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It is, but I think that you can more easily just summarize all of this into saying that the forensics team wants full and complete access to the machines to look at whatever they want to look at and Dominion is not providing full and complete access.aggiehawg said:And that is far different from the "source code" correct?Quote:
however, the auditors, CyberNinja, want the root passwords so they can fully examine all the files and directories on these servers. ...and they are not being provided and the county says they don't have / don't know them and the auditors shouldn't need them and Dominion won't provide them. This is a red flag scope limitation preventing a full and proper audit. What are they afraid of?
Got it.
Listen to the DePerno link I just posted. Deperno just received some discovery back from the MI Sec of State confirming that she has no idea of whether the source code was escrowed as required by state law, has no idea as to how the systems work, etc. Basically saying the Sec of State was not running the election, Dominion was.
Listen to the DePerno link I just posted. Deperno just received some discovery back from the MI Sec of State confirming that she has no idea of whether the source code was escrowed as required by state law, has no idea as to how the systems work, etc. Basically saying the Sec of State was not running the election, Dominion was.
American Hardwood said:Quote:
Question: The bags in which the ballots were stored are not sealed, although the audit team has found at the bottom of many boxes cut seals of the type that would have sealed a ballot bag. Why were these seals placed at the bottom of the boxes?Here is another answer that doesn't answer the question followed by a bunch of extraneous BS to fluff up the word count and make it look like a detailed answer. You know, the kind of thing a kid in Jr. High kid might do when he can't or won't answer a question.Quote:
Answer: The bags in which Election Day ballots were stored were sealed, and the seals you found in the bottom of boxes containing Election Day ballots came off these bags. Pursuant to law (A.R.S 16-608 and Chapter 9 of Elections Procedures Manual), all Election Day ballots are transported by bi-partisan teams from vote centers to MCTEC in tamper evident sealed black canvas bags. After the Statewide Canvass and the subsequent five-day contest period concludes, teams of bi-partisan employees transfer the contents of the black canvas bags, along with the tamper evident seals that were affixed on the bag, to the long-term ballot storage boxes. Below are examples of the canvas bags and seals (they made be red, green or blue) used during transport and short-term storage.
The question was, "Why are the seals broken and at the bottom of the box?". The question wasn't if the seals were at one time on the bags. There is no explanation given to explain the cut seals.
Edit: I think I misread that answer. The answer suggests that the ballots are taken out of the bags and put in boxes. Is that correct? Why would they not just put the bags, still sealed, in the boxes? The question suggests that the ballots are still in bags in the boxes, so now I am confused. Still, the answer doesn't clearly state why the bags would ever be opened.
Yep. You're on the right track. As a trucker, every load i get has a numbered seal. If I reach my destination and the seal is not intact, I'm in deep ***** I can't verify anything in the trailer without an intact seal.
It's obvious the same should be true for those sealed ballots, but they are pretending that it's no big deal.
It should be a very big deal.
I think Dominion is in full CYA mode and can't afford to worry about optics. They have to know quite well that the establishment will crucify them once it gets down to pointing fingers between the co-conspirators.Quote:
Thank you for your insight. I agree. It is curious to me how tone deaf Dominion has been from an optics standpoint this whole time. MCBOS appear to only know what Dominion wants them to know and that's damn little.
yes. they want to root or su to root as administrators of the operating system on the box, so they can look at all the directories and files. the actual dominion software application would be an executable file (.exe) that runs on that box somewhere. Dominion developers wrote/coded/programmed the application (source code) using some language such as Java or .Net and compiled the code into an executable that is stored on the box. Cyber Ninjas aren't being given admin access to the boxes, which they need and should have. They source code is probably proprietary and they can't de-compile the exe or get a copy of the source code from Dominion.. but they can probably get test data and install the software on a test machine so they can **** around with the configurations and see how the software works.aggiehawg said:And that is far different from the "source code" correct?Quote:
however, the auditors, CyberNinja, want the root passwords so they can fully examine all the files and directories on these servers. ...and they are not being provided and the county says they don't have / don't know them and the auditors shouldn't need them and Dominion won't provide them. This is a red flag scope limitation preventing a full and proper audit. What are they afraid of?
