*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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Thermal Pope
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In reply to richardag • 8:30p, 9/26/21
Different issue in a different state. Hand count verified the machine count, Dominion machines counted accurately.

A highly technical IT system data anomaly regarding log rotation doesn't necessarily mean fraud, there could be a boring explanation. And given Cyber Ninjas propensity to step on their own d***s, I'll bet there is.

Maricopa County and Rob Graham addressed the issue thoroughly months ago, no rebuttal from the Cyber Morons.
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In reply to Thermal Pope • 8:43p, 9/26/21
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Do you actually believe everything you're saying?
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8:56p, 9/26/21
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Thermal pipe is a prime example of why any party serious about winning elections needs to learn to cheat better. There is no recourse for this so the powers that be just need to be more brazen. Then the state can explain it away with ambiguous tweets.
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In reply to agcrock2005 • 9:12p, 9/26/21
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He was just given some time off.
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Thermal Pope
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In reply to Barnyard96 • 9:21p, 9/26/21
You must be ecstatic.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
Thermal pipe is a prime example of why any party serious about winning elections needs to learn to cheat better. There is no recourse for this so the powers that be just need to be more brazen. Then the state can explain it away with ambiguous tweets.


There was no vast conspiracy, there was no diffused spontaneous widespread fraud, the machine switching nonsense has been definitively disproven. E very fraud claim brought to court or public attention disintegrates under light scrutiny.

Trump lost. Civilizational arsonists propagating these false claims despise democracy, and real Americans should despise them.

There was no cheating or fraud. The county has consistently addressed every discrepancy Cyber Ninjas claimed. If they had any election experience, this wouldn't have been so embarrassing for them. They simply didn't know what they were doing.







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In reply to Thermal Pope • 9:22p, 9/26/21
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Wow, welcome back. I usually get at least 24hrs.
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In reply to Barnyard96 • 9:38p, 9/26/21
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Wow, welcome back. I usually get at least 24hrs.


No kidding. This guy sucks.
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7:30a, 9/27/21
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I bet the people who support lack of security and controls around systems and processes that are ripe for fraud and DGAF about so many Americans being disenfranchised, because it sure seems like their votes don't matter anyway, are happy they have heroes like Thermal Pope defending their honor on Texags.com. They already have the support of giant monopolies and global conglomerates who have thrived while smaller competition has been forced out of business. They already have their Marxist division and political opponent vilification and suppression well in control with their msm propaganda arm and their tech platform monopolies doing their bidding. But now, now they have the support of Thermal Pope on Texags to defend the fraud and convince you that 81 million biden votes- by far the most popular politician in US history, as well as the senate votes in AZ, GA, etc. despite R's gaining so many house seats and every close house race in the same election, were legit meaning Americans really wanted the destruction of itself and to build back better communist. Senile old corrupt career politicians who are owned by Marxists is exactly what America was so enthusiastic about because that's what we need right now. I wonder what Thermal Pope gets for the hard work and heroics..
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In reply to Thermal Pope • 7:54a, 9/27/21
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The problem with this stupid "defense" is it says that the audit is inaccurate because the auditors were too stupid to understand how computers work, including basic IT functions.

Even if that were the case and the data were there, why didn't the county officials help these stupid auditors get the information that they claim was there unless they had something to hide?

