Launch the orion stack on a falcon heavy uncrewed. Launch a crew dragon to rendezvous in Leo, then make the TLI burn.
It's still significantly cheaper, and should require a fraction of the development costs.
jkag89 said:
Maybe short term but wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run (and safer since it would not require a crew transfer) to man rate the Falcon Heavy? Question asked out of ignorance what is the process to man rate a booster.
FH isn't man-rated either, and the aerodynamics of the boosters with Orion especially would be be problematic I think. Plus, no idea if horizontal integration would work for Orion (I think Falcon vertical was discussed, can't remember).Ag_of_08 said:
Why would they need to man rate the booster?
Launch the orion stack on a falcon heavy uncrewed. Launch a crew dragon to rendezvous in Leo, then make the TLI burn.
It's still significantly cheaper, and should require a fraction of the development costs.
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Block 2 Structural Enhancements
Propellant Capacity
25% increase in propellant capacity, allowing for greater range and payload capabilities
Ship propellant load increased to 1,500 tons
Dimensions
Ship height increased to 52.1 meters
Performance Upgrades
Payload Capacity
Ability to carry over 100 tons to low-Earth orbit when reused
Prioritization of mass over volume compared to Block 1
Thrust Improvements
Ship initial thrust increased to 1,600 tf
Design Modifications
Aerodynamic Changes
Thinner forward flap design, positioned more leeward for improved aerodynamics
Smaller, repositioned forward flaps for better heat shield construction
Structural Features
Integrated vented interstage
Two "raceways" added to the structure
Propulsion Advancements
Engine Configuration
Utilization of both Raptor 2.5 and Raptor 3 engines
Removal of secondary engine shielding due to Raptor 3 implementation
Manufacturing Improvements
Enhanced manufacturing processes
Improved heat shield tiles
Increased flow rates
Added redundancy in information transfer
Additional Features
Redesigned tank domes
Reduced payload fairing volume to 600 cubic meters, optimizing for mass rather than volume
noaTmAg said:
Are they using Raptor 3s yet?
This mission profile will be the same - early morning launch, night time landing of Starship in the Indian Ocean and trying to catch the booster back at the pad.aTmAg said:
Sorry for all the questions. I'm sure I could find this out using google, but maybe others here would like to see the answers.
Is the mission profile is the same? Or now that they proved they can relight the raptors, are they going to be able to orbit the earth and land the starship somewhere in the Gulf?
STATIC FIRE! Just 20 days after Flight 6 launched, Booster 14 Static Fired on the same launch pad ahead of Flight 7.
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ABATTBQ11 said:
My DXYZ is up about 75%. Can't decide if I should get out or buy more and ride it through the next launch...
Fightin_Aggie said:ABATTBQ11 said:
My DXYZ is up about 75%. Can't decide if I should get out or buy more and ride it through the next launch...
Why is it up so much this week? Been watching for awhile
Major design improvement. Lighter, easier to manufacture and less susceptible to high heating.
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"I"? I didn't realize it was manned. Wow!will25u said:
SOL 1394/738 of the primary mission for Perseverance Rover on Mars!Status update: I've reached the rim of Jezero Crater!
— NASA's Perseverance Mars Rover (@NASAPersevere) December 12, 2024
The ascent took 3.5 months and included 1,640 feet (500 m) of vertical climb. It was steep and slippery — but I'm built to do hard things.
Next up? My 5th science campaign, the Northern Rim. https://t.co/zqKkxMpCDT pic.twitter.com/FpkEHmwpgc