Good luck with the Russians or the flying dick.

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If the government did this I wouldn't be surprised if Elon denied them use of Falcon 9.

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As reliant as we are on them, it's a helluva barging chip

Nanomachines son said:

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SOURCE: Biden is considering the unprecedented move of grounding the Starship space program. The FAA & EPA will reportedly ground the program for investigations and studies that could take years. Democrats see @elonmusk as a threat to their survival.https://t.co/0xHXHKjyli pic.twitter.com/TKEkNOAF5s

— @amuse (@amuse) April 25, 2023

Absolutely incredible. Musk is clowning these people and they can't handle it.

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NASA created brick missiles back in 2008... But you probably won't find many people that remember (or even knew) that.

Nice find.

Teslag said:

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What's his angle? Just an Elon hater?

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He wants China to win

That's a great twitter follow but this is kind of absurd, even for Democrats. "Oh no, now we have chunks of rock in the ocean/on the beach."

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hurling chunks of rubble into the ocean

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Rocks, nitrogen, methane, stainless steel (maybe some re-bar), and oxygen. That's pretty much it. A cruise ship's weekly emissions into the sea are more harmful/damaging.

For the residents; you live by the ocean, right next to Mexico. I don't have this enormous pity about the poor folks who live within 10 miles of the shore disclaiming their property ever gets any wind/shaking/dust. C'mon, man.

Somehow Elon has to get a self sustaining Mars colony going ASAP. Earth is going down the tube's fast.

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Certainly he would just take it to some other country right? If true, biden is a bigger idiot than I thought. All because some fuggin windows rattled and some sand got on some buildings.

Eta - big if. Didn't even look at any source material.

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It sounds like complete B.S. to me…

My guess is that it's someone not in-the-know overhearing standard industry parlance like "stand down" that ordinary follows during an anomaly investigation and then layering their own anti-Elon wish-casting.

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That's a great twitter follow but this is kind of absurd, even for Democrats. "Oh no, now we have chunks of rock in the ocean/on the beach."

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hurling chunks of rubble into the ocean

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Rocks, nitrogen, methane, stainless steel (maybe some re-bar), and oxygen. That's pretty much it. A cruise ship's weekly emissions into the sea are more harmful/damaging.

For the residents; you live by the ocean, right next to Mexico. I don't have this enormous pity about the poor folks who live within 10 miles of the shore disclaiming their property ever gets any wind/shaking/dust. C'mon, man.

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Oh noes, here is NASA launching bricks into the water by 39A during the above mentioned flame trench failure (note the splashes).

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Certainly he would just take it to some other country right?

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That would delay his spaceflight operations for years, if it is even possible. Much of what they need falls under the export controls associated with national security. I mean I think he could go to Canada, but other than that if he left I think he's cut off from almost all of his suppliers, equipment, etc.

I wouldn't bet against him doing that, but it would be a "burn the ships so everyone knows there is no retreat" kind of move.

Water deluge should help a lot with the sound and pad destruction.

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Nanomachines son said:

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SOURCE: Biden is considering the unprecedented move of grounding the Starship space program. The FAA & EPA will reportedly ground the program for investigations and studies that could take years. Democrats see @elonmusk as a threat to their survival.https://t.co/0xHXHKjyli pic.twitter.com/TKEkNOAF5s

— @amuse (@amuse) April 25, 2023

Absolutely incredible. Musk is clowning these people and they can't handle it.

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NASA created brick missiles back in 2008... But you probably won't find many people that remember (or even knew) that.

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Part of the difference is that SpaceX didn't even try.
They knew the pad would be destroyed.

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Certainly he would just take it to some other country right?

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That would delay his spaceflight operations for years, if it is even possible. Much of what they need falls under the export controls associated with national security. I mean I think he could go to Canada, but other than that if he left I think he's cut off from almost all of his suppliers, equipment, etc.

I wouldn't bet against him doing that, but it would be a "burn the ships so everyone knows there is no retreat" kind of move.

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Canada probably won't work. Needs to launch close to the equator to take advantage of the speed imparted by the Earth's spin.

Could just say **** it and create new suppliers elsewhere.

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Caliber said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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SOURCE: Biden is considering the unprecedented move of grounding the Starship space program. The FAA & EPA will reportedly ground the program for investigations and studies that could take years. Democrats see @elonmusk as a threat to their survival.https://t.co/0xHXHKjyli pic.twitter.com/TKEkNOAF5s

— @amuse (@amuse) April 25, 2023

Absolutely incredible. Musk is clowning these people and they can't handle it.

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NASA created brick missiles back in 2008... But you probably won't find many people that remember (or even knew) that.

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Part of the difference is that SpaceX didn't even try.
They knew the pad would be destroyed.

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Link?

Would be hilarious if SpaceX started charging the AF, SF, and NASA way more for falcon launches. Like, "If any part of the payload is for the government, it comes with a $40 million surcharge."

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Teslag said:

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What's his angle? Just an Elon hater?

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He wants China to win

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And Joe definitely wants China to win

Sea Speed said:

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Certainly he would just take it to some other country right? If true, biden is a bigger idiot than I thought. All because some fuggin windows rattled and some sand got on some buildings.

Eta - big if. Didn't even look at any source material.

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He certainly could try but my question is how much of the technology they currently deploy could be exported? HS friend is pretty high up in DHS and he was talking about SpaceX and how they have agents permanently attached to monitor the risk of "industrial espionage."

