*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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If the machines are so insecure that an audit makes them unsecure, then we shouldn't be using those machines, no? To prevent such insecurity, Dominion machines should be outlawed by the Legislature.
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Time for the legislature to remove her from office.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Interesting. She decertifies those machines, the contract between Maricopa County and Dominion would be voided, no? So the county could purchase equipment from another vendor? That's the argument I would make anyway.

Let Dominion sue the Sec of State for tortious interference with contract.

Sometimes I crack myself up.
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Does she certify these machines based on her departments input? Or, does she have someone else provide documentation that they meet the criteria? Seems like Dominion could certify these machines to the County/State. I am sure there are other options than purchasing new machines, and how does she certify new machines? Sounds like grandstanding to me.
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buzzardb267 said:

Does she certify these machines based on her departments input? Or, does she have someone else provide documentation that they meet the criteria? Seems like Dominion could certify these machines to the County/State. I am sure there are other options than purchasing new machines, and how does she certify new machines? Sounds like grandstanding to me.
It is. She has zero reason to decertify them.
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aggiehawg said:

buzzardb267 said:

Does she certify these machines based on her departments input? Or, does she have someone else provide documentation that they meet the criteria? Seems like Dominion could certify these machines to the County/State. I am sure there are other options than purchasing new machines, and how does she certify new machines? Sounds like grandstanding to me.
It is. She has zero reason to decertify them.
Auditors touched them and examined the data and configurations on them. They are no longer safe and secure. Reeeeee!!
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TRM said:

If the machines are so insecure that an audit makes them unsecure, then we shouldn't be using those machines, no? To prevent such insecurity, Dominion machines should be outlawed by the Legislature.
Great point. If these machines are so easily manipulated why use them? They are supporting the argument made by Republicans that 1) the election could have been easily manipulated and 2) these machines should not be used.
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Here we go! Back to Georgia.





This is the case in question.



Garland Favorito is an election expert who has been fighting for more audits in Georgia. It's a start.

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In an ongoing hearing, Henry County, GA judge, the Honorable Brian J. Amero may give access to the plaintiffs (VoterGA.org, Garland Favorito, and another plaintiff) to the physical mail-in ballots in Fulton County, which could show massive election fraud in GA during the 2020 presidential election cycle, and the follow-on runoff that decided control of the U.S. Senate for the Democrat Party, leading to full control of the American government.

In the hearing, lawyers for VoterGA.org described large discrepancies (21%) between the number of ballot batches reported by the GA Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger who certified the election, and the number of ballot batches actually provided by court-ordered access in the previous April hearing in the case.
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VoterGA.org has been examining the ballot images at a low resolution since the hearing in April, and declared they need the actual physical ballots to understand the number of counterfeit ballots certified.
Fulton County attorneys pushed for a sampling of the ballots instead of access to all of the ballots. They particularly objected to access to physical ballots.

Fulton County attorneys also objected to expert witnesses testifying the number of ballot batches certified by Secretary of State Raffensperger in the previous 'risk limiting audit' were significantly different from the actual number of ballot image batches that were provided by state and county officials in court-ordered discovery in April.

Shockingly, attorneys for Fulton County declared 'the county has no control over its election tablulation process.'
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"A high number of ballots appear to have been counted twice," declared the expert witness. There was an error rate in the batch data of 21%"

The 'risk limiting audits' conducted previously in the state of GA by SoS Raffensperger were shown in today's hearing to be severely compromised.

The GA Attorney General's office testified citizens have no right to audit the vote.
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Rapier108 said:

Time for the legislature to remove her from office.
Secretary of State is an elected position, not sure the procedures under state law for removal, impeachment?
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Background on Garland Favorito:

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1. My name is Garland Favorito. I am a career Information Technology professional with over 40 years of experience in a wide variety of disciplines.

2. In 2006, I co-founded Voters Organized for Trusted Elections Results in Georgia (VoterGA) VoterGA.org is a non-partisan, non-profit, all volunteer, dues free organization that has led the Election Integrity movement here for 16 years.

3. I have roughly 18 years of experience in research, analysis, study publication and conducting presentations about Georgia's current and previous voting systems.

4. I explained in writing to Secretary of State (SOS) staff and evaluators in 2002 that most electronic systems under evaluation then were likely unconstitutional because they could not procedure verifiable, auditable and recount capable results.

