*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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Getting Zuck would be like getting Capone, so that's highly unlikely as you allude to.

But, he and Jack's algos "coerced" people to vote for Biden (and other dems), and Veritas uncovered the left's foot-soldiers doing the same here in San Antonio with their "Are you suuure you want to vote xyz? Last time, you voted xyz"' nonsense.

Anyhow, I really like the word "coercion" when referring to the left buying what their masters (and algos) feed them.
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peacedude said:

Getting Zuck would be like getting Capone, so that's highly unlikely as you allude to.

But, he and Jack's algos "coerced" people to vote for Biden (and other dems), and Veritas uncovered the left's foot-soldiers doing the same here in San Antonio with their "Are you suuure you want to vote xyz? Last time, you voted xyz"' nonsense.

Anyhow, I really like the word "coercion" when referring to the left buying what their masters (and algos) feed them.
To the degree the grants required violation of election law, that is also criminal solicitation. Not that any prosecutor has the guts to bring those charges.
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Spitballing here...

Trump can sue CISA for tampering, no?

It may not have the shiny "coercion" word, but them being in charge of dropbox locations was/is suspect (unless it was just IT surveillance/recon).
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peacedude said:

Spitballing here...

Trump can sue CISA for tampering, no?

It may not have the shiny "coercion" word, but them being in charge of dropbox locations was/is suspect (unless it was just IT surveillance/recon).
No idea if he could or not. But the problem is which remedy could a court grant other than a declaratory judgment that CISA was wrong?
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aggiehawg said:

peacedude said:

Spitballing here...

Trump can sue CISA for tampering, no?

It may not have the shiny "coercion" word, but them being in charge of dropbox locations was/is suspect (unless it was just IT surveillance/recon).
No idea if he could or not. But the problem is which remedy could a court grant other than a declaratory judgment that CISA was wrong?
Per your bolded text, maybe we go back to declaring this statement (or its implied meaning) as coercion:

...Ramthun points out that the "CISA and NCSL linked their websites in the campaign to "trust election officials" and "stop the spread of misinformation and disinformation".

CISA was "coercing" all underlings to "STFU, and trust the scien...we mean election results!" (and then "here's your Zuckerbucks...shhh").
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Waukesha County Circuit Court Judge Michael Bohren issued the decision in a lawsuit that had been filed on behalf of two voters by the Wisconsin Institute of Law & Liberty (WILL). WILL argued that the Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) had unilaterally issued guidance to election clerks, authorizing the use of ballot collection boxes, in contradiction of state law.

"The guidance from the Wisconsin Elections Commission on absentee ballot drop boxes was unlawful. There are just two legal methods to cast an absentee ballot in Wisconsin: through the mail or in-person at a clerk's office. And voters must return their own ballots," commented WILL Deputy Counsel Luke Berg. "We are pleased the court made this clear, providing Wisconsin voters with certainty for forthcoming elections."

In a memo issued to state election officials months before the 2020 general election, the WEC gave its blessing to install an unlimited number of drop boxes of numerous descriptions: indoors or outdoors, staffed or unstaffed, in a box or with a fox. Officials could even use COVID-19 as an excuse to repurpose existing local "infrastructure" for ballot collection, such as mail slots set up for taxes, mail and public utilities, book and media drop slots at the local library, even "businesses or locations that have already implemented social distancing practices, such as grocery stores and banks."

During arguments, Berg noted that, because these recommendations were made outside the rule making process they should have gone through, there were no real legal standards regulating what could qualify as a drop box. "A shoebox on a bench in a park would be legal for collecting ballots," argued Berg. "Now, that's absurd, of course. But that's the logical consequence of the position that the commission is taking."
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Waukesha is part of the Milwaukee Metropolitan Area.

Now let's turn to the CTCL site:

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On July 6, the mayors of Wisconsin's five largest cities announced they secured $6.3 million in grant funds from Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL) to support election administration in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The grants, awarded to the cities of Green Bay, Kenosha, Madison, Milwaukee, and Racine, will be used to implement the Wisconsin Safe Voting Plan a vision for a safe, inclusive, and secure voting process in 2020 elections.

"This year, election departments are facing an unprecedented challenge of administering safe and secure elections that provide healthy voting options to the public," said Center for Tech and Civic Life Executive Director, Tiana Epps-Johnson.

"To meet this challenge, CTCL is providing support to Wisconsin election officials so no voter is required to make a choice between their health and their ability to vote.

From ensuring that polling places are open and following the latest public health guidelines, to providing options for voters to easily and securely return absentee ballots, to making certain that the incredible people who step up to serve as poll workers are protected and well compensated for their service, we're proud to partner with the five largest cities in Wisconsin to deliver a smooth voting process that inspires confidence."

