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but the audit showed Biden actually won and by a bigger total.

Amazing how they can just gloss over these findings.....

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The signature verification connection was the missing link for me for quite awhile. Once I knew that Runbeck got the completed ballots and not the counting center, I never could connect the dots of when or how the signature verification function worked without the poll workers having the ballots to look at them.

Now we know they were not looking at the ballots themselves, only images. And Runbeck was supposed to separate out those that were not okayed before delivery to the counting center. Did they? We don't know since there are no chain of custody documents. This is true despite Runbeck's claims there procedures are fully auditable.

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But Appendix A says that there was no cheating.

And Richer says that over 19,000 in the county voted all Republican except they voted Biden for president.

So 19,000 plus people of Arizona who voted Republican decided that the Democrat communist platform was great for their president?

It is difficult to believe that people of the great state of Arizona are that ignorant. I could be wrong about this fact. If I am, then we the people deserve this FJB government we now have, and the economic disaster and loss of liberty that comes with it.

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well, the biggest election interference issues weren't Russian and they may not have even been insecure weak systems and processes (and election law and process changes taken advantage of using covid fear mongering) that make committing and covering up fraud easy. Although it is VITALLY important to get this fixed or the country is F'd - half of America is disenfranchised and the ruling Marxists DGAF. They have their power and they will continue the destruction.

A CNN exec admitted that they helped to hide Biden's cognitive decline/ dementia to save us from mean tweets. The Silicon Valley platform monopolies censored PROOF of Biden's corruption before the election and MSM went along with the completely fabricated narrative that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, even getting signatures from the "intel community" agreeing that it could be Russian disinformation. The DNC and Biden's Marxist handlers with plans for total destruction tried to paint Biden as a "moderate" to trick people, even though the dem base really wanted an open socialist in Bernie. TDS, driven by fake news narratives and social media manipulation, really drove people over the top crazy to the point where too many idiots actually voted to kill the country in order to save it from mean tweets. Cities outsourced managing the election to NGOs funded by billionaire elitist leftists who think they are heroes for helping to take advantage of the pandemic and election laws to get mean tweets out. It was a coup d'etat and there are numskulls like thermal pope who love what's happening to our country. #sad

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As I mentioned in an earlier post, election fraud was just a piece of the fix. Biased Propaganda and censorship by the media was a big part of the establishment plan to get rid of Trump.

Anyone paying attention could see that the MSM was censoring negative Biden information and promoting misinformation about Trump.

Republicans who didn't bother to even scan the Democrat platform and few campaign promises and just voted against bad orange man mean tweets because George S. on GMA to them to are irresponsible idiots.

The lies were obvious to any thinking person.

Trusting the MSM that No Mind Biden was a moderate was an obvious fabrication to those that paid attention.

Unfortunately, many don't follow politics closely or have a forum like this one exposing the hypocrisy of the MSM talking points.

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Ahh, so Thermal Dope is in a protected class. My comment toward he/she/it was deleted. How interesting.

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just put the guy on permanent ignore like I did, I never read his post anyway but by ignoring him you dont have to see what hes saying.. most makes little to no sense at all anyway

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Ahh, so Thermal Dope is in a protected class. My comment toward he/she/it was deleted. How interesting.

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just put the guy on permanent ignore like I did, I never read his post anyway but by ignoring him you dont have to see what hes saying.. most makes little to no sense at all anyway

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Here's my issue with that. It was moderation that caused me to drop my subscription and lose the ignore feature. Now here we have another example of moderation and certain users being protected and the solution is to once again pay for a subscription that I cancelled due to moderation issues. Ugh.

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Funny in California, the rules only appear to apply to one party.

When Republicans play the same game as Democrats, they get slapped.

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Did the Democrats set out unattended ballot drop off boxes on the streets and mark them as official dropoff boxes?

My understanding is that the republicans got rid of the "official ballot dropoff" boxes and placed them inside and with a person manning them and there were no more issues. In other words, they behaved responsibly.

