For those thinking it is impossible for the polls to shift so much, Abrams got something like close 49% of the votes in her losing bid for governor.

You don't think her being to register 6 figures more voters could not have an effect on this election?

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My wife has met Stacy Abrams during a leadership event. She was with about 20 other women from all over the country. She said that 18 of the 20 absolutely lost their minds meeting her and worshipped her as if she was Oprah.

I had never even heard of her until she lost her gubernatorial race when suddenly she was ordained the second coming by the leftist media. My wife and one other were very confused by the adulation and she said it was pretty disgusting and that Abrams was unimpressive.

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Abrams is basically a cardboard cutout that gets MASSIVE funding from rich leftists to spout outright lies about voter suppression. She is a hero when she should be a joke. My wife can't stand her but a lot of "The View" type women just follow like sheep so they can feel like they are supporting the cool candidate because the MSM tells them she is when the emperor has no clothes. Her main qualifications are she is a black woman, that's about it.

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That's been my impression. She was ordained as legitimate because of her melanin and gender is pretty much what I gather.

No one knew of her until she lost an election and now she's a legitimate political celebrity. Makes sense.

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I dig into GAs history of voting. Are we really to believe that Biden Had such a ground game that he flipped the state that has voted republican since forever.

He'll Romney won the state in 2012 with 53%. 2016 trump won by over 400k


Now Biden encouraged nearly 700k additional voters from 2016 to vote for him?

"Just accept the results"

https://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/georgia/

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The steal is so obvious. The left and media were even signaling where they were most hoping to steal the election - GA, PA, FL, TX. "If all the ballots are counted, Kamala and I will be ruled the winner in PA." That's actually how Biden worded it.

Its so obvious GA doesn't make sense and that mail-in-ballots are the reason. And as a ruck driver who has been through/to Atlanta many times the last couple years, I would NEVER live there. It is a hole.

Hopefully the recounts prove this. If not, welcome to Amerika under Joe Biden, komrades. Masks, lock downs and windmills for everyone..

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Georgia has absentee ballots, not mail-in. Exact same as in years past. The kind Trump approved and uses himself.

Atlanta is not a hell hole. I lived in Midtown Atlanta for years and it was nice, but expensive. The traffic is awful going from one part of Atlanta to another. But most weekends in Midtown, I'd park my car after work on Friday and not use it again until Monday.

The "brown" people are increasing in numbers and they tend to vote democratic. That, and Stacey Abrams has been on a registration push.

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This was stolen. Pure and simple. The "I don't like Trump" factor is a weak and uninformed vote. The vast majority of Americans are better off now than they have been any other time in their lives, and they know who directly impacted that reality: the big evil mean bad orange man.

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If you were saying this a year ago, or even in January, this would be true.

But Covid changed all of that. Shutting down economies in most states unemployed huge numbers of people, shuttered thousands of businesses (many permanently) and fundamentally scared the hell out of a lot of people either about the economy, the virus, or both.

You can blame China, the media, democrat governors in blue states, bad luck or whatever you want, but it can't be ignored.

The Georgia recount is just that. A recount. It's not an audit. They are not checking signatures, addresses, etc. It's a farce.

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This is why I have remained pessimistic and largely out of this discussion.

The machine has too much momentum.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

The only thing would be if it finds a discrepancy with paper vs machine counted dominion votes right?

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I met Stacey Abrams when she came to talk to my county bar association. While I don't like her politics and voted for Kemp, she was very impressive and gave a good speech. I wouldn't be surprised if she runs for Governor or senate.

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Wouldn't surprise me at all to see her as Kamala's VP pick when/if Biden steps aside. I think Biden interviewed her for his VP before settling on Kamala. Reward for her help in delivering GA.

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I think you're right. People act like she's just out of nowhere, but she's led the house minority in Georgia for years. Yale Law and a masters from t.u. Her resume is impressive. I hope republicans field a better candidate than Trump.

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I met Stacey Abrams when she came to talk to my county bar association. While I don't like her politics and voted for Kemp, she was very impressive and gave a good speech. I wouldn't be surprised if she runs for Governor or senate.

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Wouldn't surprise me at all to see her as Kamala's VP pick when/if Biden steps aside. I think Biden interviewed her for his VP before settling on Kamala. Reward for her help in delivering GA.

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I think you're right. People act like she's just out of nowhere, but she's led the house minority in Georgia for years. Yale Law and a masters from t.u. Her resume is impressive. I hope republicans field a better candidate than Trump.