While experts estimate it will take ~$4 billion in funding to successfully administer 2020 elections, Congress has allocated $400 million to date.

"Through an extraordinary effort, Madison was able to pull off a safe election in April, but we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars we hadn't budgeted doing so," said Madison Mayor, Satya Rhodes-Conway. "As we have seen in Wisconsin and across the nation, COVID-19 is not gone; in fact it's getting worse in some places. If we are going to meet our obligations as elected leaders to ensure the safe administration of elections during this pandemic, we have to think differently and bring in help where we can. These valuable resources will go a long way to running successful elections this year."

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Total by municipality
City of Milwaukee: $2,154,500
City of Madison: $1,271,788
City of Green Bay: $1,093,400
City of Kenosha: $862,779
City of Racine: $942,100
Total by use
Support Early In-Person Voting and Vote by Mail: $2,572,839
Expand the number of in-person Early Voting sites (including Curbside Voting). Provide assistance to help voters comply with absentee ballot requests and certification requirements. Utilize secure drop-boxes to facilitate return of absentee ballots. Deploy additional staff and/or technology improvements to expedite and improve accuracy of absentee ballot processing.
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Did some Digging on Tiana Epps-Johnson (Epps?), and she's an Obama disciple:

https://www.influencewatch.org/person/tiana-epps-johnson/

On top of that, maybe CTCL didn't get all of Facebook's $250M (IIRC it's now >$250M), but they got a whooole lot of it.
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peacedude said:

Did some Digging on Tiana Epps-Johnson (Epps?), and she's an Obama disciple:

https://www.influencewatch.org/person/tiana-epps-johnson/

On top of that, maybe CTCL didn't get all of Facebook's $250M (IIRC it's now >$250M), but they got a whooole lot of it.
Everything I have read indicates it was two donations totaling 450 million..
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aggiehawg said:

peacedude said:

Did some Digging on Tiana Epps-Johnson (Epps?), and she's an Obama disciple:

https://www.influencewatch.org/person/tiana-epps-johnson/

On top of that, maybe CTCL didn't get all of Facebook's $250M (IIRC it's now >$250M), but they got a whooole lot of it.
Everything I have read indicates it was two donations totaling 450 million..


Considering the relatively small margins of victory in urban areas of swing states that ultimately decided Biden's victory, the CTCL could very well be responsible for purchasing the election. This avenue of corruption and election fraud needs to be shut down ASAP.
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aggieforester05 said:

aggiehawg said:

peacedude said:

Did some Digging on Tiana Epps-Johnson (Epps?), and she's an Obama disciple:

https://www.influencewatch.org/person/tiana-epps-johnson/

On top of that, maybe CTCL didn't get all of Facebook's $250M (IIRC it's now >$250M), but they got a whooole lot of it.
Everything I have read indicates it was two donations totaling 450 million..


Considering the relatively small margins of victory in urban areas of swing states that ultimately decided Biden's victory, the CTCL could very well be responsible for purchasing the election. This avenue of corruption and election fraud needs to be shut down ASAP.
Fully agree. Also the outsourcing of elections to private companies such as Runbeck (handled both Maricopa and then Georgia's Fulton County absentee ballots) also needs to be outlawed or Runbeck and other private companies like them need to be audited every election cycle.

Runbeck in particular claims their entire process is fully auditable yet no one ever audits those to see if that is true. And they not only address, stuff and mail out absentee ballots, they also pick them up from the post office and then scan them again before they are delivered to the counting centers. It took over ten days after the election for that entire process to be completed in Maricopa County alone.
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In the interest of brevity, I have to state here that you don't seem to understand the point of these audits. I don't believe they were designed to prove that nothing could possibly be amiss, but, rather, to indicate that a check was made on the system and all components were installed and were operating correctly. ....{text removed}. If there was any other evidence than "my guy didn't win", there might be something to investigate. But, since that seems to be that is all there is...
I absolutely understand the point of these audits. Pro V&V and SLI Compliance were only contracted to audit small samples of election equipment to make sure the same after the election as certified before the election. The companies state as much in their documentation.
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The Maricopa County Board of Elections contracted with Pro V&V to conduct a Post-Election Field Audit to ensure the software and hardware certified for use in Maricopa County are the same as the software and hardware used in the conduction of the November 2020 General Election
There are a few issues with this. (1) these were the same companies contracted to setup the voting environments (2) all these audits could confirm is essentially these machines were in the same order as they were before the election and would work if used properly. The bigger issue is the narrative which was being spun. From the SLI Compliance press release still on the site today.
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Wheat Ridge, CO (April 13, 2021) SLI Compliance was one of two Voting System Test Laboratories (VSTL) recently selected to perform a forensic audit of Maricopa County, AZ's 2020 election results.
How, pray tell, was what they did a "forensic audit" of the "election results"? This is a massive overstatement of what they did, as well as, what could be determined by the results of there testing. All they could confirm is the small sampling of machines they looked at were in the same condition after the election as they were before and there didn't appear to be any additional software or malicious code on them. Media, talking heads, the TDS cabal (including plenty of Republicans), the twittersphere. Facebook, etc helped pushed that narrative. Some using in an attempt to shut down any additional audit or review.

