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I'm going to disagree with 90% in a precinct is a marker for fraud. Just the way districts are drawn, there can be heavily Republican or heavily Democrat precincts in said districts. Look at Gilmer and Glascock Counties in Georgia. I'm willing to bet there's a precinct there with 90% over Trump. What they should look at is deviations from past historical performance. Fulton County went for the Democrat candidate at 59%, 67%, 65%, 69% and 72% in the past 5 presidential elections. The question is what drove that change? Turnout? Vote harvesting? Demographic changes?

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Fair point but that 90% marker is not the sole data point these experts looked at.

The Edison Research data feed in real time shows additions and subtractions to total votes, in person votes and mail-in votes.

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Edison Research provided the live Edison reports for the 2020 election. According to its website Edison Research provided the NEP with a fast and accurate vote count throughout the nation, providing data for all statewide races and all House races. The national media outlets used the Edison data to report on and project national and state races.

When you see the data manipulation going on within the official data sets provided to the media there is no doubt that the 2020 Election results in the state were manipulated.

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Watch the video at the bottom of the Link

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You're right, the 90% marker might wasn't the sole data point these "Experts" looked at, but they didn't look much past it. If they had, they would have discovered that these same precincts in Fulton and DeKalb counties that were >90% Biden in 2020 were also >90% Abrams in 2018 and >90% Clinton in 2016, as taken from the GA SOS website they apparently got their data from.

So, in their "Expert opinion" a result on >90% for one candidate indicates "a marker for fraud" but nobody thought there was fraud in these precincts in 2018 or 2016. It sounds as if their "Expert opinion" isn't worth the paper it's printed on. In fact, the data they are relying on to make this accusation indicates their premise is fake. Easily proven by the data. I would expect an "Expert" to realize that.

So, these "Experts" lead their report with a fake premise. It's obvious that they don't expect their audience to question their opinions, since when you preach to the choir, you don't expect them to be critical. So, if their strongest claim is fake, how can you trust their "Expertise" to carry any weight?

This it the problem with all of the "Election Fraud" claims. So much of what those who are pushing this narrative is obvious BS, it is difficult to believe any of it. If there was any "Good Evidence" why do they hide behind sensational, but easily proven to be false accusations? If they were dealing in truth, they wouldn't have to.

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Why wouldn't there be fraud in previous elections? No one followed up in the first two cases became those candidates lost in spite of the suspected fraud. In the case of Biden, the difference between Biden and Trump winning the state was a few tens of thousands of votes. In this case fraudulent districts could have influenced the winner of the election.

If one wanted to steal a national election, major metro areas in swing states where fraudulent voting practices are well established would be the areas to focus.

Your argument really doesn't stand up to reason.

Is Sandia man worth blocking? I just pass by his posts, just wondering who else ignores him.

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Is Sandia man worth blocking? I just pass by his posts, just wondering who else ignores him.

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I blocked him after ms hawg reminded me of that feature a couple weeks ago.

Hawg,

You are correct. The video walked through the process.

• Runbeck built ballot based on spec provided by MCBoE
• MCBoE provided voter lists
• Runbeck would print each "packet" that had ballot, instructions, envelopes, etc
• Runbeck would scan each double checking address, barcode, and weight
• Runbeck would deliver to post office for delivery to voters
• As the voters returned their completed ballots, they would arrive at postal facility and head back to Runbeck
• Runbeck would weigh, validate, etc and split into "validated" or "challenged" groups (I forgot the exact term they used.
• Runbeck would then deliver both to MCBoE
• MCBoE would process the validated and then review the challenged.

This was ll their "value add" to protect chain of custody and help by organizing the effort for MCBoE.

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Hawg,

You are correct. The video walked through the process.

• Runbeck built ballot based on spec provided by MCBoE
• MCBoE provided voter lists
• Runbeck would print each "packet" that had ballot, instructions, envelopes, etc
• Runbeck would scan each double checking address, barcode, and weight
• Runbeck would deliver to post office for delivery to voters
• As the voters returned their completed ballots, they would arrive at postal facility and head back to Runbeck
• Runbeck would weigh, validate, etc and split into "validated" or "challenged" groups (I forgot the exact term they used.
• Runbeck would then deliver both to MCBoE
• MCBoE would process the validated and then review the challenged.

This was ll their "value add" to protect chain of custody and help by organizing the effort for MCBoE.

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And the barcode was specifically tied to a discrete voter. Having both the voter roll database and the list of ballots returned complete with which individual voters had returned ballots for comparison? Who in the world would ever think that was a good idea?