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And she seemed to be able to work with the Republican governor on several major things

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

Math isn't your major and neither is statistics. It is statisticly impossible that the random events that cheating democrats want us to believe happened actually randomly happened. They did not happen randomly. Stacey Abram cheaters harvested ballots for the better part of a month, filled out the ballots and mailed them. It was too much effort to complete the down ballot portion of the ballot so they just checked Biden.

It miraculously only happened in swing states and has NEVER happened before. If we stop the fraudulent voting without chain of custody it will never happen again. Let's contact every voter of submitted ballots in Fulton county and Dekalb county Georgia to ask them if they acutally voted and for whom did they vote. This alone would give Trump a 5 point win in Georgia. You can't count a ballot when the voter says they have no recollection of voting.

I don't give a rip what you or anyone else says or thinks if you don't agree. I don't need to become stupid to be your friend. And you are correct...the math doesn't lie!

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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Like cheating.

And I'm not only relying on just rallies but overt support, in a world where that can sometimes be dangerous with the innate violence of the left.

There is no way in hell he got this much legit support. There just isn't.

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The only thing would be if it finds a discrepancy with paper vs machine counted dominion votes right?

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Not sure. I checked out of the details on Georgia recounts.

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I met Stacey Abrams when she came to talk to my county bar association. While I don't like her politics and voted for Kemp, she was very impressive and gave a good speech. I wouldn't be surprised if she runs for Governor or senate.

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Wouldn't surprise me at all to see her as Kamala's VP pick when/if Biden steps aside. I think Biden interviewed her for his VP before settling on Kamala. Reward for her help in delivering GA.

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I think you're right. People act like she's just out of nowhere, but she's led the house minority in Georgia for years. Yale Law and a masters from t.u. Her resume is impressive. I hope republicans field a better candidate than Trump.

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There is no doubt the Dems consider her a rising star. I think she gave the rebuttal to the SotU back in 2017 or something to help increase her profile.

These are GOP officials actively working against the GOP and a transparent, trustworthy election process.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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H e l l o , H e l l o !

Are you keeping up?

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The unwillingness of the GOP officials in Georgia - the Governor and Secretary of State - to actually do the work is puzzling.

It's as if they want to lose their next elections.

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If you look at the trends in Georgia, they may be acquiescing to their primary constituents. Georgia is the next Virginia the way it's going.

ATL runs the state. Good chance it goes blue permanently going forward.

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My wife has met Stacy Abrams during a leadership event. She was with about 20 other women from all over the country. She said that 18 of the 20 absolutely lost their minds meeting her and worshipped her as if she was Oprah.

I had never even heard of her until she lost her gubernatorial race when suddenly she was ordained the second coming by the leftist media. My wife and one other were very confused by the adulation and she said it was pretty disgusting and that Abrams was unimpressive.

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Oprah herself is unimpressive. The amount of people with true larger than life personalities is very small. Trump happens to be one of them. These people are very rare in general and usually end up being leaders of countries. Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil is another, so is Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines, as is Xi Jinping of China. Nigel Farage is one in the UK, but he gave up after Brexit.

The main commonality between these people is populism. Whether they are left or right wing populists, they all have an immense amount of gravitas that draws people to them with an ability to speak off the cuff and come across as a person of the people. This is why Obama does not qualify despite his popularity. Bill Clinton had the ability, which is why he beat the elder Bush. Reagan also had it in spades.

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The unwillingness of the GOP officials in Georgia - the Governor and Secretary of State - to actually do the work is puzzling.

It's as if they want to lose their next elections.

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Their refusal to push hard for full blown audit is mindblowing when the numbers are so close in GA. As it stands now, the only hope for flipping it is if this Dominion thing is a thing and they find a bunch of Trump votes were switched to Biden. But all the other stuff won't get scrutinized (dead voting, signature mismatches, no signatures, etc)

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I met Stacey Abrams when she came to talk to my county bar association. While I don't like her politics and voted for Kemp, she was very impressive and gave a good speech. I wouldn't be surprised if she runs for Governor or senate.

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Wouldn't surprise me at all to see her as Kamala's VP pick when/if Biden steps aside. I think Biden interviewed her for his VP before settling on Kamala. Reward for her help in delivering GA.

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I think you're right. People act like she's just out of nowhere, but she's led the house minority in Georgia for years. Yale Law and a masters from t.u. Her resume is impressive. I hope republicans field a better candidate than Trump.

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Becoming less impressive with each passing year with academia's continued decline.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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Like cheating.

