RebelE Infantry said:

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You mind sending me your reading list? Decided that this will be my next deep dive.

Thanks.

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Sure, you got an email? Or want me to post here? Mine is user name at gmail.

Email sent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/12/how-to-kill-a-country/302845/

Older article but a lot of good info. #5 is particularly relevant today with the woke indoctrination occurring in our schools.

https://streamable.com/6gtm4j

Boer General declares war on the South African government.

South Africa is going to get hot very soon.

black_ice said:

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I've heard horrible stories about what happens to the white SA women. Terrible.

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Children raped, then boiled to death in front of mothers.

Kids limbs removed in front of parents

Woman raped & cut to pieces in front of husbands

These are some of the things actually happening to white S.A. farmers for the past 10 years. It's really hard to imagine, but there is a large radical faction in power claiming the whites colonized the land back in the 1600? and their Zulu heritage justifies these types of savage responses.

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So sad. South Africa is an incredible place. Spent almost a year there.

There are alot of things one can say about it. About its history on race. About how the world views its history on race. Lessons we can learn. I mean, we wont do any of that, but its a fascinating exercise.

The remaining Afrikaaners and English still there need to up their efforts on immigration. I don't see how this ends any other way than poorly. Maybe even worse than that.

What is still sad is that these Afrikaaners are in fact African. They view themselves that way. They have no ties to Europe. They are African through and through. The whole world is essentially telling them, but yeah, your skin color...sorry about that bro, but for the last 500 years, you were just visiting. Sorry, but go somewhere else.

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The land repatriation regimes are BS, need to be negotiated and voluntary IMO, and funds set aside by former colonial powers where apropos to fund the programs (because they are enacted as a populist measure that has no concern for the generational white Africans as landowners).

That out if the way this post is hilarious. Afrikaaners suppressed other Africans' votes and rights through the 1980s* based on skin color. Notwithstanding the 10% white minority disenfranchising Africans based on their skin color, when representational democracy was finally enacted in South Africa the English and Boers votes count just as much as all others.

No different than minorities here, excepting the absence of a superpower longing for their immigration.

*The difference between the colonies that gained independence in the 40s and 50s and the post colonial white minority hold outs in Africa in the 70s and 80s seem so distant and different in my mind. But now looking on so many decades later than can probably all be lumped together as people's looking to self-govern and overthrow foreign or white minority rule.

Faustus said:

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Tex117 said:

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So sad. South Africa is an incredible place. Spent almost a year there.

There are alot of things one can say about it. About its history on race. About how the world views its history on race. Lessons we can learn. I mean, we wont do any of that, but its a fascinating exercise.

The remaining Afrikaaners and English still there need to up their efforts on immigration. I don't see how this ends any other way than poorly. Maybe even worse than that.

What is still sad is that these Afrikaaners are in fact African. They view themselves that way. They have no ties to Europe. They are African through and through. The whole world is essentially telling them, but yeah, your skin color...sorry about that bro, but for the last 500 years, you were just visiting. Sorry, but go somewhere else.

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The land repatriation regimes are BS, need to be negotiated and voluntary IMO, and funds set aside by former colonial powers where apropos to fund the programs (because they are enacted as a populist measure that has no concern for the generational white Africans as landowners).

That out if the way this post is hilarious. Afrikaaners suppressed other Africans' votes and rights through the 1980s* based on skin color. Notwithstanding the 10% white minority disenfranchising Africans based on their skin color, when representational democracy was finally enacted in South Africa the English and Boers votes count just as much as all others.

No different than minorities here, excepting the absence of a superpower longing for their immigration.

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Robert mugabe is that you ?

FPS_Dough said:

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Faustus said:

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Tex117 said:

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So sad. South Africa is an incredible place. Spent almost a year there.

There are alot of things one can say about it. About its history on race. About how the world views its history on race. Lessons we can learn. I mean, we wont do any of that, but its a fascinating exercise.

The remaining Afrikaaners and English still there need to up their efforts on immigration. I don't see how this ends any other way than poorly. Maybe even worse than that.

What is still sad is that these Afrikaaners are in fact African. They view themselves that way. They have no ties to Europe. They are African through and through. The whole world is essentially telling them, but yeah, your skin color...sorry about that bro, but for the last 500 years, you were just visiting. Sorry, but go somewhere else.