Then when you top all of that off with ballots arriving at the counting center from Runbeck for up to ten days after the election? Was the same signature verification system still in use for all of those or not?

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And the barcode was specifically tied to a discrete voter. Having both the voter roll database and the list of ballots returned complete with which individual voters had returned ballots for comparison? Who in the world would ever think that was a good idea?

Then when you top all of that off with ballots arriving at the counting center from Runbeck for up to ten days after the election? Was the same signature verification system still in use for all of those or not?

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I don't remember for those being returned "after" election day. I have slept a bit since then

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And the barcode was specifically tied to a discrete voter. Having both the voter roll database and the list of ballots returned complete with which individual voters had returned ballots for comparison? Who in the world would ever think that was a good idea?

Then when you top all of that off with ballots arriving at the counting center from Runbeck for up to ten days after the election? Was the same signature verification system still in use for all of those or not?

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I don't remember for those being returned "after" election day. I have slept a bit since then

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Neither do I. I do not remember any mention of signature verification for any ballots after election day. But that could be attributed to a lack of GOP observers being directed to do so as that article suggests.

One other thing I remember from the Ninja audit was former Sec of State Blackwell commenting on the absence of numbering for duplicate ballots replacing "spolied" ballots so that voter intent could be matched. That was especially egregious in the instance of Braille Ballots. Those are in a book which obviously cannot be run through a tabulator, a duplicate ballot would have to be created to count those votes. If there were, they weren't identifiable.

I have all but given up on trying to make sense of this process. It is so overly complicated and yet so easily compromised. Millions of dollars spent putting something in place for the appearance of a secure process when it is anything but.

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I have all but given up on trying to make sense of this process. It is so overly complicated and yet so easily compromised. Millions of dollars spent putting something in place for the appearance of a secure process when it is anything but.

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Well, remember the Iowa Caucuses when they couldn't even manage to count heads accurately?

Shouldn't laugh but heavens people are dumb and when it comes to elections they go certifiable on the lowest ends of the IQ scale.

Sydney Powell sighting

https://twitter.com/jovanhpulitzer/status/1549764479042428931?s=21&t=pNDLZZDbR9n1JoMd1Zj***

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The election of George W. Bush in Ohio in 2004 was a microcosm of 2020. The Democrats screamed about computer fraud, and based primarily on the difference in exit polls versus the votes counted, their lawyers filed a lawsuit which alleged, inter alia:

• George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Ken Blackwell and others "participated personally and/or substantially 'in devising and/or implementing [a] pattern of vote fraud and discrimination * * * which operated to deprive numerous Ohio citizens of their constitutional and statutory rights." They had a "plan to steal the election." Petition at 15, 28.
• The legitimate result was changed to a fraudulent result by "gaining physical or electronic access to the tabulating machines and systems" such as by modem," Id. at 30.
• The "confederate of (the Republicans) who was actually changing the vote totals did not need access to the computer. Electronic access can be obtained from almost anywhere in the world. . ." Id. at 30-31.
• Fraudulent acts included "erasing or falsifying the electronic audit trail which could show access to the computer and the spreadsheet." Id. at 31.
• A second means of changing the result included "by inserting unauthorized and so far undetected operating instructions into the software" used in connection with voting machines," and,
• "(S)ome or all of the unauthorized operating instructions were pre-set to delete themselves a given amount of time after the election." 1 Id. at 31.
• "(A)t least 130,613 votes were taken from Kerry- Edwards and given to Bush-Cheney." at 33-35.

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Guess who filed a brief in support of the lawyers who filed this election fraud petition? Who argued vehemently (and correctly) that those lawyers who challenged the 2004 election should not be sanctioned?

None other than January 6 Committee members Zoe Lofgren and Adam Schiff, plus Democrats Maxine Waters, and former Congressmen John Conyers, Jerry Nadler, and many others.

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How long has computerized voting and vote counting to defraud Americans of their sacred votes and install whomever the puppet masters prefer as President of the greatest power on earth? Who are the oligarchs making these decisions?
Our elections simply cannot be about who cheats the best. What if the Democrats were right about Ohio in 2004?
Was Bush elected in Ohio by tactics that have now been perfected and used in multiple states? Who else was?
How long has it been since the American people really elected their presidentor other officials?
How deeply and widely has the machine fraud infected elections at every level of our Republic and the states?

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Welcome to the party, Sidney. I have serious doubts that Bush won in 2004 too. But it is the aftermath that draws a direct line from Diebold DREs to 2020's Dominion BMD's. And the software and hardware that was in use in 2004 is partially still in use.