And I'm not only relying on just rallies but overt support, in a world where that can sometimes be dangerous with the innate violence of the left.

There is no way in hell he got this much legit support. There just isn't.

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These arguments are more about the denial of reality to protect a philosophical world view, than they are about the possibility of widespread fraud.

As if those constituents will ever vote for anyone with an R next to their name.

The only way to save Georgia is to dismantle the Atlanta machine.

The GOP in Florida did JUST THAT with the south Florida Dem machine and their dirty election officials. Now the state is redder than Georgia. And guess what? No mysteriously delayed counts from Broward, Palm Beach, or Miami-Dade, and no ever-changing totals of outstanding or newly discovered ballots well after polls closed.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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HIllary actually drew some large crowds and had a very loyal group of followers. It wasn't as much as Trump but it was sure as hell a lot more than Biden.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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H e l l o , H e l l o !

Are you keeping up?

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Oh yeah, I forgot. Widespread Fraud happened in 2016 to and the Trump administration couldn't find any evidence of it during the last 4 years. Maybe Trump is part of the deep state as well. Lol

Honestly the delusion is comical. The meltdown on January 20th is going to be incredible.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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HIllary actually drew some large crowds and had a very loyal group of followers. It wasn't as much as Trump but it was sure as hell a lot more than Biden.

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Tell me, can hatred of a candidate encourage people to vote against them just as much as excitement for a candidate can encourage people to vote for them?

It's seems people on here only want to look at one factor.

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Abrams registered 800,000 voters.

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And you believe this. I have some desert land to sell you east of Valdosta.

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Go look it up, back date google, this was news before the election, not just after they got 700,000 more votes....

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As if those constituents will ever vote for anyone with an R next to their name.

The only way to save Georgia is to dismantle the Atlanta machine.

The GOP in Florida did JUST THAT with the south Florida Dem machine and their dirty election officials. Now the state is redder than Georgia.

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Arguably a different era though when the right still had the ability and were-withal to do something about it. Things have changed dramatically and rapidly in this country. Plus, Florida has more distributed power bases than Georgia. It feels like Florida lucked out and just beat the critical mass turning point in their own state of the left infesting and taking over fundamental institutions.

With ATL as the lone power base in that state and it being deep blue, I'm not sure Georgia powers elsewhere in the state have enough to dislodge those ticks.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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HIllary actually drew some large crowds and had a very loyal group of followers. It wasn't as much as Trump but it was sure as hell a lot more than Biden.

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Tell me, can dislike of a candidate encourage people to vote against just as much as excitement for a candidate can encourage people to vote for them?

It's seems people on here only want to look at one factor.

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I think it can and the hatred of Trump was pretty powerful. However, its usually not the norm that it is enough of a motivator to win elections (see Bush v Kerry 2004; Obama v Romney 2012). Usually when you have a popular encumbent its enough to overcome the hate. The hate for Trump may be unprecedented but I don't think it was powerful enough to explain Biden getting record turnout. Mail in ballots are probably the real reason.

But that's my opinion only.

They still have the statewide offices. They still have the legislature. It's now or never. Roll over and become the next Illinois at their own peril.

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The arrogance of people on this site who refuse to believe it's possible for the majority of the country to disagree with them is quite astounding.

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I voted for "None Of The Above" and I don't believe the numbers, anywhere, at all. Biden had zero (0) ground game. He couldn't fill small venues, Trump had to turn people away.

So...yeah...can't believe the made-up numbers when you apply reality and logic.

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Hillary couldn't fill a stadium either, yet she still got 3 million more votes than Trump did. If we went just based on Rally attendance Trump should've won by 10 million plus votes.

Rally attendance is not a good predictor of electoral turnout. People need to stop judging elections and campaigns based on standards from the 90s. We live in the virtual age now. Much of what used to be done in person, can now be done remotely.

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H e l l o , H e l l o !

Are you keeping up?

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Oh yeah, I forgot. Widespread Fraud happened in 2016 to and the Trump administration couldn't find any evidence of it during the last 4 years. Maybe Trump is part of the deep state as well. Lol

Honestly the delusion is comical. The meltdown on January 20th is going to be incredible.

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Don't ignore your own side who claimed incessantly and still do that Russia, Russia, Russia stole the election from Hillary. We heard much more about that than claims from the right on fraud.

Come on, man!

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They still have the statewide offices. They still have the legislature. It's now or never. Become the next Illinois.

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Agreed. I'm pessimistic though.