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TRADUCTOR said:

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Humanity's only hope is if Elon can somehow get enough Starships off this planet to create a self-sustaining city on Mars and start over.


Trapped in a metal box on an inhospitable rock, devoid of life, voids any humanity and will crush that hope. You will need to hoard the canned food and smuggle enough bullets with a gun to be the last to survive to die alone.

Advantage Earth.


Is it, though?

Counterpoint: there are no communists on mars, to date.
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You could just get a solar powered yacht, a fishing pole and some hookers and just sail aimlessly on the high seas with fast internet now.

SpaceX's New Satellites Could Finally Bring Fast, Reliable Internet to Your Superyacht
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Approaching the moon again.


We'll lose signal as it goes behind the moon at 10:40am with a burn at 10:43am

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fka ftc said:

You could just get a solar powered yacht, a fishing pole and some hookers and just sail aimlessly on the high seas with fast internet now.

SpaceX's New Satellites Could Finally Bring Fast, Reliable Internet to Your Superyacht


(Not an endorsement of a plan, but it reminded me of this great song).
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Love some Charlie Robison. Randomly had a chance to stay up drinking all night with him a few years ago. Though he was up and at 'em rather quickly I still think I may be hungover. Good dude, great singer.
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Awesome. I don't wanna derail this, but that would be a great story. I'd allow him to fly to Mars. Some small set of musicians would have to be tolerated as long as they vowed not to espouse communist ideals.
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Not much to the story. He was exactly the kind of guy you want to sit on a porch with drinking whiskey with.

Back to Elon, I hope he continues on the current path of wanting to improve the world... for everyone. In the call on Saturday he said he subscribes to a religion of curiosity, I cannot find fault with that.

People lose sight of the fact he came from an apartheid riddled South Africa. He is also a student of history and he is exceptionally intelligent, but exceptionally practical as well. So he knows socialism and communism are non starters and that free speech is a basic right, not just a US only idea.
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SIAP since this was first announced last October.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/europe-plans-first-ariane-6-rocket-launch-q4-2023-2022-10-19/

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Europe plans to launch the first Ariane 6 rocket, its next-generation space launcher, in the fourth quarter of 2023, the European Space Agency (ESA) said on Wednesday.

The 22-nation agency had previously said it was delaying the first launch from 2022 to 2023 without giving details.

Ariane 6 is being developed by ArianeGroup, a joint venture of Airbus (AIR.PA) and Safran (SAF.PA), on behalf of ESA in an effort to reduce launch costs in the face of new private competition from SpaceX and to secure Europe's access to space.

Developed at a cost of just under 4 billion euros ($3.9 billion) and originally set for an inaugural launch in July 2020, the project has been hit by a series of delays.
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The company is looking for alternative launch slots for five missions that had been scheduled to lift off on Russian Soyuz rockets, including the Euclid space telescope and the first in a series of extreme weather warning satellites.
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Reuters reported in August that ESA had begun preliminary technical discussions with Elon Musk's SpaceX that could lead to the temporary use of its launchers after the Ukraine conflict blocked Western access to Russia's Soyuz rockets.

Industry sources have said up to two launches could be transferred to SpaceX.

The European agency plans to end operations of the three remaining Ariane 5 rockets in the first half of next year.
Europe only has 3 Ariane 5 rockets left, and the Ariane 6 was set to make its maiden flight this year (after many delays). It slipped to 4th quarter 2022, and now 4th quarter 2023. I'd be leery of them even meeting the 4th quarter 2023 deadline given the year further delay with no explanation.

Ariane 6 itself won't be reusable initially, just much cheaper to try to compete with SpaceX.

Ariane has institutional customers and the block's desire to be independent in space, so Ariane will be fine, but that's quite a blow combined with the Russian fallout.
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Very cool camera shot!
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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I'm curious if Musk will discuss launches from Guiana, or if the US govt would even allow it under ITAR. Losing the soyuz launchers really put them in an awkward situation.
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fka ftc said:

Love some Charlie Robison. Randomly had a chance to stay up drinking all night with him a few years ago. Though he was up and at 'em rather quickly I still think I may be hungover. Good dude, great singer.


He was great, part of my childhood, college years growing up. Too bad he had to retire so early.
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We've launched classified stuff there already, though haven't we? Wasn't some of Webb's imaging stuff considered similarly classified?

Musk has stated ITAR is limiting US industry, and he 'wants to do something about it' but this is one of those areas where it will be tough to envision passage of any amendments enabling launch sites from places like Indonesia/Australia/Taiwan/elsewhere for starship thanks to...his creation/enablement of the Democrats in congress as diametrically opposed to anything he does.
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Kind of related to ITAR, SpaceX has set up Starshield now as a subsidiary for classified stuff, or I guess a network of satellites for DoD/NSA things.

That article is a little light on details/confused/disjointed I think.



Real-time imaging is a holy grail for surveillance, of course, but I don't think that is particularly realistic in any initial phases.