Once the seals are removed and placed in the bottom of the bag, whether or not the election is certified, the chain of custody is broken and ripe for corruption.American Hardwood said:Quote:
Question: The bags in which the ballots were stored are not sealed, although the audit team has found at the bottom of many boxes cut seals of the type that would have sealed a ballot bag. Why were these seals placed at the bottom of the boxes?Here is another answer that doesn't answer the question followed by a bunch of extraneous BS to fluff up the word count and make it look like a detailed answer. You know, the kind of thing a kid in Jr. High kid might do when he can't or won't answer a question.Quote:
Answer: The bags in which Election Day ballots were stored were sealed, and the seals you found in the bottom of boxes containing Election Day ballots came off these bags. Pursuant to law (A.R.S 16-608 and Chapter 9 of Elections Procedures Manual), all Election Day ballots are transported by bi-partisan teams from vote centers to MCTEC in tamper evident sealed black canvas bags. After the Statewide Canvass and the subsequent five-day contest period concludes, teams of bi-partisan employees transfer the contents of the black canvas bags, along with the tamper evident seals that were affixed on the bag, to the long-term ballot storage boxes. Below are examples of the canvas bags and seals (they made be red, green or blue) used during transport and short-term storage.
The question was, "Why are the seals broken and at the bottom of the box?". The question wasn't if the seals were at one time on the bags. There is no explanation given to explain the cut seals.
Edit: I think I misread that answer. The answer suggests that the ballots are taken out of the bags and put in boxes. Is that correct? Why would they not just put the bags, still sealed, in the boxes? The question suggests that the ballots are still in bags in the boxes, so now I am confused. Still, the answer doesn't clearly state why the bags would ever be opened.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thanks.
From page 2 of the MCBOS letter to Senator Fann.
Is there any legit reason for that?
ETA: LINK to letter
Question? Why was the server still powered up in April 2021?Quote:
On April 12, 2021, the Elections Department shut down the server to be packed up and made ready for delivery to the Senate. At no point was any data deleted when shutting down the server and packing up the equipment. Windows Servers will often change the "metadata" (additional data on files such as creation date, access date, modified date, owner, etc.) on Microsoft SQL database files based on actions performed on the Microsoft SQL (MSQL) Services that are needed to run the databases. The modified dates on the files are identical in the screen shots because that is when the server was shut down, and the (MSQL) services themselves were shut down, causing the server to update the metadata on all the files to the specific time when the services were shut down. Nothing was "deleted" on April 12, 2021.
Is there any legit reason for that?
ETA: LINK to letter
That's really the point. The question wanted an explanation as to why the bags were open. The answer does not explain why the bags were open, just that they were.
Providing the pics and quoting the law don't do anything but fluff up the answer. I think that part was provided to create the impression that the auditors didn't know what they were looking at and didn't understand the law regarding sealing the bags. It is part of their strategy to paint the auditors as incompetent.
Providing the pics and quoting the law don't do anything but fluff up the answer. I think that part was provided to create the impression that the auditors didn't know what they were looking at and didn't understand the law regarding sealing the bags. It is part of their strategy to paint the auditors as incompetent.
Good question.
If these are just servers sitting in a server room or data center somewhere, then they might be always running/ never shut down and only occasionally restarted when there's an error or when the IT guy applies a patch or upgrade to Windows or SQL Server. Maybe they only had to be shut down because they were subpoenaed for the audit.Quote:
Question? Why was the server still powered up in April 2021?
Is there any legit reason for that?
....but now I'm confused.. all this talk about "root", which is a Unix/Linux O/S thing, and now they're talking about Microsoft.. Windows doesn't have "root". Maybe the server running Dominion software is Unix O/S but runs on MS SQL Server database?