Edit to add that the post by the county authorities is really weak. The leftist who support unfair elections should be embarrassed by this post rather that reposting it everywhere.
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In reply to BuddysBud • 8:05a, 9/27/21
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as a former chief audit exec at a fortune 500 company, I can tell you, and you can probably imagine, what it's like to have an auditee that is open and transparent and interested to receive a report with observations and recommendations so they can improve their processes, controls, and security vs an auditee who is defensive, combative, defiant - withholds requested items and data causing scope limitations, and tries to fight against every observation and recommendation as if they were already perfect and no one can help them improve. The former will work with you through the drafting of the report so they agree on the findings, and help with the language and the appropriate solutions and recommendations. The latter will be non-responsive and wait for you to draft your observations so they can fight and deny them.. they intentionally didn't help the auditor so they could attack the auditor as "you don't know what you're talking about" later. What they don't realize is that approach will never win their desired outcome of "nothing to see here. we are perfect. no improvements necessary in our processes or systems."
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In reply to oh no • 8:37a, 9/27/21
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oh no said:
as a former chief audit exec at a fortune 500 company, I can tell you, and you can probably imagine, what it's like to have an auditee that is open and transparent and interested to receive a report with observations and recommendations so they can improve their processes, controls, and security vs an auditee who is defensive, combative, defiant - withholds requested items and data causing scope limitations, and tries to fight against every observation and recommendation as if they were already perfect and no one can help them improve. The former will work with you through the drafting of the report so they agree on the findings, and help with the language and the appropriate solutions and recommendations. The latter will be non-responsive and wait for you to draft your observations so they can fight and deny them.. they intentionally didn't help the auditor so they could attack the auditor as "you don't know what you're talking about" later. What they don't realize is that approach will never win their desired outcome of "nothing to see here. we are perfect. no improvements necessary in our processes or systems."
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REWEB1601 (as you might gather from the naming convention) connects to the internet because it is the server for http://recorder.maricopa.gov. This is not the election system. We shouldn't have to explain this.
You gottdam should have to explain it! Who the hell do you think you are?

The condescending arrogance of this statement right here is infuriating for someone who is supposed to be serving the public. This was an audit ordered by the state legislature, and to have this attitude is worthy of being fired on the spot.

It is clear as a bell that the county was completely uncooperative for the exact reason, so they could attack the audit results with their 'explanations' after it was released. They could have provided this information to the team anywhere along the way to help shape the finale report.

Regardless, the audit still shows that the election system has many vulnerabilities and they should be addressed.

Firing all of the Maricopa County election officials is a good place to start. Today.
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In reply to American Hardwood • 8:46a, 9/27/21
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This was an audit ordered by the state legislature, and to have this attitude is worthy of being fired on the spot.
Yep. If the Board of Directors or the Chief Executive asks me to audit a certain process, business unit, location, etc. and they are defiant and obstructive, they will be fired. How is the state senate auditing a county's process not the same thing? Does the arrogance and defiance, and not being afraid of being fired, come from this one county being so dominant in an otherwise small state, the $ and attorneys coming their way from DC/east coast and left coast, or some combination? State Senate needs to make sure some heads roll if systems and processes are not significantly tightened. Many of their voters are disenfranchised and this county board DGAF.
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In reply to oh no • 8:58a, 9/27/21
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This was an audit ordered by the state legislature, and to have this attitude is worthy of being fired on the spot.
Yep. If the Board of Directors or the Chief Executive asks me to audit a certain process, business unit, location, etc. and they are defiant and obstructive, they will be fired. How is the state senate auditing a county's process not the same thing? Does the arrogance and defiance, and not being afraid of being fired, come from this one county being so dominant in an otherwise small state, the $ and attorneys coming their way from DC/east coast and left coast, or some combination? State Senate needs to make sure some heads roll if systems and processes are not significantly tightened. Many of their voters are disenfranchised and this county board DGAF.
The MCBOS are elected. The chairman, Sellers, only won by a few hundred votes. Ditto for a second member, a narrow win. They had a conflict of interest. But that's why they fought it for so long, lying through their teeth the whole way.

Even if they had been more cooperative, how could the auditors rely on much of anything they said?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:08a, 9/27/21
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oh no said:
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This was an audit ordered by the state legislature, and to have this attitude is worthy of being fired on the spot.
Yep. If the Board of Directors or the Chief Executive asks me to audit a certain process, business unit, location, etc. and they are defiant and obstructive, they will be fired. How is the state senate auditing a county's process not the same thing? Does the arrogance and defiance, and not being afraid of being fired, come from this one county being so dominant in an otherwise small state, the $ and attorneys coming their way from DC/east coast and left coast, or some combination? State Senate needs to make sure some heads roll if systems and processes are not significantly tightened. Many of their voters are disenfranchised and this county board DGAF.
The MCBOS are elected. The chairman, Sellers, only won by a few hundred votes. Ditto for a second member, a narrow win. They had a conflict of interest. But that's why they fought it for so long, lying through their teeth the whole way.