There are anomalies and questions which cannot be answered by a review of a few pieces of the voting hardware. Yes, much more than "my guy didn't win." If that is your belief, than none of this matters and it isn't worth rehashing.

With regards to the subpoena's, what would you call it?

December 15, 2020 - Subpoena issued for MCBOS to provide materials by December 18. That didn't happen. MCBOS sat on it because they new there would be a new legislative session sworn in in January. So through political gamesmanship they delayed so the original subpoena would void as the previous session had concluded LINK

January 12, 2021 - the new session, having been sworn in the day before, issued another subpoena. They did not comply by the deadline. The failure was turned over to a judge who ruled the subpoena was legal and within the senate authority. He ordered resolution within a week.....MCBOS never complied.

July 26, 2021 - Once again, a subpoena was issued to MCBOS and now Dominion. Both of which refused to comply. LINK
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(snip) county officials and a Dominion attorney sent Senate President Karen Fann a letter outlining why they will not comply.
August 26, 2021 - Arizona AG released the findings of their report and notified MCBOS would lose their funding if they didn't comply within 30 days LINK

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MCBOS does not dispute that it has not fully complied with the Senate's July 26, 2021 subpoena.

... the Attorney General has determined that the failure of MCBOS to fully comply with the Senate's legislative subpoena violates state law

... MCBOS does not appear to have produced any new information or documents in response to the subpoena and expressly refused to do so with respect to certain of the requests.

The legal issue the Office must resolve is whether MCBOS is violating Arizona law by admittedly failing to fully comply with a legislative subpoena.
MCBOS did everything BUT comply, so no, it is not false. Coming to a settlement 9 months later, under threat of losing funding, isn't compliance. The ENTIRE MCBOS should, at a minimum, be fired. More likely they should personally face legal action for contempt and ignoring judges orders.

Finally, in the TLDR post. I want to leave you with this...insight into the people entrusted with elections in the state of Arizona. The people we are supposed to believe when they say their election was without error or fraud.
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MCBOS' sole argument in response to the Request is that the Senate cannot currently hold MCBOS in contempt because the Senate is not in session
It's cool ya'll, we aren't breaking the law because those who enforce it aren't in session.

Quoted for truth.

Seem to remember a poster here claiming they complied with all requests for information. I believe these arrogant POS claimed in their rebuttal they complied with all requests for information.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Hope there is an open and transparent investigation, they seem to have some very compelling evidence.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Quoted for truth.

Seem to remember a poster here claiming they complied with all requests for information. I believe these arrogant POS claimed in their rebuttal they complied with all requests for information.
Definitely a shortage of that for the 2020 cycle. Until we have accurate voter rolls and in person voting with a government issued ID (in all but the extreme cases), fraud is here to stay. Hell, there is no punishment for ignoring/breaking voting laws and we are so close to those laws being corrupted to the point there will be one party rule moving forward.
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From the federalist article:

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Savage's denial of any conspiracy with Allen concerns yet another video The Federalist had obtained after Savage and other Delaware County officials were sued by local residents for alleged violations of state election law, as well as claims of a conspiracy following the election to hide the many problems and illegalities that occurred during the November 2020 election.

That video captured Savage speaking with an individual identified by those with knowledge of the lawsuit as Allen. In the video obtained by The Federalist, Allen is heard telling Savage, "Then get rid of the pads and the second scanners."

"We can't talk about it anymore," the tape captures Savage replying. When Allen questions, "Why?" Savage explains, "It's a felony."

The Philadelphia trial court has yet to rule on Savage's request that the videos and other court filings be stricken from the case, but even if they are excluded in that case, the whistleblower videos raise many questions for Delaware County officials, including what laws were not "fully followed," as Perrone put it in the latest video obtained by The Federalist.
So much for ignorance of the law. They knew even talking about doing something was a felony.

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So much for ignorance of the law. They knew even talking about doing something was a felony.
It also answers the other thing we have been asking. Apparently audio and video evidence of fraud/crimes is still not enough to take this seriously and start jailing people.
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So much for ignorance of the law. They knew even talking about doing something was a felony.
It also answers the other thing we have been asking. Apparently audio and video evidence of fraud/crimes is still not enough to take this seriously and start jailing people.
I have talked about how to build a case several times within the course of this thread.