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Trying to rationalize with either thermal or Eric is like trying to piss into a 40 mph wind without getting any on you…either way, it's not an efficient process.

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That's the problem with many people -- attempting to rationalize what they believe in. As Robert Heinlein said, "Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal." And that's the problem.

Be rational, not rationalizing.

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By the way, the Republican Party in California got slapped for going too far with their ballot harvesting by setting up unattended outdoor drop off boxes, many of which were marked as an official dropoff box.

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This type of whataboutism and goaltending is exactly what I would expect for someone who has only voted D one time, back in the 1980's.

Keep going, blue anon.

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If someone is going to go on and on about ballot harvesting being illegal, then he needs to apply the same rules to everyone. If not, he is a hypocrite.

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Maricopa used this to determine the best locations to add new "voting centers" for the 2020 election. No other parties were layered in the map, just Dems.

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Shocked! Shocked! I tell you.

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Eric is perfectly ok with this vote harvesting.

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That's not ballot harvesting by any stretch of the imagination. If that is true, it is shocking, but it is not ballot harvesting.

If you are going to make up your own private definitions of words in order to confuse people about what happened, why don't you just define voter fraud as "a vote for anyone but Trump"? After all, that's what you seem to want to do.

Whoa there cowboy, if the cdc can change the definition of vaccine, this guy can do whatever the hell he wants.

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Maricopa used this to determine the best locations to add new "voting centers" for the 2020 election. No other parties were layered in the map, just Dems.

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Shocked! Shocked! I tell you.

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Eric is perfectly ok with this vote harvesting.

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That's not ballot harvesting by any stretch of the imagination. If that is true, it is shocking, but it is not ballot harvesting.

If you are going to make up your own private definitions of words in order to confuse people about what happened, why don't you just define voter fraud as "a vote for anyone but Trump"? After all, that's what you seem to want to do.

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Vote harvesting, ballot harvesting. It's comical you are hanging onto these type terms to justify cheating by your party. Using GIS to specifically target certain voters via ballot boxes is harvesting.

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Maricopa used this to determine the best locations to add new "voting centers" for the 2020 election. No other parties were layered in the map, just Dems.

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Shocked! Shocked! I tell you.

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Eric is perfectly ok with this vote harvesting.

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That's not ballot harvesting by any stretch of the imagination. If that is true, it is shocking, but it is not ballot harvesting.

If you are going to make up your own private definitions of words in order to confuse people about what happened, why don't you just define voter fraud as "a vote for anyone but Trump"? After all, that's what you seem to want to do.

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Vote harvesting, ballot harvesting. It's comical you are hanging onto these type terms to justify cheating by your party. Using GIS to specifically target certain voters via ballot boxes is harvesting.

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No, it isn't. Ballot harvesting is the collection of ballots on behalf of others and turn them in to the election officials so that the ballots may be counted.

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Maricopa used this to determine the best locations to add new "voting centers" for the 2020 election. No other parties were layered in the map, just Dems.

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Shocked! Shocked! I tell you.

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So, do you think they get that information from the postal sorting center? Or Runbeck?

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To be honest with you, I cannot think of a reason either the post sorting center or Runbeck having access to that information. They should, at most, have a list of registered voters and associated addresses. Nothing about political party.

Not to derail here, but I just don't get the resident idiots on this thread. The entire premise of a free society is one where people can disagree and coexist. What we are seeing is people who are so blinded by what they want in the short term, they are willing to ignore the long term damage. All of this **** purposely setup to favor democrats: news, censorship, social media, voting, etc etc etc. It works for them now, because they got their way this time. The democrats are not done moving left. They will continue moving left and at some point, our own idiots (the goal tenders and concerned moderates) are going to lose something important to them, At that point, it will be too late. By ignoring everything because 'mean tweets are bad', they are allowing the things which protect us all from tyranny to be eroded.....and yes, I will be the first in line to bump the threads.

Trust me, I have had enough replies to our resident 'peach farmer' getting deleted because they are not happy with what they voted for, when almost everyone was trying to let them know what was coming if they did.