...and yes, certain actions by the app might update the create or modify date on certain system files, depending on the application, but I don't think that would typically explain possibly entire files or database tables being deleted, especially if it's a specific file or table that was expected to be there.
But that's the thing. The servers are supposed to be exclusively within the secure control of the MCBOS.Quote:
If these are just servers sitting in a server room or data center somewhere, then they might be always running/ never shut down and only occasionally restarted when there's an error or when the IT guy applies a patch or upgrade to Windows or SQL Server. Maybe they only had to be shut down because they were subpoenaed for the audit.
And by definition, shouldn't routers used for the election be secure and only used for that purpose and not accessible by other county agencies??
In the letter, they liken the routers to a blueprint for a hidden safe in a house. With the blueprint, bad actors know where the safe is located. But if the routers are only used for the election and not accessible by other county agencies, where's the problem?
It could be that they are just using "root" in the generic sense meaning "root level access"; in other words, a super user.
Back to NH.
Sounds like the tabulation machine was not properly calibrated, to me. But that still doesn't make sense.
Anyone?
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Members of an audit team in Windham, New Hampshire, are finding more discrepancies in the 2020 election results in the state and suspect folds in ballots could be to blame.
"Something we strongly suspect at this juncture, based on various evidence, is that in some cases, fold lines are being interpreted by the scanners as valid votes," auditor Mark Lindeman said, according to a report by WMUR9 on Monday, after the first review of four AccuVote machines was completed over the weekend.
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Republican Gov. Chris Sununu signed legislation on April 12 ordering an audit of the ballot-counting machines and memory cards used during the 2020 general election in Windham, as well as a hand tabulation of roughly 10,000 ballots for the state House, governor, and U.S. senator races. That was after a November hand recount established discrepancies between vote totals, in particular with four of the candidates in Rockingham District 7 gaining about 300 votes, while the top-finishing Democrat, Kristi St. Laurent, lost 99 votes.
"Because if someone voted for all four Republican candidates and the ballot happened to have its fold line going through St. Laurent's target, then that might be interpreted by the machines as an overvote, which would then subtract votes from each of those four Republican candidates," said Philip Stark, another member of the three-person audit team. "Conversely, if there were not four votes already in that contest by the voter, a fold line through that target could have caused the machine to interpret it as a vote for St. Laurent."
Sounds like the tabulation machine was not properly calibrated, to me. But that still doesn't make sense.
Anyone?
What REALLY doesn't make sense is how all these "discrepancies" almost always favor democrats.
You are both missing the point. The tabulating machine was calibrated exactly the way they wanted it calibrated...so that all the "discrepancies" would add up to extra democrat votes.American Hardwood said:
What REALLY doesn't make sense is how all these "discrepancies" almost always favor democrats.
That's what I said. I meant it to sound sarcastic, but I guess it didn't come across that way.
because the election was stolen.American Hardwood said:
What REALLY doesn't make sense is how all these "discrepancies" almost always favor democrats.
Then that would indicate other tabulation machines in other counties should be tested with folded ballots to see if it was replicated elsewhere.txags92 said:You are both missing the point. The tabulating machine was calibrated exactly the way they wanted it calibrated...so that all the "discrepancies" would add up to extra democrat votes.American Hardwood said:
What REALLY doesn't make sense is how all these "discrepancies" almost always favor democrats.
Absolutely. If we were living in a civilized country with a functioning independent department of justice governed by laws instead of a banana republic, they would go around to every state, randomly pick multiple counties, seize their voting machines without advanced warning, and run a set of test ballots through them. They would do so with full transparency and publish videos of all of it, with clear results published to show whether the machines used are accurate or not. But we live in a banana republic and our elections are run by various entities owned and operated by a company whose foundations were built on election fraud used to bring marxists to power in Venezuela. We are getting very close to that time when honest men and women will need to spit on their hands, hoist the black flag, and start taking our country back from these criminals.aggiehawg said:Then that would indicate other tabulation machines in other counties should be tested with folded ballots to see if it was replicated elsewhere.txags92 said:You are both missing the point. The tabulating machine was calibrated exactly the way they wanted it calibrated...so that all the "discrepancies" would add up to extra democrat votes.American Hardwood said:
What REALLY doesn't make sense is how all these "discrepancies" almost always favor democrats.