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The land repatriation regimes are BS, need to be negotiated and voluntary IMO, and funds set aside by former colonial powers where apropos to fund the programs (because they are enacted as a populist measure that has no concern for the generational white Africans as landowners).

That out if the way this post is hilarious. Afrikaaners suppressed other Africans' votes and rights through the 1980s* based on skin color. Notwithstanding the 10% white minority disenfranchising Africans based on their skin color, when representational democracy was finally enacted in South Africa the English and Boers votes count just as much as all others.

No different than minorities here, excepting the absence of a superpower longing for their immigration.

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Robert mugabe is that you ?

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He dead. I called his repatriation regime garbage that decimated the country.

The post was about South Africa. Ian Douglas Smith, is that you?

Faustus said:

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FPS_Dough said:

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Faustus said:

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Tex117 said:

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So sad. South Africa is an incredible place. Spent almost a year there.

There are alot of things one can say about it. About its history on race. About how the world views its history on race. Lessons we can learn. I mean, we wont do any of that, but its a fascinating exercise.

The remaining Afrikaaners and English still there need to up their efforts on immigration. I don't see how this ends any other way than poorly. Maybe even worse than that.

What is still sad is that these Afrikaaners are in fact African. They view themselves that way. They have no ties to Europe. They are African through and through. The whole world is essentially telling them, but yeah, your skin color...sorry about that bro, but for the last 500 years, you were just visiting. Sorry, but go somewhere else.

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The land repatriation regimes are BS, need to be negotiated and voluntary IMO, and funds set aside by former colonial powers where apropos to fund the programs (because they are enacted as a populist measure that has no concern for the generational white Africans as landowners).

That out if the way this post is hilarious. Afrikaaners suppressed other Africans' votes and rights through the 1980s* based on skin color. Notwithstanding the 10% white minority disenfranchising Africans based on their skin color, when representational democracy was finally enacted in South Africa the English and Boers votes count just as much as all others.

No different than minorities here, excepting the absence of a superpower longing for their immigration.

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Robert mugabe is that you ?

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He dead. I called his repatriation regime garbage that decimated the country.

The post was about South Africa.

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Same rehortic he use.also you are sip why are you posting here ? Tired of getting your head caved in on rivalries?

Faustus said:

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FPS_Dough said:

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Faustus said:

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Tex117 said:

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So sad. South Africa is an incredible place. Spent almost a year there.

There are alot of things one can say about it. About its history on race. About how the world views its history on race. Lessons we can learn. I mean, we wont do any of that, but its a fascinating exercise.

The remaining Afrikaaners and English still there need to up their efforts on immigration. I don't see how this ends any other way than poorly. Maybe even worse than that.

What is still sad is that these Afrikaaners are in fact African. They view themselves that way. They have no ties to Europe. They are African through and through. The whole world is essentially telling them, but yeah, your skin color...sorry about that bro, but for the last 500 years, you were just visiting. Sorry, but go somewhere else.

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The land repatriation regimes are BS, need to be negotiated and voluntary IMO, and funds set aside by former colonial powers where apropos to fund the programs (because they are enacted as a populist measure that has no concern for the generational white Africans as landowners).

That out if the way this post is hilarious. Afrikaaners suppressed other Africans' votes and rights through the 1980s* based on skin color. Notwithstanding the 10% white minority disenfranchising Africans based on their skin color, when representational democracy was finally enacted in South Africa the English and Boers votes count just as much as all others.

No different than minorities here, excepting the absence of a superpower longing for their immigration.

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Robert mugabe is that you ?

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He dead. I called his repatriation regime garbage that decimated the country.

The post was about South Africa. Ian Douglas Smith, is that you?

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Ian Smith fight the nazis and turned Rhodesia into a thriving country now look at zim

Faustus said:

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FPS_Dough said:

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Faustus said:

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Tex117 said:

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So sad. South Africa is an incredible place. Spent almost a year there.

There are alot of things one can say about it. About its history on race. About how the world views its history on race. Lessons we can learn. I mean, we wont do any of that, but its a fascinating exercise.

The remaining Afrikaaners and English still there need to up their efforts on immigration. I don't see how this ends any other way than poorly. Maybe even worse than that.

What is still sad is that these Afrikaaners are in fact African. They view themselves that way. They have no ties to Europe. They are African through and through. The whole world is essentially telling them, but yeah, your skin color...sorry about that bro, but for the last 500 years, you were just visiting. Sorry, but go somewhere else.

