have a limited supply of Sharpies, hand out ballpoint pens instead for early voting." She said they heard the "concerns." What were the concerns?

All in-person voting should be conducted the same way. Fill out ballot, put it into the ballot box that counts ballots. The whole "the ballpoint pen doesn't have time to dry" reasoning doesn't make sense.

How does someone know if their ballot was counted or not?

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So if the ink bleeds through and looks like multiple votes in the same race, the ballot gets thrown out.

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where are you getting that a bleed through would look like multiple votes in the same race?

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Because that is what they want to believe, complete fiction. In reality the Trump campaign dropped that claim in court because they knew it was bs. Actually, they dropped all of their claims in court except for a review of the over-vote ballots (ballots who voted for 2 candidates in the same race) which consisted of 191 votes. The campaign finally conceded that point also because 191 votes was not going to change to outcome of the election. The Trump campaign withdrew their lawsuit completely after that point.

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I'd like to see the whole video. I was edited. Kind of like how aggiehawg cut off the quote of my post to create her false narrative. Looked like she was talking about mail-in ballots before the edit (which were fine to use a ball point pen), but it's hard to tell.

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Okay genius, explain the difference between mail-in ballots and election day ballots?

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I'm guessing he would say ail ins have plenty of time for the ink to dry...

I do recall a video of women saying their Sharpie ballot wasn't read. Maybe they were lying or whatever. Idk. But if we have SOME instances of Sharpie's not being read, we can't know how many weren't read.

No matter what, Sharpie-gate doesn't seem like a "gate". Possible human error. Possible machine error. Does not look like intent to spoil ballots

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No matter what, Sharpie-gate doesn't seem like a "gate". Possible human error. Possible machine error. Does not look like intent to spoil ballots

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Ummm, that's exactly what it looks like. The obfuscation on this thread is to make it look like this wasn't the intent.

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I'd like to see the whole video. I was edited. Kind of like how aggiehawg cut off the quote of my post to create her false narrative. Looked like she was talking about mail-in ballots before the edit (which were fine to use a ball point pen), but it's hard to tell.

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Okay genius, explain the difference between mail-in ballots and election day ballots?

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The multiple day journey a mail-in ballot takes to let the ink dry vs. the 15 second walk from where a person fills out their ballot and the tabulation machine that they insert it in?

I don't know about you, but I have fed hundreds of ballpoint pen marked papers through a document feeder into a copy machine which is essentially a scanner that isn't going to be much different that vote counters. Never had a problem. I HAVE had problems with stuff stamped with a rubber stamp, but never a ballpoint pens.

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I'd like to see the whole video. I was edited. Kind of like how aggiehawg cut off the quote of my post to create her false narrative. Looked like she was talking about mail-in ballots before the edit (which were fine to use a ball point pen), but it's hard to tell.

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Okay genius, explain the difference between mail-in ballots and election day ballots?

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The multiple day journey a mail-in ballot takes to let the ink dry vs. the 15 second walk from where a person fills out their ballot and the tabulation machine that they insert it in?

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Funny how this doesn't seem to have been a problem before 2020 and only in Democrat precincts. Do they have special smear pens only available in those counties?

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leftcoastaggie said:

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leftcoastaggie said:

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It was already explained in court. Stop with the BS conspiracies.

Sharpies were used on the day of election because the ink dried faster. The ballots were run through a tabulator right after the voter marked their ballot. Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable. The bubbles on the ballot were intentionally printed so they did not line up so a bleed through would not interfere with a vote on the back. This was already thrown out of court. Ball point pens could be used for early voting because the ink had time to dry before being run through the machine.

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Show me the correspondence in this case that this was the issue.

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It was in the court proceedings. Go look it up. I listened to the call when it was thrown out of court.

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Sorry I can't accept your word about listening to the phone call. Nor do I have the time and resources to look up court transcripts for evidence that the poll troubleshooters expressed the concerns with ball point pens that you have claimed. That may be on me.

But, it doesn't matter if there is really a problem with the markers or not. She BELIEVES there is a problem and instructs her minions to take action based on that belief. I am not a lawyer so I don't know the legal implications of this, but the intent to me is quite clear unless it can be documented that the issue with the markers and not the ballpoints is something else that is unknown at this point.


Also, these machines have been around a long time. If there is a problem with ballpoint pens smearing, then this issue would have been known for along time. Surely the instructions for operating these machines would have been well established to say NOT to use a pen that would smear. Why hasn't this been an issue brought up before?

I did a quick search on Duck Duck for "ballot marking instructions" and in the top ten results, NO instructions said anything about not using ball point pens, but two results explicitly said to use ball point pens or not to use markers.

This ink smearing explanation is weak as hell. If it was a problem then it would have always been a problem and it would have been widely understood or accommodated by now. and AGAIN, she said the problem was with the markers NOT the pens.

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Well, I tried to tell you what happen but you won't believe me and on top of that you're unwilling (or too lazy) to find out the truth on your own so there isn't much more I can do. I can only lead you to the pond, it's up to you to take a drink.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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I did not edit anything he posted. If he edited after I quoted him, that's on him not me.

I thought you knew me better than that.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You didn't quote me, you edited my quote to say something I didn't day. I've always cut you some slack since you are a board favorite, but that really showed your true colors. Pretty pathetic.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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Are the votes tabulated early in Arizona?

I don't see how the early ballots would be scanned immediately like they are when you vote that day

But defend it

It's cool

More justification for complaining any state he lost in 2020 that he won in 2016 is because cheating...

You didn't take me to the pond. You just said there is a pond out there somewhere if I can find it. Sorry, I don't know how to find the court transcripts you mention. Google search isn't turning up anything that I can find specifically for that, but maybe it's my search terms or whatever.