I'd be happy if people would just start acknowledging that Dominion is a crappy system and have state AGs in states where their systems are used to sue under their respective Deceptive Trade Practices acts.txags92 said:Absolutely. If we were living in a civilized country with a functioning independent department of justice governed by laws instead of a banana republic, they would go around to every state, randomly pick multiple counties, seize their voting machines without advanced warning, and run a set of test ballots through them. They would do so with full transparency and publish videos of all of it, with clear results published to show whether the machines used are accurate or not. But we live in a banana republic and our elections are run by various entities owned and operated by a company whose foundations were built on election fraud used to bring marxists to power in Venezuela. We are getting very close to that time when honest men and women will need to spit on their hands, hoist the black flag, and start taking our country back from these criminals.aggiehawg said:Then that would indicate other tabulation machines in other counties should be tested with folded ballots to see if it was replicated elsewhere.txags92 said:You are both missing the point. The tabulating machine was calibrated exactly the way they wanted it calibrated...so that all the "discrepancies" would add up to extra democrat votes.American Hardwood said:
What REALLY doesn't make sense is how all these "discrepancies" almost always favor democrats.
If a fold in a ballot can register as a false vote, ditch the system. This is further indictment against Dominion, not a justification nor defense. They flat out suck even if they didn't intend to commit voter fraud.
I really hope AZ finds some smoking guns with this one. I think some "blue" states like VA, NM, MN, and NV should be audited forensically in addition to the purple / new blue ones like PA, MI, GA, and WI. NC was "close"/pink, but I bet it was solidly red if they do an audit. There was massive fraud across the US. Hell, phony Robert Francis and his buddies think they were close to turning TX blue- let's audit the F out of Harris, Bexar, Travis, and Dallas counties and see how close it really was. Fraud. Everywhere. We need to get some loop holes closed up. There is no reason we shouldn't have proper registration to ensure voters are alive, US citizens, over 18, not felons, and still live in that precinct and then have in-person voting with ID verification except for certain qualified absentee ballot requests with signature verification. There's no reason some of these precincts in urban counties should be kicking observers out or keeping certain observers 50 yards away, faking water main breaks, stopping and restarting counting in the wee hours, etc. There's no reason they need dozens of un-monitored "drop boxes" for a million voters who allegedly were serious enough to request an absentee ballot ahead of time yet were all somehow too lazy to drop them in the mail on time. There's also no reason an audit, and demanding answers to legitimate questions about the systems, processes, or results shouldn't be allowed and welcomed to provide confidence on the integrity of our elections. There's no reason legitimate accusations from eye witnesses of election law violations or voter fraud shouldn't be taken seriously by our court system because of cancellation fear or laziness because of cases becoming moot.
Here we go again. It's primary day in PA. today. Separate ballots for GOP contests and Dem contests.
LinkQuote:
SOUTH UNION TOWNSHIP, Pa. (KDKA) Elections officials in Fayette County are working to solve a problem dealing with voting machines not accepting ballots.
Numerous voters have contacted KDKA, reporting that their Republican ballots were not accepted.
The Fayette County Bureau of Elections has confirmed that precincts across the county are having issues with machines not scanning bar codes on all ballots, for both Republicans and Democrats.
Hutchison Elementary School, the polling location for South Union Township's 3rd voting district, was among those having issues on Tuesday morning.
Chris Varney, Judge of Elections says they were initially under the impression that it was a problem with all ballots, but then determined it was only a problem with Republican ballots.
Varney says he was unaware of which specific precincts were dealing with the same issue, but that this same issue was happening in numerous locations across Fayette County.