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So, do you think they get that information from the postal sorting center? Or Runbeck?

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To be honest with you, I cannot think of a reason either the post sorting center or Runbeck having access to that information. They should, at most, have a list of registered voters and associated addresses. Nothing about political party.

Not to derail here, but I just don't get the resident idiots on this thread. The entire premise of a free society is one where people can disagree and coexist. What we are seeing is people who are so blinded by what they want in the short term, they are willing to ignore the long term damage. All of this **** purposely setup to favor democrats: news, censorship, social media, voting, etc etc etc. It works for them now, because they got their way this time. The democrats are not done moving left. They will continue moving left and at some point, our own idiots (the goal tenders and concerned moderates) are going to lose something important to them, At that point, it will be too late. By ignoring everything because 'mean tweets are bad', they are allowing the things which protect us all from tyranny to be eroded.....and yes, I will be the first in line to bump the threads.

Trust me, I have had enough replies to our resident 'peach farmer' getting deleted because they are not happy with what they voted for, when almost everyone was trying to let them know what was coming if they did.

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It may surprise you to know that getting lists of voters who voted in one primary or another is (or at least used to be) commonplace. Every serious campaign in a state or national election, Republican and Democrat, would use these lists; often to send campaign information to voters who had voted in that party and to schedule home visits to them to encourage them to get out and vote. It is difficult to imagine that elected officials would outlaw this accepted practice since they depend on it for their own campaigns.

In the early 1980s, I was asked to write a program to sort one of these lists by address to optimize the order of home visits the week before the election to get out the vote. I was surprised at that time that they could get such a list. The campaign manager assured me that they would provide campaign volunteers to type the information into the computer so I could sort it, but they never did.

Can I get a top 10 list of the things your a certified expert at so I can avoid threads containing those subject?

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Can I get a top 10 list of the things your a certified expert at so I can avoid threads containing those subject?

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Check out the sewing board. You won't find me there at all.

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Can I get a top 10 list of the things your a certified expert at so I can avoid threads containing those subject?

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Check out the sewing board. You won't find me there at all.

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Cool. I'll just assume that sewing is only #11 on the list of expertise. Probably just above wombat mating habits.

But they pinkie swore they don't do that!

Seriously, anyone who thinks that ballot harvesting is ok is not worth my time as they never think beyond the written job description of picking up people's ballots. If I'm a Republican and I go around picking up ballots, I could easily sort out the ballots of any democrats. If it's already sealed when I get there, it wouldn't take many innocuous questions to figure out if their ballot is worth turning in or not.

If I were really bad I could steam open their ballot envelope and replace it with a more desirable ballot. Or I could scare old people right before they vote by telling them the democrats are talking about eliminating social security or limiting it to 15 years or anything else I want to lie about. Hell, I could tell them their kids told me they won't visit ever again if I tell them their parents voted dim.

...and it may surprise you to know I am familiar with canvassing, polling, and a host of other political activities. I expect it will also surprise you to know that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, nor my reply. Neither postal workers, nor Runbeck needs to know the political affiliations, or past voting record, to do their job. Not having that information doesn't prevent them from doing their jobs. Having that information, on the other hand, could lead to a host of other malfeasance.

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Shocked! Shocked! I tell you.

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Eric is perfectly ok with this vote harvesting.

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That's not ballot harvesting by any stretch of the imagination. If that is true, it is shocking, but it is not ballot harvesting.

If you are going to make up your own private definitions of words in order to confuse people about what happened, why don't you just define voter fraud as "a vote for anyone but Trump"? After all, that's what you seem to want to do.

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Vote harvesting, ballot harvesting. It's comical you are hanging onto these type terms to justify cheating by your party. Using GIS to specifically target certain voters via ballot boxes is harvesting.

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No, it isn't. Ballot harvesting is the collection of ballots on behalf of others and turn them in to the election officials so that the ballots may be counted.