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The land repatriation regimes are BS, need to be negotiated and voluntary IMO, and funds set aside by former colonial powers where apropos to fund the programs (because they are enacted as a populist measure that has no concern for the generational white Africans as landowners).

That out if the way this post is hilarious. Afrikaaners suppressed other Africans' votes and rights through the 1980s* based on skin color. Notwithstanding the 10% white minority disenfranchising Africans based on their skin color, when representational democracy was finally enacted in South Africa the English and Boers votes count just as much as all others.

No different than minorities here, excepting the absence of a superpower longing for their immigration.

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Robert mugabe is that you ?

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He dead. I called his repatriation regime garbage that decimated the country.

The post was about South Africa. Ian Douglas Smith, is that you?

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You here too? Your posts are literally pick your nose, can't add 1+1, clear sky isnt blue level ignorance. You literally know absolutely nothing about what you are posting.

There's a lot of romanticism about Rhodesia on here which I understand, but I think people fail to realize blacks and whites back then were essentially two different classes, not as bad as SA but still bad. Imagine a small arab minority population controlling all the power and government in Sweden , most on here would not be favorable of it

hedge said:

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There's a lot of romanticism about Rhodesia on here which I understand, but I think people fail to realize blacks and whites back then were essentially two different classes, not as bad as SA but still bad. Imagine a small arab minority population controlling all the power and government in Sweden , most on here would not be favorable of it

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Blacks did much bettr under Ian Smith's government than Mugabe..Smith was in the slow process of granting majority rule until the UK and the rest of the world pulled the wrong from under them.

I think the vast majority of folks on here recognize SA's past with apartheid.

The problem is that we are now entering "two wrongs make a right" territory with black rulers over the whites. Arguably already are via violent crime against whites. Rape capital of the world and all.

I agree, but I don't think the issue is as black and white as people make it

THe biggest part of our emotional connection to the Whites that are left in SA is that we perceive them as our cultural brothers purposely being exposed and left to being slowly obliterated by a culture that is so abhorrent to westerners that we can understand it. The African cultural basis is vulgar, wild and uncivilized. The Afrikaners etc that are there are not allowed to have a reciprocal response to the destruction of their being and to enjoy and spread the stabilizing effects of western civilization.

I would love to see Faustus on a farm in SA alone for 6 months.

hedge said:

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There's a lot of romanticism about Rhodesia on here which I understand, but I think people fail to realize blacks and whites back then were essentially two different classes, not as bad as SA but still bad. Imagine a small arab minority population controlling all the power and government in Sweden , most on here would not be favorable of it

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I disliked their apartheid policies but consider the murderous tribal genocidal swings of their northern neighbors and the feudal mentality of the dictators of those countries. More black people owned motor vehicles in South Africa at the height of apartheid than did all of the citizens of the USSR at any time.

hedge said:

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There's a lot of romanticism about Rhodesia on here which I understand, but I think people fail to realize blacks and whites back then were essentially two different classes, not as bad as SA but still bad. Imagine a small arab minority population controlling all the power and government in Sweden , most on here would not be favorable of it

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After seeing the blacks in Zimbabwe is it any surprise why the whites controlled everything? It's not like they purposely tried to make a racial hierarchy, that's just how it works in Africa where the average IQ of the continent around 65 while the average white IQ is 100. It's not at all a surprise everything was controlled by and run by whites. People don't like talking about these things though.

hedge said:

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I agree, but I don't think the issue is as black and white as people make it

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I see what you did

I get what you're saying, that being said how do you think the outside world viewed it

Faustus said:

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Tex117 said:

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So sad. South Africa is an incredible place. Spent almost a year there.

There are alot of things one can say about it. About its history on race. About how the world views its history on race. Lessons we can learn. I mean, we wont do any of that, but its a fascinating exercise.

The remaining Afrikaaners and English still there need to up their efforts on immigration. I don't see how this ends any other way than poorly. Maybe even worse than that.

What is still sad is that these Afrikaaners are in fact African. They view themselves that way. They have no ties to Europe. They are African through and through. The whole world is essentially telling them, but yeah, your skin color...sorry about that bro, but for the last 500 years, you were just visiting. Sorry, but go somewhere else.