Night of the election and early morning hours of the next day: several disparate observers notice statistical abnormalities in the Edison Research live feeds some statistical anomalies in vote spikes for Biden across several swing states. Post election, people begin filling out affidavits of irregularities at counting centers across those same states, particularly in large central counting centers such as Detroit, Atlanta and Phoenix, among others. Those affidavits corroborate the statistical abnormalities. Surveillance camera footage showing mysterious (and no chain of custody) trucks showing up and delivering thousands of ballots after the time limit for accepting them, is the next layer of corroboration. And finally, their own words in emails and zoom meetings.

The cases are there, the problem then became what is the remedy? What can the courts do to address the wrong? Between election day and early December 2020, it was possible for courts to issue injunctions to Sec of States and Governors from certifying the electors, but that would have been disenfranchising a crap ton of voters. Something few judges have the stomach to ever do.

Even declaring a do-over for the election in such a short period of time would be unduly burdensome upon the state in terms of cost and resources. And could the results of such a do-over election not be subject to the same flaws? (We saw the answer to that question in the Senate runoff in Georgia. No, without a change in procedures, results could not be trusted.)

The only answer would have been to allow for state legislatures vote on and submit their own competing slate of electors and let the 12th amendment handle the rest. But that was not always an option when only the Governor can recall a state legislature into session according to the state constitution. Big stumbling block there.

Our election laws are a mess, true but the answer is not to unconstitutionally federalize them.
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Again, spot on.

To me, the damage is done, but the lack of urgency to do anything to fix it is insane. I/We may never be able to discredit the results, but nobody, in their right mind, can say this was how everything should work. These people cannot answer basic questions about the process nor explain anomalies. How they cannot complete the counts within 24 hours of election night and fully audit/validate everything before December is unacceptable.
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14% So the Republican in 2024 will get 105 MM votes and the Dem will get 85 MM if the 2020 math holds true?
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This is from the Never=Trumpers at The Bulwark but I was not aware there actually were competing slates of electors submitted to congress. Were you?

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Actually, there weren't just five states in which, despite Biden having won there, Republican pseudo-electors submitted Electoral College certificates in support of Trump. There were seven. The Republicans in two of those states, however, hedged their bets. The New Mexico certificate was submitted "on the understanding that it might later be determined that we are the duly elected and qualified" electors (emphasis added). The Pennsylvania certificate was similarly qualified "on the understanding that if, as a result of a final non-appealable Court Order or other proceeding prescribed by law, we are ultimately recognized as being the duly elected and qualified Electors" (emphasis added).

The submissions from those two states deserve the benefit of the doubt. They can and should be read as contingent, belt-and-suspenders backup plans to make sure that Trump electors were identified in the event, however unlikely, that the courts reversed the election results in their states.

Not so the other five states. The phony Trump electors from each of the other five statesArizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsincertified that they were in fact the "duly elected and qualified Electors for President and Vice President of the United States of America" from their respective states.
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It is very frustrating that people believe there may have been some voter fraud but not enough to affect the outcome. It is becoming more clear that voter fraud happened not just in some counties in swing states but on a seemingly massive scale in numerous states.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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That is interesting, because I seem to remember a discussion (I thought briefly on this thread) about some states who had elected officials submitting contradictory documents, but there wasn't much on the subject. I don't know how that would work with State law defining who sends the EC Certificates, but hey, election laws are apparently optional so who knows.

Is Biden 'the duly elected' President of the United States of America? Absolutely not, but grab a seat for the next part. He is the President our "system" chose. A system that for four years told us he was not the elected President. A system that went after him with a rigged investigation based on fake, political, opposition research which was known to be questionable at best. A system who used the MSM/Press to target him with 95% of the coverage being negative full of unsubstantiated rumors and, at times, flat out lies. Coordinated efforts from our supposed, a-political, three letter agencies. Rigged debates with biased moderators. A complete dismantling of State election laws. A manufactured. global pandemic. And finally, millions of dollars pumped in to fund the fraudulent, and illegal voting activities.

It took ALL of that to put that noodle-head in office. So, is dip**** the President, yes. Is there any chance Trump is not in his second term if election laws are followed and every government, media, and tech entity wasn't working overtime to spread propaganda? Not just no, but hell no. No effing way.
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Relieved you were not fully aware of these so-called competing slates of electors that were actually submitted to Congress, either.

Had that happened across five, much less 7 states, Biden doesn't get to 270. The Senate and House have to sort it out according to the Electoral Count Act and if unable to do so, goes to the contingent election under the 12th.

So that would have put the events of Jan 6th in a whole new light, wouldn't it? Instead of trying to interfere in a government process, they would have been demanding the House and Senate actually follow the laws that addressed such a fact situation. Further, had there been competing slates of electors, Pelosi and Schumer could have done the math and know Trump still wins by virtue of the state by state composition of the House. Giving them a motive to disrupt that process from happening.