Even if they had been more cooperative, how could the auditors rely on much of anything they said?
If they are elected, they certainly took the wrong approach, and their re-election is doomed (barring more cheating). It would have been far more appealing to the voters to see an election board that was interested in responding to the concerns of the voters regarding the security of their elections. There is absolutely no reason to take this defiant contentious attitude. Unless, of course being cooperative might just have exposed something they didn't want to be exposed. It's the only rational explanation.
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In reply to Thermal Pope • 9:32a, 9/27/21
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Different issue in a different state. Hand count verified the machine count, Dominion machines counted accurately.

A highly technical IT system data anomaly regarding log rotation doesn't necessarily mean fraud, there could be a boring explanation.
  • I'll listen, please explain over 30,000 attempts to log in only entering the username and no password. I believe this was done in a very short time period.

And given Cyber Ninjas propensity to step on their own d***s, I'll bet there is.

Maricopa County and Rob Graham addressed the issue thoroughly months ago, no rebuttal from the Cyber Morons.
Not sure what Colorado has to to with this?
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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In reply to American Hardwood • 9:55a, 9/27/21
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REWEB1601 (as you might gather from the naming convention) connects to the internet because it is the server for http://recorder.maricopa.gov. This is not the election system. We shouldn't have to explain this.

You gottdam should have to explain it! Who the hell do you think you are?
See, this is disgusting on so many levels. Forget the fact they did nothing to provide the auditors the information needed, but then they cherry pick comments. See this from the report.

1) "the county did not provide a network diagram, a function diagram, or any other documentation to determine if in fact a given system was supposed to be connected to the Internet."
2) MCBoE goes full peacock, but only respond to one of the six machines listed (REWEB1601). What about the other 5 that were connected?
3) Oh, and let's not forget that none of the MCBoE chest pounding matters if the REWEB1601 server was on the same LAN as the others because the entire network is to be air-gapped
4) I will go back and look at the Dominion documentation, but I don't remember seeing the need to install Democracy Suite software on a device that isn't an election system.
5) If REWEB1601 is legit and supposed to be on the Internet. How was it's patching and virus status? I will dig into this. EDIT: Section 6.5.2.1.1 points to the last updates being August 2019. For an internet connected device?
6) Also makes you wonder what was on the other EMS server not provided by MCBoE.
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10:00a, 9/27/21
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Whatever is posted on Twitter by either party to me is neat, but not of value. Get named individuals under oath and let's get on with it. Depositions should flow like a river! Asks proving questions with follow up where there are real stakes and not just Twitter censorship.
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In reply to Retired FBI Agent • 11:11a, 9/27/21
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Retired FBI Agent said:
captkirk said:
Keegan99 said:
The determinations of fraud or illegality are made by legislators and prosecutors. An auditor just reports facts.
This. They called for decertifying the election
They did no such thing in their audit report. Zero mention of it.
What is this then from the executive Summary section of the report?

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In reply to captkirk • 1:19p, 9/27/21
captkirk said:
Retired FBI Agent said:
captkirk said:
Keegan99 said:
The determinations of fraud or illegality are made by legislators and prosecutors. An auditor just reports facts.
This. They called for decertifying the election
They did no such thing in their audit report. Zero mention of it.
What is this then from the executive Summary section of the report?

https://i.groupme.com/758x92.png.16d1fe9d44bf451d910047e3dd7071eb
Good catch. My mistake. I only looked at the primary report in detail and not the executive summary. That lessens my disappointment somewhat, I suppose. But CyberNinjas providing a generalized opinion stating the results should not be certified (when they already were) rather than explicitly proposing decertification still seems weak. Certainly a far cry from the many assurances from many players stated repeatedly over the last six months that they had direct, irrefutable evidence of fraud. Over promised. Under delivered in my eyes.
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In reply to Retired FBI Agent • 1:24p, 9/27/21
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Retired FBI Agent said:
captkirk said:
Retired FBI Agent said:
captkirk said:
Keegan99 said:
The determinations of fraud or illegality are made by legislators and prosecutors. An auditor just reports facts.
This. They called for decertifying the election
They did no such thing in their audit report. Zero mention of it.
What is this then from the executive Summary section of the report?