The solution provided by Fayette County officials was to collect ballots from voters and store them in the back of voting machines but not to scan any of them to ensure the process was handled in a fair manner.
It's unclear when the problem with scanning the ballots may be resolved.
Joe Biden is going to win the republican primary election for every statewide office...aggiehawg said:
Here we go again. It's primary day in PA. today. Separate ballots for GOP contests and Dem contests.LinkQuote:
SOUTH UNION TOWNSHIP, Pa. (KDKA) Elections officials in Fayette County are working to solve a problem dealing with voting machines not accepting ballots.
Numerous voters have contacted KDKA, reporting that their Republican ballots were not accepted.
The Fayette County Bureau of Elections has confirmed that precincts across the county are having issues with machines not scanning bar codes on all ballots, for both Republicans and Democrats.
Hutchison Elementary School, the polling location for South Union Township's 3rd voting district, was among those having issues on Tuesday morning.
Chris Varney, Judge of Elections says they were initially under the impression that it was a problem with all ballots, but then determined it was only a problem with Republican ballots.
Varney says he was unaware of which specific precincts were dealing with the same issue, but that this same issue was happening in numerous locations across Fayette County.
The solution provided by Fayette County officials was to collect ballots from voters and store them in the back of voting machines but not to scan any of them to ensure the process was handled in a fair manner.
It's unclear when the problem with scanning the ballots may be resolved.
There are 3 possibilities:aggiehawg said:I'd ba happy if people would just start acknowledging that Dominion is a crappy system and have state AGs in states where their systems are used to sue under their respective Deceptive Trade Practices acts.txags92 said:
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If a fold in a ballot can register as a false vote, ditch the system. This is further indictment against Dominion, not a justification nor defense. They flat out suck even if they didn't intend to commit voter fraud.
- Dominion is incompetent
- Dominion is corrupt
- Dominion is incompetent and corrupt
So 2/3 chance they are corrupt based on the assumptions I used in my statistical model.
(Note: "All models are wrong, some are useful" by George E.P. Box)
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
No surprise.
https://www.dominionvoting.com/election-2020-setting-the-record-straight-pennsylvania/Quote:
Dominion serves 14 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties: Armstrong, Bedford, Carbon, Clarion, Crawford, Erie, Fayette, Fulton, Jefferson, Luzerne, Montgomery, Pike, Warren, and York.
Video at LinkQuote:
The solution provided by Fayette County officials was to collect ballots from voters and store them in the back of voting machines but not to scan any of them to ensure the process was handled in a fair manner.
aggiehawg said:Video at LinkQuote:
The solution provided by Fayette County officials was to collect ballots from voters and store them in the back of voting machines but not to scan any of them to ensure the process was handled in a fair manner.
Strange indeed!Quote:
Elections officials in a Pennsylvania County are working to resolve a problem dealing with voting machines rejecting ballots.
Voting machines in Fayette County are only rejecting Republican ballots, according to Chris Varney, Judge of Elections.
At first, Varney was under the impression that there was a problem will the barcodes on all ballots, but it turns out only Republican ballots are being rejected.
How strange.
Anybody check to see how many stacks of pre-marked ballots were already in storage there before they stacked the new ones on top?aggiehawg said:Video at LinkQuote:
The solution provided by Fayette County officials was to collect ballots from voters and store them in the back of voting machines but not to scan any of them to ensure the process was handled in a fair manner.
Per Sen @FannKfann, TODAY 5/18, the AZ Senate will hold a hearing to get an update on the audit from the vendor, address the questions submitted to #AZSEN & the written response from Maricopa Co BOS. The meeting will start at 1 pm MT live streamed here:https://t.co/o4sjWgX6xR
— Dr. Kelli Ward 🇺🇸 (@kelliwardaz) May 18, 2021
Judge rules claims as 'moot' and upholds the hand count audit that took place in December in Antrim
— Jack Posobiec (@JackPosobiec) May 18, 2021
Well, frick it.
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