ATF Looking to Reclassify AR Pistols as Short Barrel Rifles

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Rapier108
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1:11p, 10/11/20
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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) recategorized a popular Q, LLC-manufactured AR-15 pistol with stabilizer brace as a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR), which places the gun under the purview of the National Firearms Act (1934).

As of now, the ATF's action is limited to the Q, LLC (Q) manufactured AR-15 pistol called the "Honey Badger," but an expansion of the policy, which would impact all AR-15 pistols with pistol braces, is anticipated.

Case in point, the ATF's August 3, 2020, letter notes that two other Q pistolsthe Sugar Weasel and the Mini Fixmay also fall under NFA purview.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/07/atf-places-some-ar-15-pistols-with-stabilizer-braces-under-nfa/

Biden has already said he wants to put all semi-auto rifles under the NFA, and magazines over 10 rounds.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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1:15p, 10/11/20
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Or it could be someone trying to get back at Kevin Britingham because of past business dealings or double crossings.

Could be Sig?

Who knows. .
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1:15p, 10/11/20
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Repeal the NFA.

Im not joking, everytime someone proposes new legislation or regulation, the starting point for negotiations should be a full repeal of the NFA 1934.
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1:15p, 10/11/20
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Thanks for that.

I am looking at a Daniel Defense pistol but this does cause some concern and may rethink. I don't want to mess with stamps for an SBR in part because I don't want the government knowing what I do or don't have. Only reason for stamps would probably be a suppressor some day.
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 1:19p, 10/11/20
AG
I think of it the opposite.

With that stamp they govt knows you are a good guy with no criminal history, mental issues (other than being an ag!).

Cause that's what we're gonna do to them.....!!!
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In reply to SMM48 • 1:23p, 10/11/20
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What I own is NONE of the governments business.
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In reply to SMM48 • 1:24p, 10/11/20
FunkyKO said:
I think of it the opposite.

With that stamp they govt knows you are a good guy with no criminal history, mental issues (other than being an ag!).

Cause that's what we're gonna do to them.....!!!
It tells the government where to send the jackboots when they decide it is time for forced confiscation.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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1:24p, 10/11/20
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Such a stupid bunch of laws. "You can own this but have to pay us for it so others are safe".

Dumb.
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1:46p, 10/11/20
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGEKCdLo51v/?igshid=lf0oh8azm4vr

This is the best breakdown I've seen of the situation. I own several SBRs and could never understand the ATF rules and apparently that's the point. There's no logic. It's all bull****. And they went after the Q brace because it's a small company and the ATF are bureaucratic bullies who are picking fights with companies that can't fight back
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John The Savage
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1:50p, 10/11/20
Thank you. I will buying one this weekend
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1:58p, 10/11/20
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This is why gun laws are dumb. What if you separate the upper and lower or attach the upper to a different lower without the same brace? If the upper is in the closet unattached to a lower, it's not really a gun, but as soon as I pop those pins in and attach it to the lower, the SBR rules apply? Give me a break.

Here's one of the libertarian party ideas I can agree with - abolish the ATF.
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2:02p, 10/11/20
Too bad I lost mine at the bottom of Lake Conroe last weekend.
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2:16p, 10/11/20
This **** is such...*****

This is why I'm not ready to "922R" my Benelli.

Too easy for ATF to be like..."well we decided..."

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2:19p, 10/11/20
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Remember

The libs keep telling us they arnt coming for our guns
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2:30p, 10/11/20
AG
seriously need to get rid of the atf.
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 2:33p, 10/11/20
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Kenneth_2003 said:
Repeal the NFA.

Im not joking, everytime someone proposes new legislation or regulation, the starting point for negotiations should be a full repeal of the NFA 1934.


You sir, are a ****ing genius! Bravo!


I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
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2:34p, 10/11/20
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FPC on this like white on rice. Something to keep in mind when donating to groups who actually defend gun rights.

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In reply to fourth deck • 2:36p, 10/11/20
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This is who I donate to and follow on Twitter. Very active and very informative.
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2:38p, 10/11/20
"Shall not be infringed."

Plain. ****ing. English.
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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2:41p, 10/11/20
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ATF is under the executive branch/DoJ. Trump could issue an EO or Barr could stop it through red tape.

Where are the Republicans protecting your gun rights?
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In reply to Rapier108 • 2:45p, 10/11/20
AG
Tax stamp holders with zero criminal record are the least of the govts problems.

think about it.

just as easy as they are to form 1.....they are just as easy to deactivate/reclassify.

reclassify. what firearm???? got lost in a lake.
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In reply to SMM48 • 2:49p, 10/11/20
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Why is it appropriate to tax me for exercising a constitutional right?
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2:59p, 10/11/20
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I haven't built any pistols yet due to worrry over this reclassification. I'm going to be building a few Form 1 suppressors and it's already hard enough handing .gov $200 a pop for permission to build my own mufflers.

Repeal the NFA. It saves zero lives. It's based on lies propagated by Hollywood in the 1920s and 1930s, and should have never been passed. People were scared of something that was statistically extremely rare and knee jerked the legislation. Reminds me a whole bunch of covid.
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 3:07p, 10/11/20
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No it was not!

But you/we paid the tax anyway.
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 3:51p, 10/11/20
AG
Been saying this for decades.

Welcome.
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 3:54p, 10/11/20
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Kenneth_2003 said:
Repeal the NFA.

Im not joking, everytime someone proposes new legislation or regulation, the starting point for negotiations should be a full repeal of the NFA 1934.
The president has the power unilaterally to open up the NFRTR at any time. Trump could issue an order today setting up a period of time that allows for the registration of new machine guns. No president ever will since it's political suicide
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In reply to txyaloo • 4:04p, 10/11/20
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Sounds like a job for a lame duck.
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6:27p, 10/11/20
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Sounds good to me. If it's a 'rifle,' I don't need an LTC to carry it.
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In reply to Ags4DaWin • 6:32p, 10/11/20
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Ags4DaWin said:
Too bad I lost mine at the bottom of Lake Conroe last weekend.
Liar, liar...pants on fire. But then again, it might have been Lake Texhoma...wait, maybe Lake Tahoe. Yeah, it was one of those...or, maybe....
Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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8:11p, 10/14/20
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And just like that, the ATF begins to backpedal.

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In reply to fourth deck • 10:25p, 10/14/20
AG
Gun industry conspiracy? Pistol braces and AR-15 pistols are going to be sold out now through next year.
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10:32p, 10/14/20
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I don't think the gun industry needs to do anything to boost sales these days.
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