Good catch. My mistake. I only looked at the primary report in detail and not the executive summary. That lessens my disappointment somewhat, I suppose. But CyberNinjas providing a generalized opinion stating the results should not be certified (when they already were) rather than explicitly proposing decertification still seems weak. Certainly a far cry from the many assurances from many players stated repeatedly over the last six months that they had direct, irrefutable evidence of fraud. Over promised. Under delivered in my eyes.
You would have to see exactly what their statement of work was supposed to be. Were they tasked with providing an opinion? Frankly, I don't think it was in their purview to come to that kind of conclusion whether it is fraud or decertification. Considering how they presented the material, I would say that concluding fraud or decertification was not what they were asked to do. Determining fraud or decertification or any other similar action would be more appropriately under someone else's authority.
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In reply to will25u • 3:37p, 9/27/21
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will25u said:
I doubt that many Zuckerbucks went to Florida anyway, but this absolutely needs to be done on a national level -- looking into CTCL.

Elections should never be privately funded and Zuckerberg put up almost as much as the federal government (north of $350M IIRC).

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/center-for-tech-and-civic-life/#ctcl-grant-analysis-by-state-2020

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The following information comes from various reports on CTCL spending made by the Capital Research Center (CRC), which publishes InfluenceWatch. For the original reports, see Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.

Notice anything...interesting about that list of states?


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Biden's biggest gains (exceeding 100,000 votes over 2016 turnout) were in the counties covering Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and Fort Worth, and netted him 2.8 million votes, over half of his 5.3 million votes statewide. All of these counties received substantial CTCL grants totaling $27,775,142, or 83 percent of all grants CRC has traced to Texas. Of these five, two cities (Houston and Dallas) received nearly $25 million of this sum between them. Dallas' $15 million grant is the largest grant yet identified anywhere in the country.
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4:07p, 9/27/21
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According to preliminary data, Florida localities received more than $7 million in "Zuckerbucks." 80 percent of Florida counties with populations of more than one million requested or received funding. While the grants were framed as COVID-19 related, available data suggests a tiny fraction of the dollars were requested for personal protective equipment. Zuckerbucks appear to have boosted Democrat turnout in parts of Florida. Neighboring Georgia experienced significant changes in election outcomes and turnout based on where Zuckerbucks were infused.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:35p, 9/27/21
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aggiehawg said:
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According to preliminary data, Florida localities received more than $7 million in "Zuckerbucks." 80 percent of Florida counties with populations of more than one million requested or received funding. While the grants were framed as COVID-19 related, available data suggests a tiny fraction of the dollars were requested for personal protective equipment. Zuckerbucks appear to have boosted Democrat turnout in parts of Florida. Neighboring Georgia experienced significant changes in election outcomes and turnout based on where Zuckerbucks were infused.
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Thanks hawg. You always have the receipts!
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 6:14p, 9/27/21
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I try.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:01p, 9/27/21
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I try.
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8:02p, 9/27/21
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The Arizona audit could not find an identity match on 86,391 people. This is disclosed on Page 56 of the "Results Details" report.

These Maricopa voters cast ballots in Nov 2020 and don't seem to exist. The ones registered as Democrat or selected no party affiliation represent a whopping 73.8% of these unknown voters. That's 63,757 ballots.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/not-making-headlines-az-audit-not-find-identity-86391-voters-dont-appear-exist-73-8-democrat-no-party-affiliation/
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In reply to American Hardwood • 8:36p, 9/27/21
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REWEB1601 (as you might gather from the naming convention) connects to the internet because it is the server for http://recorder.maricopa.gov. This is not the election system. We shouldn't have to explain this.


You gottdam should have to explain it! Who the hell do you think you are?