5. The SOS ignored us, the legislature changed the law to allow voting with no independent audit trail, and the GA Supreme Court dismissed our law suit and allowed this travesty to continue for 18 years.

6. In 2019, a U.S. Supreme Court ruled the system was unconstitutional and banned them from future use in Georgia.
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HB316 and THE DOMINION VOTING SYSTEM

1. In 2019, the General Assembly decided to purchase a voting system even if it accumulates votes hidden in QR codes that the voter cannot read

2. Over the strenuous objections of hundreds of citizens, the legislature passed HB316 which legalized a new form of unverifiable voting

3. The SOS then purchased the Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5 Ballot Marking Device (BMD) system that had been rejected in Texas and banned in Colorado

4. The legislature and State Election Board also implemented new procedures that subverted audit and recount protections 5. It is under these conditions that I was monitoring Fulton Co. interim results for the Nov. 3 rd, 2020 election and became concerned
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FULTON INTERIM RESULTS

1. On Nov. 5th I noticed a Fulton Co. interim upload showed former V.P. Biden's Fulton vote totals increased by approximately 20,000 votes while President Trump's totals appeared to decrease approximately 1,000 votes.

2. That evening I emailed Fulton Elections Director, all Fulton Election Board members and a Fulton County election attorney about the irregularity I saw.

3. I also made an Open Records Request with them for the interim elections results summaries that were transmitted to the Secretary of State's office.

4. I received no written response from anyone at Fulton County regarding my request since that time.
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5. Since then I discovered that the national election line feeds shows huge abnormal spikes in votes for Joe Biden during the time of this particular absentee ballot processing in Fulton

6. I also noticed huge spikes in the early morning of November 4th after monitors at State Farm Arena went home even though scanning of ballots continued
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INVALID MAIL-IN BALLOTS

1. At the full hand count audit, 4 counters, who were highly experienced poll workers, noticed mail-in ballots that appeared to be fraudulent.

2. These mail-in ballots had no mailing creases, differences in paper stock and contained perfectly filled out ovals that appeared to be marked with toner instead of a writing instrument.

3. Counters were not allowed to discuss these potentially fraudulent mail-in ballots with monitors like myself during the audit.

4. There appear to be thousands of these ballots and it is imperative they be independently inspected immediately or the voters will never have assurance that the Presidential election results are correct

5. I have a pending Open Records Request with the Elections Director, the county Open Records processor, all election board members and the county election attorney to inspect these ballots now.
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HAND COUNT AUDIT

1. HB316 requires the SOS to select only one race every two years to be audited

2. On November 11th, the SOS selected the Presidential race and ordered counties to perform a full hand count of the votes cast.

3. I believed we would finally learn if the new Dominion BMD voting system counts ballots correctly.

4. As the audit started on November 13th , I was disturbed to learn that key counties resisted having monitors at the data entry point.

5. Also, the SOS forced counties to enter their data sheets into his central system and let the SOS office determine what the results of their audit were, rather than reporting their results from the bottom up according to standard election procedures used worldwide.

6. We polled all 159 counties and found that roughly 150 of them possessed no electronic total records for their own audit.

7. This top down flawed reporting structure using an ARLO program broke the reporting chain of custody and compromised audit results.

8. ARLO was created by VotingWorks which has been employed by the SOS to assist in Risk Limiting Audits (RLAs).

9. VotingWorks founder Ben Adida is a Trump hater who explicitly posted on social media "F*** Trump".

10. More importantly, the inventor of RLA procedures, Dr. Phillip Stark wrote to Georgia legislators to explain that his RLA procedures cannot be used to audit BMD systems in part, because post-election audit procedures cannot audit what the BMD displayed to the voter.

11. VotingWorks provides improper audit procedure guidance to Georgia for their own profit motive at taxpayer expense
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richardag said:

Rapier108 said:

Time for the legislature to remove her from office.
Secretary of State is an elected position, not sure the procedures under state law for removal, impeachment?
I would assume any official can be impeached by the legislature.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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oh no said:

aggiehawg said:

buzzardb267 said:

Does she certify these machines based on her departments input? Or, does she have someone else provide documentation that they meet the criteria? Seems like Dominion could certify these machines to the County/State. I am sure there are other options than purchasing new machines, and how does she certify new machines? Sounds like grandstanding to me.
It is. She has zero reason to decertify them.
Auditors touched them and examined the data and configurations on them. They are no longer safe and secure. Reeeeee!!
Auditors with no admin passwords. So how could they change the system?
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No evidence!/ lib
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Okay have been trying to track down a story this morning and finally found it. About that Pennsylvania primary this week. There are other issues in Luzerne County.