Nice thought experiment. But that Bulwark article is quite unhinged otherwise in advocating for criminal charges.
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Nice thought experiment. But that Bulwark article is quite unhinged otherwise in advocating for criminal charges.
Ah yes, the rallying cry of the left. Think like me or be incarcerated for wrong-think. I break the law because it is oppressive and racist.
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Back to Wisconsin.

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Former Wisconsin Supreme Court Judge Michael Gableman has been investigating the 2020 presidential election results in Wisconsin since he was appointed last year.

Gableman was given the task of looking into the 2020 election in Wisconsin. In October he announced he was focusing on five locations where irregularities were noted related to interference from foreign players like Facebook.
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Special Counsel Michael Gableman has subpoenaed Wisconsin election officials as part of his investigation into the 2020 Election irregularities.

In October Gableman served subpoenas to the administrator of the Wisconsin Election Commission, the executive director of the Milwaukee Election Commission, and four city clerks as part of his probe into the 2020 election.
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The October subpoenas sought all records related to grants from the Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL), a group funded by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg. According to News Talk 1130 CTCL is accused of taking over the administration of the presidential election in Green Bay and having undue influence on election administration in Milwaukee, Racine, Kenosha, and Madison.

Now this…
Judge Gableman subpoenaed to two voting companies in his continued investigation of the 2020 presidential election.

Gableman subpoenaed Dominion Voting Systems and Electronic Systems & Software (ES&S) of Nebraska.

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Via Yahoo.com.
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Assembly Republicans' review of the 2020 election has expanded outside of Wisconsin with subpoenas to two companies that manufacture voting machines and software.
Former Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman in December issued orders to Colorado-based Dominion Voting Systems and Electronic Systems & Software of Nebraska seeking records related to the location of the companies' voting machines in Wisconsin during the primary and general elections in 2020.


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Gableman also seeks information about staff members who worked on Wisconsin machines or communicated with anyone in Wisconsin during that period.

Gableman's subpoenas, first reported by WisPolitics, demand company officials produce the requested documents later this month and order them to testify in private at his rented office space in Brookfield. Gableman set a series of deadlines to receive the documents and testimony, with the earliest on Wednesday.
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Amazing with all the Astroturfing and Gaslighting going on by the MSM and Big Tech!
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A judge in the key battleground state of Wisconsin ruled Thursday that ballot drop boxes and ballot harvesting violate state law and cannot be used in the upcoming midterm elections.
Waukesha County Circuit Court Judge Michael Bohren determined "there is no statutory authority" to allow for either practice, which became highly controversial in Wisconsin following the state's razor-thin outcome in the 2020 presidential election. President Joe Biden defeated former President Donald Trump in the state by approximately 20,000 votes.
The Wisconsin Elections Commission, which is under fire for allegedly bending and even openly violating state law to give Biden an edge, authorized the dramatic increase in the use of ballot drop boxes, but Judge Bohren held that the agency lacked lawful authority to do so.
How well this decision fares under challenge will rely on the court's interpretation of Wisconsin voting laws. (See here under section 6.88) On a first pass through the applicable codes, I'm really not sure how that appeal should go. There is a lot of legalese dealing with what happens when an elector's ballot arrives at the office of a municipal clerk and it definitely mentions cases where the ballots are mailed or delivered in person. But I'm not seeing anything saying those are the only ways the ballot can arrive, nor does the law appear to state that the person delivering it has to be the voter. I'm sure the legal eagles in Wisconsin will sort all of that out, though.
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They're tipping over a lot of precedents if the ruling stands, however. (Not that doing so is always a bad thing.) Ballot drop boxes have been used in Wisconsin and many other states for many years. As long as they are being emptied by authorized people in a secure fashion, there hasn't seemed to be too much controversy over the practice. Of course, that's a big assumption in the current era. At least for me, the fewer the number of hands that come in contact with a ballot from the time it leaves the hand of the voter until it arrives at the clerk's office, the better. The use of ballot drop boxes definitely increases that number.
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Another example of the slanted reporting by the Arizona Republic wrt the 2020 Presidential election. Emphases (italics, underline, and black bolded text) are mine. So many unnecessary adjectives and opinions stated as facts litter this and every article that this rag of a newspaper puts out on the election.

Arizona Republicans propose dozens of bills to change voting and elections following audit, 2020 election
Ray Stern, Arizona Republic, Jan 18, 2022

"Republican state senators and representatives in Arizona including election conspiracy theorists and newly sworn-in members have introduced more than two dozen bills that aim to make significant changes in the state's voting system.

And more are on the way, lawmakers say.

Several appear to stem directly from conspiracies that followed the November 2020 election on issues like ballot paper, ballot drop boxes and alleged sinister acts by election workers.

