South Africa Prepares to Begin Seizing Land From White Landowners

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JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa's government laid out conditions on Sunday for when land might be confiscated without reimbursement, saying a new law submitted to parliament would pass constitutional muster and reassure investors unnerved about property rights.

The law would allow land to be confiscated without reimbursement in certain cases if it is unused, abandoned or poses a safety risk, Public Works and Infrastructure Minister Patricia de Lille told a news conference.

But she emphasized that compensation would also be possible and final decisions would be in the hands of the courts.

"The bill brings certainty to South Africans and investors because it clearly outlines how expropriation can be done," she said.

"The bill outlines circumstances when it may be just and equitable for nil compensation to be paid. It does not prescribe that nil compensation will be paid in all circumstances."

Land is one of the most emotive issues in South Africa, where most privately owned land remains in white hands more than two decades after the end of apartheid.
https://www.reuters.com/article/safrica-land/south-africa-lays-out-conditions-to-seize-land-says-investors-will-be-reassured-idUSL8N2H20JO

This will end about as well as it did in Zimbabwe.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

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JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa's government laid out conditions on Sunday for when land might be confiscated without reimbursement, saying a new law submitted to parliament would pass constitutional muster and reassure investors unnerved about property rights.

The law would allow land to be confiscated without reimbursement in certain cases if it is unused, abandoned or poses a safety risk, Public Works and Infrastructure Minister Patricia de Lille told a news conference.

But she emphasized that compensation would also be possible and final decisions would be in the hands of the courts.

"The bill brings certainty to South Africans and investors because it clearly outlines how expropriation can be done," she said.

"The bill outlines circumstances when it may be just and equitable for nil compensation to be paid. It does not prescribe that nil compensation will be paid in all circumstances."

Land is one of the most emotive issues in South Africa, where most privately owned land remains in white hands more than two decades after the end of apartheid.
https://www.reuters.com/article/safrica-land/south-africa-lays-out-conditions-to-seize-land-says-investors-will-be-reassured-idUSL8N2H20JO

This will end about as well as it did in Rhodesia.
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Ags4DaWin
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This is what happens when you allow masses of people into your country for cheap labor, but don't force them to integrate into your society and then also don't force them to leave.
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They should a find a way to destroy it. Like the old Carthage legend --- or how went on in Atlas Shrugged.

OR, here's a nifty one -- hastily sell it first to Chinese or Russian occupation. Straight up hand-over. ;-)
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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We should leave Africa to Africa.
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Depending on one's world view, the whole place might qualify as a s***hole continent.
Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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What is to stop these land owners from burning everything to the ground and salting the fields? Seems reasonable if they are going to take everything from you
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

We should leave Africa to Africa.
Not our circus...
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Word on the street is the independence movement in the Western Cape is gaining steam. Could get ugly. Get your short shorts and FALs boys!
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Rhodesians never die!
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And turn a deaf ear to pleas for food and assistance when they fall on their face.
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AgBQ-00 said:

What is to stop these land owners from burning everything to the ground and salting the fields? Seems reasonable if they are going to take everything from you
Pretty sure they throw you in jail for that...
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Bucketrunner said:

And turn a deaf ear to pleas for food and assistance when they fall on their face.
yeah I wish the USA has been feedings Zimbabwe for years.
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Africa was, is, and probably always will be such a disaster. A geopolitical nightmare that unfortunately, we have to meddle in to some extent to stay competitive.
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Have no idea why anybody would want to live in Africa, the whites should just effing leave and let the natives "thrive"
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When will this happen here?
I'm sure the Comrads of Biden Would just consider it reparations.
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What should I google to get a good summary of what's going on? I know this situation has been going downhill over the past few years - I assume a larger context involving the history and cultures of the place are at play, but curious about the most recent period that has got the situation to this point. TIA
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They aren't necessarily "fighting" against the "natives".
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Who is John Galt?
The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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hedge said:

Have no idea why anybody would want to live in Africa, the whites should just effing leave and let the natives "thrive"


Thrive? You call starving babies, bad water, and aids galore thrive. Wow I say if you let them have it watch them fail.
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YouTube Lauren Southern. She has documented the murders of S African farming families for years. It is alarming to say the least. Most of these are targeted and involve extreme torture & cruelty, including towards kids.




I would open our immigration system to any farmer from SAfrica. These are good people who are truly in fear for their lives.
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There's a reason I put thrive in quotations
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They go to Russia.
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This won't and can't happen in America. I am a farmer. I have worked and sweated to pay for the land that I own. Nobody is going to forcibly remove my property from me without just compensation. The reason I know this is that I am equally equipped, or may have a slight advantage, in firepower over the local law enforcement that would be coming to take my land. That is the beauty of the 2nd amendment.

Deniers always say that the 2nd amendment doesn't matter because nobody can go up against the US Military. That is true if you don't account for the soldiers that would defect and believe that only a small group would dare defy the federal government.

However, any law enacted to remove property that resulted in shots from citizens would first be carried out by local law enforcement.

If you want to go full doomsday scenario, and the full force of the military was used against civilians, it would be a bloody fight with no clear favorite. There will be no nukes used against civilians, it will be door to door guerrilla warfare from one coast to the other. That doesn't bode well for a standing army.
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Why Russia?
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chickenfingers said:

Why Russia?


Putin offered free passage
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gkaggie08 said:

This won't and can't happen in America. I am a farmer. I have worked and sweated to pay for the land that I own. Nobody is going to forcibly remove my property from me without just compensation. The reason I know this is that I am equally equipped, or may have a slight advantage, in firepower over the local law enforcement that would be coming to take my land. That is the beauty of the 2nd amendment.

Deniers always say that the 2nd amendment doesn't matter because nobody can go up against the US Military. That is true if you don't account for the soldiers that would defect and believe that only a small group would dare defy the federal government.

However, any law enacted to remove property that resulted in shots from citizens would first be carried out by local law enforcement.

If you want to go full doomsday scenario, and the full force of the military was used against civilians, it would be a bloody fight with no clear favorite. There will be no nukes used against civilians, it will be door to door guerrilla warfare from one coast to the other. That doesn't bode well for a standing army.
The military argument is absurd. Anyone who has read accurate history rather than campus variety knows better. When you are talking about that kind of war, there are no rules. Entire platoons or battalions would break up along family lines. A strongman might figure out there was more support for getting rid of the leaders ordering the land confiscation. Kind of like how Bonaparte was enthusiastically supported against the Jacobins.

As for the more general view, no matter what the pretext for it is -- incident, safety, etc -- never disarm and it should be okay. Keep deterrence in the picture rather than relying on the non-existent morals of the activist class.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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FPS_Dough said:

chickenfingers said:

Why Russia?


Putin offered free passage


My understanding is that Australia & New Zealand have been choices 1 & 2, but that was pre-covid lockdowns in both countries. I have not heard Russia, but I guess anything is possible when you are desparate.
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The model used in S.A. Is currently being implemented in the USA.

BLM
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Ubitag said:

The model used in S.A. Is currently being implemented in the USA.

BLM
Maybe...not quite. But just don't repeat the dis-arming part. Do the detach part before if needed.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

We should leave Africa to Africa.


We brought Africa to the US for two centuries and now Africa is coming back to bite us in the ass. We should pay attention to what is going on in S.A. because they are just a couple decades ahead of us. Whites will be the minority here soon.
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