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The land repatriation regimes are BS, need to be negotiated and voluntary IMO, and funds set aside by former colonial powers where apropos to fund the programs (because they are enacted as a populist measure that has no concern for the generational white Africans as landowners).

That out if the way this post is hilarious. Afrikaaners suppressed other Africans' votes and rights through the 1980s* based on skin color. Notwithstanding the 10% white minority disenfranchising Africans based on their skin color, when representational democracy was finally enacted in South Africa the English and Boers votes count just as much as all others.

No different than minorities here, excepting the absence of a superpower longing for their immigration.

*The difference between the colonies that gained independence in the 40s and 50s and the post colonial white minority hold outs in Africa in the 70s and 80s seem so distant and different in my mind. But now looking on so many decades later than can probably all be lumped together as people's looking to self-govern and overthrow foreign or white minority rule.

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I didn't say the Afrikaaners didn't do atrocious things to stay in power. Indeed, we should ignore the calls for peace of Mandela and make two wrongs against people because...they have it coming. Yes, the best way to move forward with a society.

Come on dude. Your post is even more hilarious because while you do describe history, you have zero idea how all of this played out in practice. Go back to wiki.

hedge said:

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I get what you're saying, that being said how do you think the outside world viewed it

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The same way everything with whites and blacks is viewed. Whitey bad, blacks victims. These things are never ever viewed with any nuance.

Yep

In a perfect world, the Boers would comprise the bulk of our immigrants. Their position is not sustainable in SA and they would be an asset to states like Texas.

South Africa can be summarized best in this way. The ruling party has always needed to flex their muscles over the majority non ruling races for any semblance of order. There is no unifying thing in South Africa. Religion, race, ethnicity, language, Bill of Rights, or sport. As such the use of intersectionality has no check and balance. People can only be grouped together on a level of humanity but that is too general to be a point of rally.

America has several unifying traits and we are still at the point of canceling people's lives and burning down their homes.

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After seeing the blacks in Zimbabwe is it any surprise why the whites controlled everything? It's not like they purposely tried to make a racial hierarchy, that's just how it works in Africa where the average IQ of the continent around 65 while the average white IQ is 100. It's not at all a surprise everything was controlled by and run by whites. People don't like talking about these things though.

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its not just IQ, its a complete inability to give proper nutrition, education, and impart ethics into that population. nutrition, education, etc., can over time raise that IQ. if done well, in theory, it could create a great society.

but its not like here, where everyone speaks english and the african population is a minority that the majority can help with education and nutrition, etc. Even here it has been extremely difficult for a lot of reasons.

almost 600 years ago, europeans colonized an almost empty land, and handled the few hottentots and other locals as well or better than anywhere else in the world. then the northern 'african' tribes invaded from the north in the 1800's.

things stabilized for a while, but soon, by the 20th century, millions of immigrants from a 1000 tribes and languages flooded into the only first world country on the continent seeking a better life (which they found even in apartheid).

the country had thousands of miles of open borders and a first world population of only a few million people. there was no possible way to control that border.

when these immigrants got riled up, they didnt just 'form gangs' and 'sometimes rob 7-11's and sell drugs' they rampaged in hordes with machetes and killed and tortured anyone in their way, and didnt even speak the language. and they didnt speak the language of their next door tribe.

their numbers defied citizenship, education, nutrition, wealth - no possible way whatsoever to accomplish those things. also no possible way to kill that many invaders. no way to keep them out.

apartheid was a RESPONSE to that immigration. an attempt to keep control, and try to build something. morally reprehensible? yes in the abstract. no in any practical sense.

it was also inevitable that it would fail. can't kill em. can't turn them into good citizens. can't make em leave. it's over, sooner or later.

other europeans gave food and health care to expand populations, but no education or culture or wealth - the worst of everything.

no surprise that it is now a brutal, lawless, corrupt, communist ****hole just like the rest of the continent.

culture is fate.

the international socialists and their cronies accelerated the end, and did it the wrong way, as usual.

maybe if massive international aid had come in to help control immigration, provide nutrition for them, force education and ethics on them, maybe they could have eased out of apartheid into a prosperous mixed race but one cultured nation, but that would have required a massive effort done in good faith.

what we got instead was sanctions, irrational bull**** emotional pressure, and the corruption that must go with it; and as always, what they accomplished was worse for EVERY single person in SA, other than those few of the most corrupt, conniving, violent *******s that always rise to the top in that kind of situation.

we helped colllapse the foundations of one of the few first world countries, without doing anything to bring up the third world base.