Many of the lawmakers sponsoring the bills say that former President Trump won the election, a falsehood believed by a majority of Republicans, according to polls.

Arizona had the narrowest margin in the country for the presidential race, with a difference of 10,457 votes, which put a focus on the state as Trump and Republicans nationwide made wide-ranging, and untrue, allegations about the election before and after it happened.

Backers of that claim have offered no evidence over the past year, including in Arizona, to show that Trump won the election. The Senate audit of the election showed Biden beat Trump in Maricopa County; Trump also lost the popular national vote by about 7 million votes.

The left-leaning Brennan Center for Justice, and many Democrats, already view Arizona as part of an "alarming and unprecedented attack on our democracy" due to previously passed bills and the partisan audit of the Maricopa County election.

The newly proposed laws include limiting mail-in ballots, creating criminal penalties for election workers who mishandle ballots, expanding the threshold for automatic recounts, making ballot images publicly available, mandating special paper for ballots, and many other ideas.

Some of the proposals were passed last year as part of the budget, but were thrown out in November when the state Supreme Court ruled that stuffing unrelated policy changes into the state budget was unconstitutional.

The extensive, partisan plans face possible resistance by at least one Republican senator who has criticized claims that Biden didn't win the 2020 election. Republicans have a 16-14 majority in the Senate; losing the vote of one member would doom party-line bills.

Sen. Kelly Townsend, R-Mesa, the chair of the Senate Committee on Government, will hear all of the new election integrity bills and has broad power over whether they advance.

Townsend and 29 other former and current lawmakers signed a resolution in December 2020 asking then-Vice President Mike Pence to undo the will of Arizona voters by delaying certification of Biden's victory or accepting an alternate slate of electors for Donald Trump. Congress was debating Arizona's objection to the certification of the presidential race on Jan. 6 when the rioters broke inside the U.S. Capitol.

"I have consistently said as chair of elections and over here in the Senate, that my No. 1 goal is to increase voter confidence. It's not to destroy the democracy," she told The Arizona Republic.

"Nobody's trying to suppress anybody's vote. We want to make it easy for them, but secure."

Townsend herself is so far sponsoring four election bills.

Among other ideas, in Senate Bill 1056 she would make a person who "misplaces" a ballot subject to possible misdemeanor charges. The bill defines "misplaced" ballots as those "not included in the initial tally at a polling place or counting center."

The misplaced ballots also could not be counted, and the bill authorizes affected voters to file an action for damages.

Missing ballots are a consistent allegation by election deniers. Republican gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake has shared such claims on social media.

Another Townsend proposal, Senate Bill 1055, criminalizes the failure of companies or people to perform their duties when they contract with elections departments. Townsend said she wants third-party contractors that help conduct elections to be held accountable if they "maliciously" tamper with ballots or fail to reject votes that don't include the voter's signature.

The Senate's audit by its contractor, Cyber Ninjas, alleged potential problems with as many as 50,000 ballots in the 2020 election in Maricopa County. County officials said this month that, in reality, fewer than 100 ballots contained potential evidence of fraud or double-counting out of 2.1 million votes cast in the county.

Townsend also wants the Legislature to put a measure on the ballot that would require people who only vote in federal elections to show identification at the polls. That's currently required only for voters in state elections.
Rep. Walt Blackman, R-Flagstaff, who's running for Congress, submitted House Bill 2059, which would raise penalties for certain kinds of election violations, such as electioneering within the 75 foot limit or voting in a county where you don't reside, from a misdemeanor to a low-level felony.

Sen. Wendy Rogers, R-Flagstaff, a super-spreader of 2020 election conspiracies, has put forth bills including: Senate Bill 1133, to prohibit schools and cities from using mail-in ballots for their elections; Senate Bill 1058 to ban drive-through voting and any placement of ballot drop boxes except in official election facilities; and Senate Bill 1027 to establish a Bureau of Elections under the Governor's Office that would investigate election fraud. (Drive-through voting was used at the height of the pandemic for people worried about contracting COVID-19 at the polls.)

Rep. Mark Finchem, R-Oro Valley, who has also spread false information about the election and was outside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 when rioters stormed the building, is now running for secretary of state, a position that oversees state elections.

He has submitted House Bill 2023, which would make ballot images available and searchable by voting precinct to the public online after an election. The images wouldn't show information that would identify specific voters. The counties of El Paso and Pueblo, Colorado, and the state of Georgia, began allowing the public to view ballot images from the 2020 election following Republican complaints voting anomalies.

Finchem also has proposed House Bill 2080, which would mandate hand counts of ballots in all primary and general elections. Arizona voters cast 3.4 million ballots in the November 2020 election. While that might seem to alleviate unfounded concerns by some Republicans that voting machines helped throw the race for Biden, a widely cited 2012 study showed that hand counts could introduce up to a two-percentage-point error in an election.