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Matthew Vough, a Democrat running for a county council term, told the Times Leader that voters told him that his name didn't appear on their ballot. He said that some Democrats got the Republican ballot.


"Who knows how many Democrats voted for Republican nominees? Who knows how many votes I lost as a result? This error didn't just affect Republicans," Vough said.

Vough added to the paper he would suggest that Luzerne County end its contract with Dominion during the next council meeting.

Morgan, meanwhile, explained to PAHomepage that "there is no evidence of any of this problem on the mail-in ballots which were produced from that file" and added that the county is "still working with Dominion to get an explanation as to how this coding error occurred. They were as surprised about it as we were."

When asked if there was any way it was the fault of the county, Morgan said, "No."

"We're doing signs, we've contacted each of the judges of elections. We've asked them to place a sign at their voting place. We're giving Republican voters the opportunity to vote by provisional or emergency ballot if they choose."
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Democrat Matthew Vough, who was on the ballot seeking nomination for a second county council term, said he received reports from several dozen Democrats who said his name did not appear on their ballot.

Vough said there's a strong possibility these and other Democrats incorrectly received the Republican ballot on their ballot marking device and thought it must be the right one because of the incorrect heading.

Vough said he knows this happened because a Democrat in his own family received the Republican ballot and reported the error to obtain the correct one.

Vough is calling for the county to get rid of the Dominion system, saying he will raise the issue at Tuesday's council meeting.
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"I believe we need to do whatever we have to to get out of that contract," Vough said.
County Republican Chairman Justin Behrens said the party will be further investigating this matter to "instill the integrity of this election."

"Somebody needs to be accountable for this mistake, whether it's the county or Dominion," Behrens said.

County Councilman Walter Griffith said he was bombarded with complaints about the ballot error since the polls opened at 7 a.m. A Republican candidate for county controller, Griffith questioned why the error was not detected through testing checks after the machines were programmed.

County Councilman Stephen J. Urban sent an email reporting the situation of a Plains Township Republican voter, saying she cast an emergency ballot early Tuesday due to the situation, but she was unable to feed it into the tabulator because they were not yet set up at that time.

"She was advised by the election official to simply hand the ballot over," Urban said. "As far as I am concerned, our county's primary is already tainted, and after the dust settles today, there are many in charge that need to resign immediately," he wrote.
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AZ legislature needs to go in dry on Maricopa County.
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Mornin' folks. Arizona again. MCBOS have their panties in a wad over the claim of the deleted directory and directed the County Attorney to send a preservation letter to Senator Fann and the auditors. It's lengthy and can be read in whole HERE.

There's a lot of parsing but what stood out to me is this line: (Emphasis added.)

"Our clients delivered the server exactly as it was kept by the Maricopa County Elections Department. Nothing was deleted, or added, from the server when we prepared it to be sent to the Senate pursuant to the Senate's subpoena."

What are they saying precisely? The first sentence was sufficient. The second sentence limited the time period to "when we prepared it to be sent...."

It occurred to me a couple of things are missing. Did they even have the admin passwords to be able to access and affect such directory to the database? That's what we have been told. That they lacked even the ability to do so. Is that no longer their position?

But who did have the passwords and access to the server? SLI and Pro V&V. And before them, Dominion, both during and for weeks after the election before they came exclusively under the control of the Maricopa County Elections Department.

In any event, sending a letter threatening some type of legal action is just intimidation and frankly, childish under these circumstances. The MCBOS made this bed for themselves by being so obstreperous and obstructive throughout the entire process. The audit was proceeding mostly smoothly and more importantly, quietly. The guy who is normally standing next to Bennett during interviews and pressers is Brakey, a self professed Trump hater and Bernie Bro who just happens to also want to find out the truth and has been scrutinizing electronic election results since 2004. He was attracted to the business because he hated W.

Brakey has also said he's reached out to the MSM to talk about the audit process but has been rebuffed. If he had seen anything untoward in how the audit was conducted (and he sees everything Bennett does) he would have said so.
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5. Also, the SOS forced counties to enter their data sheets into his central system and let the SOS office determine what the results of their audit were, rather than reporting their results from the bottom up according to standard election procedures used worldwide.

6. We polled all 159 counties and found that roughly 150 of them possessed no electronic total records for their own audit.