That happened after 2004. Diebold was under scrutiny and went through a name change to Premier Voting Systems but still were struggling. Competitor ES&S bought them out, including machines software and existing contracts for election services. A couple of years later the Holder Justice Department forced ES &S to divest that business to a newly formed American company, Dominion. Again, hardware, software, existing contracts were transferred.

Some of those older Diebold machines and processes from 2004 are still in use, primarily in the NE. Dominion has contracted with one company in the NE to service those machines and contracts.

$50,000 Reward for Evidence of Vote Buying in the Arizona 2022 Primary Election.

See details below: pic.twitter.com/B3Kolw0nR6

— Republican Party of Arizona (@AZGOP) July 21, 2022

Wonder what took them so long.....

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Wonder what took them so long.....

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Would seem to me that effort would have been more useful during the audit last year? I know they were trying to canvass to ferret out some of that info but of course demon spawn Sec of State, Hobbs screamed voter intimidation! Way after the election. How is it voter intimdation if it can't possibly have affected their vote months and months before?

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Wonder what took them so long.....

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Would seem to me that effort would have been more useful during the audit last year? I know they were trying to canvass to ferret out some of that info but of course demon spawn Sec of State, Hobbs screamed voter intimidation! Way after the election. How is it voter intimdation if it can't possibly have affected their vote months and moths before?

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It is like SEO (search engine optimization)....MSM-EO, it helps maximize victim-status, news coverage, and disinformation power by using key words like "voter intimidation/supression" "systemic racism" "xenophobia" etc etc. It doesn't have to be real, but you get more air time with more victim points.

We need to come up with catchy labels of our own...

VoterGA (Garland Favorito's outfit) has a video on rumble. Interesting. Missing ballot images rampant in Georgia.

At the bottom of the Link

Trailer for Laura Logan movie coming out next month.

[S]ELECTION CODE movie 🎥 pic.twitter.com/W1RMdukLuz

— Merissa Hansen 🇺🇸 (@MerissaHansen17) July 22, 2022

Jeebus! Maricopa County again. Early voting for the August primary is going on.

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According to the Maricopa County Recorder's Office, over 275,000 ballots have already been returned and counted.

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The last day to request an early ballot is Friday.

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Jeebus! Maricopa County again. Early voting for the August primary is going on.

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According to the Maricopa County Recorder's Office, over 275,000 ballots have already been returned and counted.

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Counted? Why have they been counted? By whom? The way that is phrased sounds like all 275,000 are mail ins.

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Arrgh!

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Until people go to prison for a long time, years if not decades, this bull**** will continue.

I've decided I'm following this thread until November. If there isn't a red sweep I'm going to start a "alternatives to living in the US" thread. There we will entertain the idea of becoming an ex pat, dual citizenship, or secession. Because that discussion seems more productive than wanting those is power to police themselves.

Sorry for being a downer. It's depressing that we are this close to midterms and watching it all play out again.

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I've decided I'm following this thread until November. If there isn't a red sweep I'm going to start a "alternatives to living in the US" thread. There we will entertain the idea of becoming an ex pat, dual citizenship, or secession. Because that discussion seems more productive than wanting those is power to police themselves.

Sorry for being a downer. It's depressing that we are this close to midterms and watching it all play out again.

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If you really want to be depressed, watch the VoterGA video I posted supra. Georgia, particularly Fulton County was a complete clusterf***. Missing ballot images, missing chain of custody, tabulator tapes uniwtnessed as required by law, duplicate tabulator tapes, none of the supposed "recounts" matched, software glitches that cause one provisional ballot to cause the tabulators to not count the rest of the ballots in that batch which was undetectable without a hand recount of the number of ballots in a batch, at the time of tabulation, and on and on.

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I've decided I'm following this thread until November. If there isn't a red sweep I'm going to start a "alternatives to living in the US" thread. There we will entertain the idea of becoming an ex pat, dual citizenship, or secession. Because that discussion seems more productive than wanting those is power to police themselves.

Sorry for being a downer. It's depressing that we are this close to midterms and watching it all play out again.

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If you really want to be depressed, watch the VoterGA video I posted supra. Georgia, particularly Fulton County was a complete clusterf***. Missing ballot images, missing chain of custody, tabulator tapes uniwtnessed as required by law, duplicate tabulator tapes, none of the supposed "recounts" matched, software glitches that cause one provisional ballot to cause the tabulators to not count the rest of the ballots in that batch which was undetectable without a hand recount of the number of ballots in a batch, at the time of tabulation, and on and on.

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I hear Latvia is trying to get rid of all bureaucracy. Might be time to start checking into residency programs.

