Those 7 - 10 seats will make the house ungovernable.

Cepe said:

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So what's the next steps?

These numbers are close enough in these battleground states for recount requests, right? That's when everything gets scrutinized?

I think that takes a few days or weeks.

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That's my thinking. There are going to be recounts I am sure.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Legitimate question, not trying to stir the pot.

My understanding is most of the remaining votes to be counted are mail in ballots in a lot of these states. Why is it automatically assumed to be fraud that Biden is taking/growing his lead in these states?

What am I missing?

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Well, part of it is wishful thinking, but there's problems with mail in/absentee ballots. The biggest is that there is no verifiable chain of custody. When people go canvas and vote harvest to turn in ballots for other people, they're not an election official. They could just as easily dump all of those ballots or go through them. Mail in is similar. It hinges upon the reliability of the post office. There is also no guarantee of where the ballots even came from. That's why in person voting with ID checks is important. The office collecting and counting the votes KNOWS who cast the ballot. It's not just a piece of paper that came from parts unknown with a name on it.

Texas counted all theirs early. They should have allowed them too. It's like this is the play Trump wanted. To play up the cheating if he needed to

aginresearch said:

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Those 7 - 10 seats will make the house ungovernable.

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Yes with the Senate staying R as well we get at least 2 years of gridlock.

Better than the alternative.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Legitimate question, not trying to stir the pot.

My understanding is most of the remaining votes to be counted are mail in ballots in a lot of these states. Why is it automatically assumed to be fraud that Biden is taking/growing his lead in these states?

What am I missing?

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Some of it is just the bad optics of the late counting of controversial mail-in ballots swinging things dramatically.

But some of the mail-in ballot dumps, exclusively in Dem-controlled Urban areas, went 100% for Biden. And 100% for any candidate almost never occurs legitimately anywhere. Add in that it's much easier to perpetrate voting fraud on a mail-in ballot, and that's why you have somewhat reasonably grounded suspicions regarding some of the late vote counts.

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Cepe said:

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So what's the next steps?

These numbers are close enough in these battleground states for recount requests, right? That's when everything gets scrutinized?

I think that takes a few days or weeks.

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That's my thinking. There are going to be recounts I am sure.

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WI, NV for sure. imho.

maybe GA, PA, NC, AZ and MI depending on the final count.

tbd

The New York Times 1m ago
Because of an error in an Edison Research data feed of results, the estimate of the counted vote in Arizona displaying on maps and tables is too high. The actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted.

The New York Times 2m ago
Because of an error in an Edison Research data feed of results, the estimate of the counted vote in Arizona displaying on maps and tables is too high. The actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted.

I guess I was just assuming the Florida mail-in ballots were the same as everywhere else, where if the seal is broken, it is thrown out. As well as the signature not matching VERY closely to your state ID.

aginresearch said:

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Those 7 - 10 seats will make the house ungovernable.

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But the gains by Rs make taking the House in two years much more reachable.

Absolutely right. In 2 years if Trump ends up losing the Republicans probably take the house back. Things are not as bad as it seems. Although I'd much rather have the executive at the end of this.

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Just an Ag said:

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This doesn't make any sense with 98% reporting

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if you look at the counties sill in question, the precincts not reported trend very conservative.
Unfortunately, they aren't very big counties. Even if it was 80/20 to Trump, unlikely you make up the difference to catch up.

what happens if neither candidate concedes?

AggieChemE09 said:

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The New York Times 2m ago
Because of an error in an Edison Research data feed of results, the estimate of the counted vote in Arizona displaying on maps and tables is too high. The actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted.

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link?

Edit, nvmdn. See it on their coverage page.

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This would be interesting...

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Would be huge.

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He has coattails to flip the House, keep the Senate yet loses the Presidency?

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It's those pesky never Trumpers. Rs turned out huge but there are some that voted R except for President.

I'm married to one of those.

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That doesn't explain massive gains in the house like we got. Never trumpers are negligible.

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Considering how close this is, no one is negligible.

According to NYT

The New York Times 3m ago
Because of an error in an Edison Research data feed of results, the estimate of the counted vote in Arizona displaying on maps and tables is too high. The actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted.

Eliminatus said:

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Cepe said:

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So what's the next steps?

These numbers are close enough in these battleground states for recount requests, right? That's when everything gets scrutinized?

I think that takes a few days or weeks.

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That's my thinking. There are going to be recounts I am sure.

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If they are close enough for a recount, they are close enough for lawsuits.

Roberts really screwed the pooch with that 4-4 non-decision. Now SCOTUS will most likely be picking the President. A result he really didn't want as it damages and delegitimizes the Court even further.

aginresearch said:

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Not AZ and NV. Election day votes. Very heavy Trump.

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These really in play for Trump?

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HossAg said:

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This doesn't make any sense with 98% reporting

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if you look at the counties sill in question, the precincts not reported trend very conservative.
Unfortunately, they aren't very big counties. Even if it was 80/20 to Trump, unlikely you make up the difference to catch up.

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AZ has said theirs is not rural vs urban like most of the others.

It is the opposite for whatever reason of most of those still counting - where it is ED voters not mail in to be counted. And ED voters were heavily Trump.

ClassOf17 said:

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According to NYT

The New York Times 3m ago
Because of an error in an Edison Research data feed of results, the estimate of the counted vote in Arizona displaying on maps and tables is too high. The actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted.

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Big if true. There's still a glimmer of hope.

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what happens if neither candidate concedes?

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We lock them in a room to fight up the death.

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Will Biden remember why he's in the room?

aggiehawg said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Cepe said:

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So what's the next steps?

These numbers are close enough in these battleground states for recount requests, right? That's when everything gets scrutinized?

I think that takes a few days or weeks.

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That's my thinking. There are going to be recounts I am sure.

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If they are close enough for a recount, they are close enough for lawsuits.

Roberts really screwed the pooch with that 4-4 non-decision. Now SCOTUS will most likely be picking the President. A result he really didn't want as it damages and delegitimizes the Court even further.

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You really see it going to SCOTUS?

No ones conceding any time soon. 2000 redeux.

Annie Karni, in Washington 1m ago
Trump campaign officials tell reporters that "if all legally cast ballots, we believe the president will win." They continue to describe Fox News, AP calls of Arizona for Biden as "just plain wrong."

FbgTxAg said:

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Good Morning

Arizona is RED.

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^ this guy

lol

well it ain't over i guess.

At this very moment, an unbiased observer would assume Biden will likely win the election. So how much damage have all those white supremacists done to our cities so far?

That NC vote appears to be frozen in amber