7. This top down flawed reporting structure using an ARLO program broke the reporting chain of custody and compromised audit results.
The "audit" was a complete sham

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5. Also, the SOS forced counties to enter their data sheets into his central system and let the SOS office determine what the results of their audit were, rather than reporting their results from the bottom up according to standard election procedures used worldwide.

6. We polled all 159 counties and found that roughly 150 of them possessed no electronic total records for their own audit.

7. This top down flawed reporting structure using an ARLO program broke the reporting chain of custody and compromised audit results.
The "audit" was a complete sham
And how much would you wager that Raffensperger set it up that way at the direction of Dominion and Gabe Sterling?
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They can parse all they want, no chain of custody so they parse..dancing around knowing about deletion. MSM will spring board this into outright lies. Justice is so over.

Election was stolen.
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Captain, this should be a new thread, yes? This is massive, and should shut up the "no evidence" crowd.
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Back to Georgia. During the supposed "recount" I saw where the procedures were to place ballots in two piles, one for Trump and one for Biden. Then when one hundred ballots were in a pile, they would run them through the "scanners." Only the scanners were set to count only the number of ballots, not which candidate was selected. Observers were kept far enough away that they could not see whether the "Biden" pile was actually all Biden votes and the same for Trump.

From an eyewitness:
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"During the recount of the 2020 Presidential Election workers were just counting the numbers of ballots, the pieces of paper, and I think they were counting stacks of papers more than once. We were told we were not allowed to get close enough to see details of what they were doing," the eyewitness said. "Me and two other ladies kept getting pushed back and they both had the same reaction I had about it, like we were just wasting our time."

"I am convinced something is very strong with the election, I want some answers," she told me. "I am not a Republican, but I volunteered with the GOP because I was so mad about the election and I wanted to do something," she said.
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HER EXPERIENCE
The following is a complete and unedited statement from her about her experience:
" I have never been involved in politics or a "member" of any other party organization before. When I saw the Nov 3rd election go awry in the early morning hours, alarm bells were ringing loudly. The media is so dishonest that I didn't know what to believe, but I wanted to get involved. I didn't know how so like most I watched the chaos and sat by. Then when I heard about the recount I figured there must be a way to get involved. I Googled GA GOP recount and found a website to volunteer. I live in a very small town so I knew whatever recount happened here would just be silly.

So, I decided to volunteer where potential issues may be found, and I asked for the Atlanta area and was assigned to Dekalb County. It is approximately 2.5-3 hours from me depending on traffic.

I took the day off November 27th and without telling anyone, even my family I headed up for the recount.

I arrived when I was told to. I had to leave all my belongings in my car, even my cell phone. When I went inside they checked my temperature and I had to wear a mask. We had been given letters of approval from the SOS office that I presented to a lady at the check-in table. I received a name tag that each time I left the building had to be returned and then picked back up.

It was a huge building like an empty department store. There was a visitor viewing area roped off with tape. I was allowed inside the recount area where there were about 15-20 tables set up. 3-4 people at each table with a computer and a scanner.

One table had multiple monitors which looked like video surveillance. As I started to wander around and observe, any time I got within 6-8 feet of a table I was told to back up. At that distance, no ballots could be looked at and it was impossible to see what the computers were displaying before during, and after each scanned batch.

We had been told absentee should be completed prior to other ballots but only one table was doing absentee the others were doing computer-generated ballots. They were a different size. I think I didn't push the boundaries because of the virus, not that I was worried but some people at that time were weird about it. I should have been more aggressive, I regret that.

I located a poll worker and asked her what was being done at each table.


She said they were counting the number of ballots. I asked if they were comparing the candidate votes to what the machine count was and she said no. She said they were just making sure that there were 100 ballots in each batch. I asked her to repeat that and then asked what the point of counting paper was. She said they wanted to make sure the number of votes matched the number of ballots. We had been told the votes would be counted not the ballots.

3 things that really annoyed me were 1. I absolutely was not allowed close enough to even figure out what they were doing for myself without being told to back up. 2. the workers were within a 2-foot distance of each other so I knew my imposed distance was not related to the pandemic. 3. All of the poll workers at the tables at one time or another had their phones out using them right by the ballots and I was unable to document it because my phone was in the car.


I spoke to others who had been monitors that day and the day before and they expressed the same frustrations. None of us felt like our presence was needed or worthwhile because really we were useless. In my opinion, it was a time-wasting sham and I felt like Raffensberger and crew knew that. It was so obvious that the whole thing was just for show.