That would seem to be much more in the FBI's wheelhouse vs DHS

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Nanomachines son said:

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SOURCE: Biden is considering the unprecedented move of grounding the Starship space program. The FAA & EPA will reportedly ground the program for investigations and studies that could take years. Democrats see @elonmusk as a threat to their survival.https://t.co/0xHXHKjyli pic.twitter.com/TKEkNOAF5s

— @amuse (@amuse) April 25, 2023

Absolutely incredible. Musk is clowning these people and they can't handle it.

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NASA created brick missiles back in 2008... But you probably won't find many people that remember (or even knew) that.

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Part of the difference is that SpaceX didn't even try.
They knew the pad would be destroyed.

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Link?

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Common sense and insights from static fire. They just wanted to move fast.

Nanomachines son said:

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SOURCE: Biden is considering the unprecedented move of grounding the Starship space program. The FAA & EPA will reportedly ground the program for investigations and studies that could take years. Democrats see @elonmusk as a threat to their survival.https://t.co/0xHXHKjyli pic.twitter.com/TKEkNOAF5s

— @amuse (@amuse) April 25, 2023

Absolutely incredible. Musk is clowning these people and they can't handle it.

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The link in the tweet makes no mention of Biden.

Just needs to take off on one of those landing platforms. Outside the jurisdictional boundaries of the US.

Like a casino cruise, but with rockets.

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Certainly he would just take it to some other country right?

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That would delay his spaceflight operations for years, if it is even possible. Much of what they need falls under the export controls associated with national security. I mean I think he could go to Canada, but other than that if he left I think he's cut off from almost all of his suppliers, equipment, etc.

I wouldn't bet against him doing that, but it would be a "burn the ships so everyone knows there is no retreat" kind of move.

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Canada probably won't work. Needs to launch close to the equator to take advantage of the speed imparted by the Earth's spin.

Could just say **** it and create new suppliers elsewhere.

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Canada is far more liberal and restrictive.They would limit Elon to EV rockets.

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Would be hilarious if SpaceX started charging the AF, SF, and NASA way more for falcon launches. Like, "If any part of the payload is for the government, it comes with a $40 million surcharge."

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Except we're the ones paying for that $40 mil….

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Nanomachines son said:

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SOURCE: Biden is considering the unprecedented move of grounding the Starship space program. The FAA & EPA will reportedly ground the program for investigations and studies that could take years. Democrats see @elonmusk as a threat to their survival.https://t.co/0xHXHKjyli pic.twitter.com/TKEkNOAF5s

— @amuse (@amuse) April 25, 2023

Absolutely incredible. Musk is clowning these people and they can't handle it.

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NASA created brick missiles back in 2008... But you probably won't find many people that remember (or even knew) that.

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Part of the difference is that SpaceX didn't even try.
They knew the pad would be destroyed.

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Link?

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Common sense and insights from static fire. They just wanted to move fast.

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When they tore through their concrete before, they were not using fondag. For the 33 engine static fire they used fondag, and it did fine. It was at half thrust, but still it showed that it would do much better than the other concretes they had used before.

ish. It may come down to just cutting programs or scaling them back to limit the cost increase. They could hold any government launches hostage until the Democrats un**** themselves.

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Sea Speed said:

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Certainly he would just take it to some other country right? If true, biden is a bigger idiot than I thought. All because some fuggin windows rattled and some sand got on some buildings.

Eta - big if. Didn't even look at any source material.

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It sounds like complete B.S. to me…

My guess is that it's someone not in-the-know overhearing standard industry parlance like "stand down" that ordinary follows during an anomaly investigation and then layering their own anti-Elon wish-casting.

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Agreed. Click bait.

Looks like not enough propellant for the landing.

Hakuto-R likely ran out of propellent close to landing and hit harder than intended, I guess propellent consumption must have been higher than expected. pic.twitter.com/ZKUx4pWwgf

— Scott Manley (@DJSnM) April 25, 2023

Neil Armstrong could've landed it.

My understanding with him taking his ball and going elsewhere is ITAR correct? I know SM was warning people eyeing the wreckage for a dive, and that particular subject is being knocked around heavily in the tech diving world( the wreckage is in ~250ft of water apparently) by the people actually capable of reaching it.

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Sea Speed said:

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Certainly he would just take it to some other country right? If true, biden is a bigger idiot than I thought. All because some fuggin windows rattled and some sand got on some buildings.

Eta - big if. Didn't even look at any source material.

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It sounds like complete B.S. to me…

My guess is that it's someone not in-the-know overhearing standard industry parlance like "stand down" that ordinary follows during an anomaly investigation and then layering their own anti-Elon wish-casting.

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Much of the Starship technology is ITAR and can't be exported easily. It's a nightmare trying to share data with ESA and they're building the Gateway module that Starship will dock to during the Artemis IV mission.

Ag_of_08 said:

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My understanding with him taking his ball and going elsewhere is ITAR correct? I know SM was warning people eyeing the wreckage for a dive, and that particular subject is being knocked around heavily in the tech diving world( the wreckage is in ~250ft of water apparently) by the people actually capable of reaching it.

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Where they had planned on sinking the booster was only 140 ft

There was a period of my career where I sold industrial gas turbines and several models were derived from 50s, 60s, and 70s aircraft engines. The ITAR control on those were still thorough.