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Ahahahahahahaha. Okay Eric. Now let me tell you how this works in, you know, the real world. NGO's and political groups disguised as 501(c)3s will go door to door to collect and incentivize as many ballots as they can, legal or not, and tell people how to vote or sift out the votes they don't want. They aren't doing this out of the kindness of their heart. And in places with extremely high ethnic density (Indigenous people, Somali, etc.) they use tribe or clan affiliations to ensure people vote a certain way. They'll also help you fill out those ballots the way they want. We know this because there is video of people doing it, testimonials, affidavits from all around the country from Texas to Michigan and coast to coast.

But please, continue with your antiseptic view of the world instead of the reality.

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And the fraud they are doing when they do that is not ballot harvesting. The issue with ballot harvesting is because of how it could be used to get access to ballots to commit voter fraud. Ballot harvesting is not itself fraud.

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Former Rep. Jack Kingston: I know of one dropbox in Georgia that is being looked at. The dropbox averaged 6,000(?) ballots a day. Yet over Columbus Weekend, a three-day weekend, 19,000 votes were counted. But surveillance shows that only 24 people went to the dropbox. You can't have that kind of ballot harvesting in the state of Georgia. So we have to look into this.

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In Georgia, 19,000 ballots were counted from a single Zuckerberg dropbox over one weekend, but surveillance shows only 24 people dropping off all of these ballots. That's nearly 800 ballots per operative!

Stuffing ballot boxes is a crime in Georgia as it should be everywhere.

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Video of interview is at the Link

This matches up with cell phone ping data amassed by Liz Harris showing the routes the ballot box stuffers took to obtain fake ballots from some office or warehouse and then drop hundreds off at a time at different drop boxes around Atlanta.

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Former Rep. Jack Kingston: I know of one dropbox in Georgia that is being looked at. The dropbox averaged 6,000(?) ballots a day. Yet over Columbus Weekend, a three-day weekend, 19,000 votes were counted. But surveillance shows that only 24 people went to the dropbox. You can't have that kind of ballot harvesting in the state of Georgia. So we have to look into this.

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In Georgia, 19,000 ballots were counted from a single Zuckerberg dropbox over one weekend, but surveillance shows only 24 people dropping off all of these ballots. That's nearly 800 ballots per operative!

Stuffing ballot boxes is a crime in Georgia as it should be everywhere.

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Video of interview is at the Link

This matches up with cell phone ping data amassed by Liz Harris showing the routes the ballot box stuffers took to obtain fake ballots from some office or warehouse and then drop hundreds off at a time at different drop boxes around Atlanta.

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I hope like he'll they can catch these folks and get them to start outing the people they are working for.

That sounds 100% legitimate. It HAS to be legal.

You know, this one time, back in 1993 the Dallas Parks Department asked me to write a program by which you could track access to their recreational facilities. They had an issue where people would get kicked out of one place for breaking the rules, but then just go to other facilities while their one, to two week, suspensions ran out.

Relevance? None, but it seems like the standard posting style these days..... and I just like that story.

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Former Rep. Jack Kingston: I know of one dropbox in Georgia that is being looked at. The dropbox averaged 6,000(?) ballots a day. Yet over Columbus Weekend, a three-day weekend, 19,000 votes were counted. But surveillance shows that only 24 people went to the dropbox. You can't have that kind of ballot harvesting in the state of Georgia. So we have to look into this.

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In Georgia, 19,000 ballots were counted from a single Zuckerberg dropbox over one weekend, but surveillance shows only 24 people dropping off all of these ballots. That's nearly 800 ballots per operative!

Stuffing ballot boxes is a crime in Georgia as it should be everywhere.

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Video of interview is at the Link

This matches up with cell phone ping data amassed by Liz Harris showing the routes the ballot box stuffers took to obtain fake ballots from some office or warehouse and then drop hundreds off at a time at different drop boxes around Atlanta.

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19,000 ballots in one drop box?

What did they do? Park a garbage truck there and put a sign on the side?

i'm not saying that it didn't happen. I am curious how big a drop off box would be needed to hold 19,000 ballots.

And you think they never emptied the drop box over the weekend?