There are many other points made here that haven't been satisfactorily addressed beyond just whether or not court documents record what "concerns" the troubleshooters had with the markers if those records exists as you have stated.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You didn't quote me, you edited my quote to say something I didn't day. I've always cut you some slack since you are a board favorite, but that really showed your true colors. Pretty pathetic.

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Show your original post and then show the "edited" post

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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I did not edit anything he posted. If he edited after I quoted him, that's on him not me.

I thought you knew me better than that.

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Well the post you quoted hasn't been edited, so yes it is on you.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You didn't quote me, you edited my quote to say something I didn't day. I've always cut you some slack since you are a board favorite, but that really showed your true colors. Pretty pathetic.

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The post you quoted has no edits to it

Is he magically able to edit without it saying it?

leftcoastaggie said:

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It was already explained in court. Stop with the BS conspiracies.

Sharpies were used on the day of election because the ink dried faster. The ballots were run through a tabulator right after the voter marked their ballot. Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable. The bubbles on the ballot were intentionally printed so they did not line up so a bleed through would not interfere with a vote on the back. This was already thrown out of court. Ball point pens could be used for early voting because the ink had time to dry before being run through the machine.

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Good Lord man, you're embarassing yourself here. Well come to think of it that isn't surprising but anyway, I digress.

Grab yourself a piece of paper. Grab yourself a Sharpie. Then rustle up a ball point pen.
Make a big ol' sloppy dot on the paper with each pen.
Immediately try to smear both.

Neither smear.

You fail.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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and make it inoperable.

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Are the votes tabulated early in Arizona?

I don't see how the early ballots would be scanned immediately like they are when you vote that day

But defend it

It's cool

More justification for complaining any state he lost in 2020 that he won in 2016 is because cheating...

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I've come to like you....a little. But you are going to have another rough 4 years.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You didn't quote me, you edited my quote to say something I didn't day. I've always cut you some slack since you are a board favorite, but that really showed your true colors. Pretty pathetic.

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Show your original post and then show the "edited" post

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You can look for yourself and see that my post that she quoted wasn't edited.

leftcoastaggie said:

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It was already explained in court. Stop with the BS conspiracies.

Sharpies were used on the day of election because the ink dried faster. The ballots were run through a tabulator right after the voter marked their ballot. Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable. The bubbles on the ballot were intentionally printed so they did not line up so a bleed through would not interfere with a vote on the back. This was already thrown out of court. Ball point pens could be used for early voting because the ink had time to dry before being run through the machine.

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LOL

Um, I use both daily and that answer is sofa king ruhtarded as to be a joke if not meant to be an actual answer.

Oh Chit!

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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and make it inoperable.

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Are the votes tabulated early in Arizona?

I don't see how the early ballots would be scanned immediately like they are when you vote that day

But defend it

It's cool

More justification for complaining any state he lost in 2020 that he won in 2016 is because cheating...

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I've come to like you....a little. But you are going to have another rough 4 years.

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I voted for neither one

Life changes very little based on President

What matters is the legislature

If cheating happened, send them to prison

But I don't see how this is cheating. All ballots were counted, pen or sharpie

leftcoastaggie said:

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It was already explained in court. Stop with the BS conspiracies.

Sharpies were used on the day of election because the ink dried faster. The ballots were run through a tabulator right after the voter marked their ballot. Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable. The bubbles on the ballot were intentionally printed so they did not line up so a bleed through would not interfere with a vote on the back. This was already thrown out of court. Ball point pens could be used for early voting because the ink had time to dry before being run through the machine.

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That's what aggiehawg quoted.

Before they were Sharpies, they were called Magic Markers....

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leftcoastaggie said:

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It was already explained in court. Stop with the BS conspiracies.

Sharpies were used on the day of election because the ink dried faster. The ballots were run through a tabulator right after the voter marked their ballot. Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable. The bubbles on the ballot were intentionally printed so they did not line up so a bleed through would not interfere with a vote on the back. This was already thrown out of court. Ball point pens could be used for early voting because the ink had time to dry before being run through the machine.

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Good Lord man, you're embarassing yourself here. Well come to think of it that isn't surprising but anyway, I digress.

Grab yourself a piece of paper. Grab yourself a Sharpie. Then rustle up a ball point pen.
Make a big ol' sloppy dot on the paper with each pen.
Immediately try to smear both.

Neither smear.

You fail.

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I am sure that you might be able to find SOME pens that you could run your finger across and smear. But the issue isn't really that, the issue is can the MACHINES cause an ink blot to smear. Try THAT experiment with your scanner or copy machine.

edit: added 'issue'

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So explain why pens were ever needed

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This is the big thing.

The executive is the most powerful branch...it controls the administrative state.

If you havent paid attention to the size of the administrative state in the last 25 years, including case law relating to same, then I dont know what to tell you.

Administrative agencies are given HUGE deference to interpret their empowering legislation and administrative rules. It is nearly impossible to prevail on a suit against an administrative agency.

Legislation does nothing.

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Using a ball point pen would allow the sill wet ink to gum up the tabulator and make it inoperable.

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So you have just admitted that the early voting ballots marked with a pen were not counted.

Thank you.

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Not remotely cool to make up what he posted

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I didn't make up what he posted. I quoted him and then made fun of how dumb it sounded.

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You edited what he posted and then made up an argument based on what you edited

Not remotely acceptable

He never once implied those ballots were not counted.

You made that up

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I did not edit anything he posted. If he edited after I quoted him, that's on him not me.

I thought you knew me better than that.

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Where is it implied they were not counted because they were marked with ball point pens?

You made this up