Both bills have numerous Republican co-sponsors. Sen. Sonny Borrelli, R-Lake Havasu, submitted a similar bill in the Senate, Senate Bill 1119.

Rep. Leo Biasiucci, R-Lake Havasu City, who was first elected in 2018, has House Bill 2041, which would require a set of new fraud countermeasures built into the paper used for ballots, including "watermarking, secure holographic foil, security links, invisible ultraviolet microtext" and other features. It has five co-sponsors including one in the Senate, Borrelli.

The Senate review of the Maricopa County election found that "eight or nine" types of paper were used for ballots, Biasiucci said. Cyber Ninjas claimed it was 10 types.

"How do we avoid that? How do we keep track? Let's get one source, one paper hard to counterfeit ... . How do we do little things that bring election integrity back to where it needs to be?" he said.

The idea of counterfeit ballots loomed large for a time in the aftermath of the 2020 election, as in former Trump adviser Roger Stone's claim that he had "absolute incontrovertible evidence of North Korean boats delivering ballots through a harbor in Maine." No such evidence ever emerged. [What does this have to do with the Arizona audit? It's a non-sequitur.]

John Brakey, an elections investigator who worked on the Senate's audit, said in May that auditors were looking for bamboo fibers to prove or debunk the claim of ballots from Asia inserted into Arizona's election.

In its report to the senate, Cyber Ninjas recommended the use of paper with watermarks and other security features, and the release of ballot images.

The list of election-related bills grew daily in the new legislative session's first week.

On Wednesday, Rep. Jake Hoffman, R-Queen Creek, submitted nine bills, most of which place restrictions on voters.

The bills, which all have co-sponsors, would prohibit ballot drop boxes, same-day voter registration, and voting centers, among other things. Hoffman not only signed the December resolution calling for the rejection of the state's electors, but also signed on as one of 11 fake electors who tried to give Arizona's 11 electoral votes to Trump.

The next day, Rep. Shawnna Bolick, R-Phoenix, announced her sponsorship of House Bill 2270, which would prohibit an election official from leading or belonging to a political action committee.

The bill appears directed at Maricopa County Recorder Steven Richer, a Republican and among the state's biggest critics of the partisan audit. Richer formed a PAC in November to help elect "pro-democracy Republicans."

An election bill Bolick filed in the previous session that drew broad national attention would have allowed the Legislature, by a simple majority vote, to revoke the secretary of state's certification of presidential electors before Inauguration Day.

Bolick, who also is running for secretary of state, said the intent of that bill was misconstrued, and referred to a Feb. 2021 op-ed in the Washington Examiner that she said explained it. In the piece, she proposed that a bipartisan committee would have overseen the process, and Congress would need a two-thirds majority vote "to sign off on our slate of electors."

Bolick claimed that even some Democrats support the idea. She declined to say whether she'd introduce a similar bill this year.

On Thursday, she submitted five other bills that would seek to create a commission to conduct biennial reviews of the election system; ban photography near polls; make collecting the ballots of non-family members a more serious felony; require county officials to approve certain election-related lawsuit settlements; and ensure state election procedure manuals conform to state law.

While many of the bills are coming from those who spread misinformation and falsehoods, even Republican critics of the audit have proposals that would affect elections.

Sen. Michelle Ugenti-Rita, R-Scottsdale, wants to raise the threshold to trigger automatic recounts of close elections, making such recounts more common. Current law requires recounts when the margin of difference in the votes between two candidates is 0.1% of total votes cast (in elections with more than 25,000 votes) or 200 votes, whichever is lesser.

Ugenti-Rita's SB 1008 would raise that to 0.5% of the votes. That would have caused recounts in a number of 2020 races, including the Biden-Trump race, which had a 0.3% difference in votes.

Ugenti-Rita saw success in election integrity bills before the 2020 election: She sponsored a law in 2016 that made "ballot harvesting", or collecting ballots for others except family members, a felony. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the law in July. She was also the lead sponsor on a bill, signed into law by Ducey, that will remove voters from the state's permanent early voter list if they haven't voted in the past two election cycles.
The recount bill "doesn't relate" to the Trump-Biden race, Ugenti-Rita said, though that race "certainly highlighted that a very close race starts to make people want to make sure everything was done exactly right."

Following a dispute with Townsend last year over an election-related bill, Ugenti-Rita was booed at a Trump rally in July, then excoriated by some of her GOP colleagues for saying the Arizona audit was "botched." After she was sent a threatening email for her stance, Ugenti-Rita resigned her position as the chair of the senate government committee, and Townsend assumed that role.