I'm sure there were scheduled pick ups so the boxes would be empty at times over a three day weekend.

The only thing I have not been able to find out is if Runbeck was contractually obligated to handle the drop boxes in their arrangement with Fulton County. I do know that Runbeck does offer such services, however.

Run beck, the modern day subsidiary of Tammany hall.

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Run beck, the modern day subsidiary of Tammany hall.

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How does a long time printing company morph into a one-stop-shopping for outsourcing every thing election related minus the actual electronic voting machines?

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Former Rep. Jack Kingston: I know of one dropbox in Georgia that is being looked at. The dropbox averaged 6,000(?) ballots a day. Yet over Columbus Weekend, a three-day weekend, 19,000 votes were counted. But surveillance shows that only 24 people went to the dropbox. You can't have that kind of ballot harvesting in the state of Georgia. So we have to look into this.

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In Georgia, 19,000 ballots were counted from a single Zuckerberg dropbox over one weekend, but surveillance shows only 24 people dropping off all of these ballots. That's nearly 800 ballots per operative!

Stuffing ballot boxes is a crime in Georgia as it should be everywhere.

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Video of interview is at the Link

This matches up with cell phone ping data amassed by Liz Harris showing the routes the ballot box stuffers took to obtain fake ballots from some office or warehouse and then drop hundreds off at a time at different drop boxes around Atlanta.

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19,000 ballots in one drop box?

What did they do? Park a garbage truck there and put a sign on the side?

i'm not saying that it didn't happen. I am curious how big a drop off box would be needed to hold 19,000 ballots.

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Why do you assume all 19,000 envelopes had to be in the box at the same time? ...what if... now hear me out here, because this could be complicated, but what if the drop box was serviced daily? Then, on average during that weekend, the box would only have to hold around 6,300 envelopes.

I just don't understand why drop boxes in general aren't being looked at and reconsidered. Everyone had every day for multiple weeks in which early voting in person was available as an option. Everyone had election day in which voting in person was an option. Everyone had the option to request, and in some cases receive unsolicited, a mail-in ballot and everyone who was afraid of standing in lines during the scary pandemic had the option to fill it out and mail it in any day before or even on election day. The purpose of these drop boxes should only serve for people who requested a mail-in ballot yet were scared to mail it in because they don't trust the postal service. That should be very few, yet the drop box ballots is in the millions in places like Atlanta. I would question whether drop boxes should be necessary given the lack of surveillance, monitoring or physical security on these drop boxes and the chain of custody documentation and security loopholes. These drop boxes are begging for easy fraud. ...and given all the other voting options available to registered voters, it would not be voter suppression to eliminate them or consolidate them to just a couple per county or precinct if they can afford to have them surveiled and monitored full time. If you take your right to vote seriously, you make sure you vote. You're not suppressed from voting because your precinct doesn't have dozens of boxes around town.

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While I fully agree with you, that was not the narrative in the age of covid.

But the drop boxes is a curious case because these CTCL grants went back to about 18 months before the election (according to The Amistad Project which was monitoring them and filing suits over them pre-election, to no avail.)

Would be curious as to when the grants started requiring drop boxes, wouldn't it? Did they pre-date the arrival of covid in the U.S.?

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Would be curious as to when the grants started requiring drop boxes, wouldn't it? Did they pre-date the arrival of covid in the U.S.?

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Talk about throwing gas on to the fire of that conspiracy theory. Would be insane to see that be true.

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Would be curious as to when the grants started requiring drop boxes, wouldn't it? Did they pre-date the arrival of covid in the U.S.?

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Talk about throwing gas on to the fire of that conspiracy theory. Would be insane to see that be true.

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It's harder than pulling teeth to find those contracts that should be subject to FOIA requests. When they do get uncovered and published on the internet, they quickly get memory holed. Links that I had bookmarked with some of that info are now "not found."

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According the ballotpedia, the grants involving drop boxes didn't start in earnest until summer 2020. But they are going off of press releases, not the grant language themselves.

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