In 20 years, SA will be a barren wasteland. No economic strength whatsoever. Everyone in the world who was civilized started pointing their finger at the SA government decades ago, telling them how evil they were to carry on apartheid. Eventually, the international and internal pressure was too much for the old system to survive.

The biggest change was made basically 30 years ago. I ask you; is SA a better place now? Does the average person their have a better life now? A better or more promising future?

Hundreds of years ago some hard working people went there and built a prosperous and efficient nation. So much so that those who were the have nots/outsiders jealousy forced change to take what they felt was owed to them, even though they didn't earn it.

Political power was passed to a socialist/communist power base with a racial axe to grind. Murder, rape, theft, and corruption are now the order of the day.

How's that working?

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In 20 years, SA will be a barren wasteland. No economic strength whatsoever. Everyone in the world who was civilized started pointing their finger at the SA government decades ago, telling them how evil they were to carry on apartheid. Eventually, the international and internal pressure was too much for the old system to survive.

The biggest change was made basically 30 years ago. I ask you; is SA a better place now? Does the average person their have a better life now? A better or more promising future?

Hundreds of years ago some hard working people went there and built a prosperous and efficient nation. So much so that those who were the have nots/outsiders jealousy forced change to take what they felt was owed to them, even though they didn't earn it.

Political power was passed to a socialist/communist power base with a racial axe to grind. Murder, rape, theft, and corruption are now the order of the day.

How's that working?

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George Washington gave us with a template of executive leadership his immediate replacements chose to build upon, leaving one of the few nations on this earth successful in the transition from revolution to independent governance.

Nelson Mandela offered a way forward that I believe would have been successful. It is unfortunate his successors, starting with Mbeki, have given in to the instinct to use the power of government to exact revenge and turn a blind eye to racist executions of Afrikaner farmers.

The revolution putting Mugabe in power resulted in a government so horrible that the majority of Zimbabwe's citizens would have had Apartheid Rhodesia replace it.

It looks like Mandela's successors are going to do the same thing for South Africa.

It is too bad there wasn't a South African John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and a James Madison out there to replace Mandela. That country has all the potential to be a first-rate economic power with real influence on the world stage. It has instead chosen to follow the path of Zimbabwe and third-world ruin.

Come on man, really a South African Thomas Jefferson or John Adams? The comparison is impossible. One man A nation does not make. Jefferson and Adams were blessed with a society and culture of men I thought acted in value the same things as them.

90% of black South Africans only value gaining at other peoples expense.

Meanwhile, the SA President saying attacks on farmers are "not racially motivated"

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South Africa's President Cyril Ramaphosa called for calm on Monday, rejecting claims by pressure groups representing the country's white minority that a spike in deadly attacks on farms was "ethnic cleansing".

His appeal came after a group of mainly white farmers stormed a court on Wednesday during the hearing of two Black suspects accused of killing a 22-year-old farm manager.

The lead instigator of the rioters, Andre Pienaar, 52, was subsequently jailed and charged with terrorism on Friday.

Ramaphosa, in his weekly newsletter to the nation, strongly refuted claims that farm attacks were racially motivated.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/12/s-africa-president-says-farm-attacks-not-racially-motivated

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The Boers have the same response they did to the Brits who tried to fight them over the past 3 centuries:





ENGLISH

In fire and blood do I find myself now
As every boer and child and wife
A superior power now rules our land
Stand armed to the teeth
Its shadow falls like a dark cloud
Over the future of our people
And if we don't fight we will perish
At Magersfontein, at Magersfontein, at Magersfontein
Do we draw the line

Come dutch farmer warriors, be heroes now
The day of reckoning is here
The enemy is running over our fields
Stand your ground against canon fire
The English soldiers (kakies) want to defeat our people
Promise pain and sorrow
But if you shoot, shoot me through
But if you shoot, shoot me through
But if you shoot, shoot me through my Afrikaner heart

If you ask me, I will tell you
How the roots of my heart lie
If you ask me, I will show you
It's my soil here in my fist
Even if hell breaks loose behind us
And even if heaven falls down
Keep the line and stand your man
It is here where we can stop them
Stand firm Zuid Africa
Stand firm Zuid Africa