Townsend told The Republic not to expect a "cat fight" between her and Ugenti-Rita this year, and that as the new chair she'd evaluate all proposals fairly.

Republicans have only a one-vote majority in the House and Senate, meaning a single Republican could make the difference for the fate of any bill. Sen. Paul Boyer, R-Glendale, has vowed to block anything that appears radical or clearly related to the false idea that Trump won the election.

He'll reject any bill that bans all mail-in voting, he said, noting that 90% of Arizonans used the vote-by-mail system in 2020, and that the rate is typically 85%.

"Taking away that option I just don't see the wisdom in that," he said. "It's convenient for folks. I just don't know why we should make it less convenient."

No such bill has dropped yet. Boyer didn't want to discuss most of the other 2022 election bills he would nix, saying he'll study all of them first. He could support a ballot-image bill, he said, as long as voter secrecy was kept intact.

He gave hints of his feelings on a few other bills. He'll have to "think through" the idea of a hand count of ballots, he said. It might introduce human error and take a long time, he said, and the "time factor" could even interfere with the election of a president.

Boyer also took a shot at Rogers' election bureau bill, joking "we need more bureaucracy, obviously," and that it's "the conservative thing to grow government."

Unsurprisingly, Democrats are even more critical of the GOP proposals.

Adrian Fontes, the former Democratic Maricopa County Recorder who's running for secretary of state, questioned the underlying motive of the bills' authors.

"The rationale for proposing so much unnecessary legislation is to promote and continue the 'big lie,'" he said. "That's the motive behind this. Some people are attaching their political future to a lie."

Still, Fontes said he supports Finchem's ballot-image bill even though he thinks Finchem is a "seditionist and a traitor."

"He's still in the Legislature," Fontes said. "You have to be willing to sit down and speak reasonably to the other side, and this is what leadership is all about."

Sen. Raquel Tern, D-Phoenix, doesn't think any of the measures are warranted and said it was "unfortunate" that her Republican colleagues have chosen to focus on these bills instead of "solutions for Arizona."

"There's no question in my mind that we are in a fight to protect our democracy," said Tern, who is also the chair of the state Democratic Party. "What happens here in Arizona is critical to the rest of the country."

If Republicans really want to restore their constituents' trust in the system, they may be doing the opposite with their myriad election bills, said Tom Collins, executive director of the Arizona Citizens Clean Elections Committee.

He pointed to six Monmouth University polls over the past year that seem to show the public's confidence in the election system worsen after the Arizona audit: In Nov. 2021, 30% of Americans believed the election system is "not sound at all," up from 22% in Jan. 2021.

The most recent Monmouth poll indicated that many Democrats also believe that the election system has problems that need fixing. But the latest poll from November found people were far more likely to believe the system was unsound if they also believed that Biden won by fraud.

"The more attention is paid to these alleged flaws in the system, the more that appears to be driving down faith in the electoral process, particularly among Republicans," Collins said. "That is a big problem."
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I see the same descriptors used in almost every article related to the 2020 election. They try to portray opinions that vary from the DNC narratives as false or unfounded and their opinions as facts. Why can they not leave out the bias and just report the facts? They are not journalists, they are activists and degenerates.They think they are doing good by supporting team Dem, but they are really doing a disservice to the American voter and enabling the Democrats to act corruptly and dishonestly with impunity.
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aggieforester05 said:

I see the same descriptors used in almost every article related to the 2020 election. They try to portray opinions that vary from the DNC narratives as false or unfounded and their opinions as facts. Why can they not leave out the bias and just report the facts? They are not journalists, they are activists and degenerates.They think they are doing good by supporting team Dem, but they are really doing a disservice to the American voter and enabling the Democrats to act corruptly and dishonestly with impunity.
The entire Media Cabal covers this stuff up, including FNC. That idiot Brian Kilmeade even bashing anyone who tries to speak out that the 2020 election was anything but legit. All his nonsense about it doesn't do the country any good to keep talking about 2020 and everyone needs to move on. Even Tucker doesn't touch on any of this stuff that going on still, all in public record. The media is complicit as are the democrats.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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aggieforester05 said:

I see the same descriptors used in almost every article related to the 2020 election. They try to portray opinions that vary from the DNC narratives as false or unfounded and their opinions as facts. Why can they not leave out the bias and just report the facts? They are not journalists, they are activists and degenerates.They think they are doing good by supporting team Dem, but they are really doing a disservice to the American voter and enabling the Democrats to act corruptly and dishonestly with impunity.
I have the same argument every time someone attempts to call the AP or Reuters "unbiased news sources." Adjectives and descriptors continue to appear and oddly, they are rarely, if ever, painting anything from the left in a negative light.

Damn near everything out there is propaganda.

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Damn near everything out there is propaganda.





Red Face aimed at the message--not the messenger...
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