The server was for the county's public facing website, it's supposed to be connected. The Ninjas likely knew it too, they're expert at presenting their "findings" in a misleading manner.
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10:15p, 9/27/21
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Why no mention of the other 5 servers listed in the report? Appears the county is the one trying to mislead by pointing out that there may be a legitimate reason for one server, and ignoring the others in the list
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In reply to oh no • 10:22p, 9/27/21
oh no said:
I bet the people who support lack of security and controls around systems and processes that are ripe for fraud and DGAF about so many Americans being disenfranchised, because it sure seems like their votes don't matter anyway, are happy they have heroes like Thermal Pope defending their honor on Texags.com. They already have the support of giant monopolies and global conglomerates who have thrived while smaller competition has been forced out of business. They already have their Marxist division and political opponent vilification and suppression well in control with their msm propaganda arm and their tech platform monopolies doing their bidding. But now, now they have the support of Thermal Pope on Texags to defend the fraud and convince you that 81 million biden votes- by far the most popular politician in US history, as well as the senate votes in AZ, GA, etc. despite R's gaining so many house seats and every close house race in the same election, were legit meaning Americans really wanted the destruction of itself and to build back better communist. Senile old corrupt career politicians who are owned by Marxists is exactly what America was so enthusiastic about because that's what we need right now. I wonder what Thermal Pope gets for the hard work and heroics..


There was no fraud on the scale you mean. It would be impossible to pull off. It didn't happen. Cyber Ninjas finding nothing is more proof. Do you know how insane these theories dreamed up on the internet sound to us normals?

Vote switching machines, bamboo ballots, servers in Germany, Italian satellites... all with zero evidence we humored lunatics that don't have a combined hour of election experience. 6 months and $10 million were wasted in Maricopa.
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In reply to Thermal Pope • 10:34p, 9/27/21
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"I'm the normal one, trust me!" Works every time...lol.

To be honest, for the mere price of $10MM the American public has a MUCH better idea of how elections work than they did before. Way better spent than any stupid Blue Origin or Boeing space contract for billions. In short, AZ giving a world class civics class for that little sounds good to me...

Also, when was the last time someone actually audited an election like this? If it happens often I would be pleasantly surprised (and I'd be happy to review those). If not, then who IS an expert?
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In reply to JamesE4 • 10:35p, 9/27/21
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Why no mention of the other 5 servers listed in the report? Appears the county is the one trying to mislead by pointing out that there may be a legitimate reason for one server, and ignoring the others in the list


I'm sure they'll get to it it's been 1 business day. They're not the air gapped tabulator servers and the Ninjas know this.

The subtext to remember in all this is the machines counted accurately. Maricopa uses hand marked paper ballots. The machine switching theory is incontrovertibly dead, impossible, totally refuted, it's done. If anybody tried, it didn't work. No amount of security breach claims can change this fact.
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In reply to Thermal Pope • 10:56p, 9/27/21
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Wow! Reaching at straws to avoid the conclusion of the report.

If everything was run so well, then why inhibit the audit, delete data, ignore court orders, etc? The actions of the county officials fighting the audit rather than working with the auditors shows either guilt or incompetence.

Why do you support elections that are at best unreliable and at worst fraudulent.

The old story that it would be impossible to coordinate such massive fraud is a false statement.

There were only a few tens of thousands of questionable votes in a select few Democrat run cities that have had reputations for questionable elections for decades. All of these questionable states had similar mysterious vote counting interruptions in the middle of the night. And several had ballots with nonexistent chain of custody documentation arrive in the middle of the night.

And all of these cities received large grants from Zuckerberg. The illegal money from Facebook provided plenty of means for coordinating between cities.

All is well documented by Hawg and others in this thread.
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In reply to BuddysBud • 10:57p, 9/27/21
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BuddysBud said:
Wow! Reaching at straws to avoid the conclusion of the report.

If everything was run so well, then why inhibit the audit, delete data, ignore court orders, etc? The actions of the county officials fighting the audit rather than working with the auditors shows either guilt or incompetence.

Why do you support elections that are at best unreliable and at worst fraudulent.

The old story that it would be impossible to coordinate such massive fraud is a false statement.

There were only a few tens of thousands of questionable votes in. A select few in Democrat run cities that have reputations for questionable elections for decades. All of these questionable states had similar mysterious vote counting interruptions in the middle of the night. And several had ballots with nonexistent chain of custody documentation arrive in the middle of the night.

And all of these cities received large grants from Zuckerberg. The illegal money from Facebook provided plenty of means for coordinating between cities.

All is well documented by Hawg and others in this thread.
Bingo.
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