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Jeebus! Maricopa County again. Early voting for the August primary is going on.

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According to the Maricopa County Recorder's Office, over 275,000 ballots have already been returned and counted.

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Counted? Why have they been counted? By whom? The way that is phrased sounds like all 275,000 are mail ins.

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Again what? Arizona counts early, after signature verification completed.

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After early ballots have been processed to confirm the voter's identity, the ballots are transmitted to the early ballot board which consists of volunteers of opposite party affiliations, they then remove the ballot from the affidavit envelope and prepare to transmit the ballot to the tabulation room. Once the ballots have been transmitted to the tabulation room, election staff begins running the ballots through the tabulators. The ballot tabulation room is required by law to have a live feed so voters can watch all of the activity during tabulation.

For ballots that have been tabulated at the voting location, after the polls closed, the poll worker or sheriff deputies, transmit the removable media that contains the results recorded at the voting location and transmit those results to the central count location. The election official then loads those results into the secure election management system and aggregates the vote totals for all voting locations. Link

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The article did not provide a source, but I was curious and found this tweet from Maricopa.

Early ballot returns are in for this week's #TallyTuesday! More than 230,000 ballots have been signature verified and are on their way to tabulation! Make sure to track your ballot at https://t.co/5s1LMkj9ep! pic.twitter.com/dnnHgV9T1N

— Maricopa County Elections Department (@MaricopaVote) July 19, 2022

The phrasing of the tweet leads me to believe its all early ballots (for that week in Maricopa), that were signature verified and sent off for tabulation. Regardless, that isn't clear and these tweets annoy me, as does posting "unofficial" results (see below).

• July 5: Voter registration deadline.
• July 6: Early voting starts.
• July 22: Last day to request absentee ballot.
• July 26: "Mail back your ballot by Tuesday, July 26"
• July 29: Last day to vote early in person.
• Election Day, Tuesday August 2.

Voters have the option to get updates on their ballot via text or email.

Looks also like Maricopa will "post unofficial results until all ballots have been tabulated", which is odd phrasing to say they will be posting unofficial results online in batches, here: link

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Some breakdown of what y'all are discussing.

Not able to know who each person voted on, but can probably assume 90% or more per party voted with the party.

Worth noting: Pima + Maricopa are 75% of registered voters, but 84% of returned ballots.
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— John Couvillon (@WinWithJMC) July 22, 2022

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Looks also like Maricopa will "post unofficial results until all ballots have been tabulated", which is odd phrasing to say they will be posting unofficial results online in batches, here:

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Can you do simple math? Did you not know that the counting center received and counted thousands and thousands of ballots for ten days or more after the election in 2020? Against the law?

Do a deep dive and I mean read everything about Runbeck Election Services n Maricopa County and then tell me you are fine with that privatizing of elections to unaccountable companies like they are. If everything was on the up and up in 2020, they would have been front and center, loudly proclaiming their "fully auditable processes" showed that.

If you had to learn about the name "Runbeck" from this thread or another election thread, you are already behind.

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I simply asked you, "again what?", after you said:

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Jeebus! Maricopa County again. Early voting for the August primary is going on.

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You didn't answer. But I assumed, when you stated the following, you questioned whether or not the county should be counting:

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Counted? Why have they been counted? By whom? The way that is phrased sounds like all 275,000 are mail ins.

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Then I went on to provide simple dates, some references, and my assessment of the poorly phrased tweet. What simple math have I missed, dear? The dates?

Counting ballots for ten days or more is not "against the law?" in Arizona, if you are genuinely asking.

In fact, its been the norm in Maricopa County for some time for anyone paying attention pre-2020 given the size of the county, Arizona's heat, senior population, etc. 10 days to finish counting in 2016. 14 days to finish in 2018. Etc. Etc.

Maricopa is the second largest voting jurisdiction in the country and represents more than 60 percent of Arizona's registered voters. That's a lot of votes to count. Always has been. Good thing they are allowed to start counting early!

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Username checks out.

It would take much more than the 2 days since his account was created to catch up on this thread alone. Makes me wonder if this account has some sort of ulterior motive.

Well, that is one way to build consensus. Desperate to get more people to believe the **** you are shoveling? Start a new account, repeat same crap, star your previous posts, and profit. Works for twitter.

Also worth noting; while Reps have a current lead with mail ballots returned, only 4300/88K (or 5%) ballots have been returned from PB/Miami-Dade/Broward/Orange/Hillsborough. IOW, I expect a Dem lead amongst VBMers next week as those ballots are returned.
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— John Couvillon (@WinWithJMC) July 23, 2022