Nothing would be accomplished counting paper but they would tell everyone that they had done two recounts so there was no way there was a fraud. And so they did. It really was a joke. It's why people like me do not usually get involved, I mean we can't make a difference so why bother.


As our country literally goes to **** we sit by and let it happen. I have friends who never see the news and they are happy in their ignorance. I want to scream and make a change but have no idea how. I think conservatives are too polite and it is time we got loud and let everyone know that they have been lied to and things are really bad. But what difference does it make? I think we have to reach out and white people need to connect with our neighbors of color and vice versa to let the world know we are NOT divided. We are all equal and the swamp is wrong.

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I think, from what I hear in GA that it wouldn't hurt to have a hand audit. There are so many questions that I think voters would feel better to know once and for all if the vote was rigged. We hear that counties do not have a chain of custody for drop-off ballots and we all saw them stop counting in the middle of the vote count. It's that nagging thought that it might be a problem.

When Kemp did not call a special session on the original vote, me and many others felt like we weren't being heard. I think an audit would lead to more voter participation in the next election.

I am not a conspiracy theorist at all but I am intelligent and I know that the election was tampered with I'm just not sure how.
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Okay have been trying to track down a story this morning and finally found it. About that Pennsylvania primary this week. There are other issues in Luzerne County.

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Matthew Vough, a Democrat running for a county council term, told the Times Leader that voters told him that his name didn't appear on their ballot. He said that some Democrats got the Republican ballot.

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"She was advised by the election official to simply hand the ballot over," Urban said. "As far as I am concerned, our county's primary is already tainted, and after the dust settles today, there are many in charge that need to resign immediately," he wrote.
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The state needs to shut down the election and sue Dominion for all the expense for a new election with new election equipment bought from a different vendor.
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How do folds count as votes?? Scanners should not be set to that low of a level, should they???
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These idiots are still spreading the lie that the auditors accused them of deleting the database. They never said that, they only asked why it was deleted.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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richardag said:

These idiots are still spreading the lie that the auditors accused them of deleting the database. They never said that they only asked why it was deleted.
You know me well enough to know that I have been appalled at how often news reports which are hearsay and mostly anonymous are used in legal pleadings as of the last decade or so.

That is not evidence.
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snowdog90 said:

captkirk said:




Captain, this should be a new thread, yes? This is massive, and should shut up the "no evidence" crowd.
It should but won't shut up the "no evidence" crowd, they have been lied to and fed a false narrative for so long it is embarrassing.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

These idiots are still spreading the lie that the auditors accused them of deleting the database. They never said that they only asked why it was deleted.
You know me well enough to know that I have been appalled at how often news reports which are hearsay and mostly anonymous are used in legal pleadings as of the last decade or so.

That is not evidence.
Agreed, it's like the idiots didn't even read the letter the Senate sent to the SoS requesting information.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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richardag said:

aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

These idiots are still spreading the lie that the auditors accused them of deleting the database. They never said that they only asked why it was deleted.
You know me well enough to know that I have been appalled at how often news reports which are hearsay and mostly anonymous are used in legal pleadings as of the last decade or so.

That is not evidence.
Agreed, it's like the idiots didn't even read the letter the Senate sent to the SoS requesting information.
But I read the preservation letter the County Attorney sent to Fann and the auditors. They abandoned the password argument that they didn't ever have them. Instead the said in an underlined paragraph that they didn't change anything only while they were preparing the equipment for transport.

Legal speak if they were refuting a claim that the directory of databases "before" transport to the auditors, would read thusly. "AT NO TIME, EITHER DURING THE ELECTION, THE AUDITS BY EAC ACCREDITED AUDITORS, WAS ANYTHING DELETED NOR CHANGED IN ANY MANNER!"

That's a denial. What they said in the preservation letter was not. They limited the time frame. Now maybe the County Attorney who drafted that letter is a bad attorney and can't draft legal letters appropriately. Hey, happened to me when I was unsure and not in command of the subject matter, as obviously that attorney was not. Sometimes time constraints mean you have to rely on your client telling you things.

I am not a cyber wirehead. I doubt there are any elected officials in most anywhere that are. If they were, they would be making a helluva more money in the private sector instead of public office.

I might have been born before my time.
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will25u said:


This type of response from Hobbs gives me hope.
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