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The company has not yet released photos of how the Starshield terminals and satellites will look like. The Starshield satellite could be based on the Starlink satellite bus but with enhanced capabilities referred to by the company as 'Hosted Payloads.' "Starshield builds satellite buses to support the most demanding customer payload missions," says the company. The satellites will be "designed to meet diverse mission requirements, Starshield satellites are capable of integrating a wide variety of payloads, offering unique versatility to users."

Starshield will be compatible with the Starlink constellation to interoperate. "Starlink's inter-satellite laser communications terminal, which is the only communications laser operating at scale in orbit today, can be integrated onto partner satellites to enable incorporation into the Starshield network," states SpaceX.

"Starshield's proliferated low-Earth orbit architecture provides inherent resiliency and constant connectivity to on-orbit assets, while SpaceX's proven rapid launch capability provides expedient and economical access to space."

To date, SpaceX operates approximately 3,200 Starlink satellites in Low Earth Orbit. The Starlink constellation has demonstrated it is capable of reliably providing high-speed internet service globally to over half-a-million customers. The Starlink cyber security team has been able to protect the broadband network against Russian cyber attacks amid the war with Ukraine. Starlink is in-use by the Ukrainian government's military, emergency response teams, and civilians. The network has been a useful communication tool to coordinate civilian safety operations. "SpaceX's ongoing work with the Department of Defense and other partners demonstrates our ability to provide in-space and on-ground capability at scale," says the aerospace company.
So, sort of a piggy back onto the laser inter-connects already in place today, with a dedicated sub-fleet of NSA sats, or possibly from terminals on other satellites they have/will put up (think, updated keyhole stuff). Just a few red flags about privacy but something tells me this will wind up leading to the FCC/State Dept letting SpaceX go ahead with a more complete total license in the future for more shells.
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Here's some great audio and video of the B7 static fire

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TexAgs91
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You can see shockwaves reflecting back into the engines. How much abuse can the rocket take from that?

Why not just use a flame diverter?
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TexAgs91 said:

You can see shockwaves reflecting back into the engines. How much abuse can the rocket take from that?

Why not just use a flame diverter?


They don't know, that's why they are so slow with their static fire testing.
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TexAgs91 said:

You can see shockwaves reflecting back into the engines. How much abuse can the rocket take from that?

Why not just use a flame diverter?


Water table is too high to dig one
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nortex97 said:

TRADUCTOR said:

TexAgs91 said:

Humanity's only hope is if Elon can somehow get enough Starships off this planet to create a self-sustaining city on Mars and start over.


Trapped in a metal box on an inhospitable rock, devoid of life, voids any humanity and will crush that hope. You will need to hoard the canned food and smuggle enough bullets with a gun to be the last to survive to die alone.

Advantage Earth.


Is it, though?

Counterpoint: there are no communists on mars, to date.
I guarantee the first Martian colonies will be highly equalitarian.
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TexAgs91 said:

You can see shockwaves reflecting back into the engines. How much abuse can the rocket take from that?

Why not just use a flame diverter?
The flame diverter mystery is pretty remarkable.



There are a lot of ways they could do it. My pure guess is they think they can get the rocket off so quickly (very high thrust:weight) it won't matter for this phase. Long term, it's gotta be higher/have a flame diverter, especially to launch these things as frequently as indicated.
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Part of the motivation is to make the launch mount simpler and easier to build. They didn't want to dig a flame trench system to avoid the construction time. I really think they have a diverter design, and are doing everything they can not to use it
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Is the dot next to the moon Orion on its way back to earth?
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Mars?
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Is the dot next to the moon Orion on its way back to earth?


I had a long drive back home tonight and noticed that dot as well. It wasn't a star because it stayed with the moon as it moved. I assumed it was a planet. Didn't figure Orion would be bright enough to see. But thought it would be crazy cool if it was the spacecraft.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Is the dot next to the moon Orion on its way back to earth?

It's Mars
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It is Mars.
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Lol. Triple post by different posters.
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Lol. Triple post by different posters
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Lol. Triple post by different posters
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TxAg82 said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

Is the dot next to the moon Orion on its way back to earth?


I had a long drive back home tonight and noticed that dot as well. It wasn't a star because it stayed with the moon as it moved. I assumed it was a planet. Didn't figure Orion would be bright enough to see. But thought it would be crazy cool if it was the spacecraft.
It's cloudy here, but Mars is probably correct. No you wouldn't see the spacecraft, even if it was thrusting. And the moon moves about a half degree per hour relative to the stars. Probably not too noticeable.
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Anybody know Relativity's launch window? For all of their hype and marketing they haven't published a date on their website which still says 2022. They raised their rocket on the launch pad today.

ABL Space Systems launch window for their 1st rocket opened today, but is on hold due to a weather system. They've had 3 scrubbed attempts so must be pretty anxious to get those engines firing.

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Cool pic of the Red Dot

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bmks270 said:

Anybody know Relativity's launch window? For all of their hype and marketing they haven't published a date on their website which still says 2022. They raised their rocket on the launch pad today.

ABL Space Systems launch window for their 1st rocket opened today, but is on hold due to a weather system. They've had 3 scrubbed attempts so must be pretty anxious to get those engines firing.



Supposed to go either overnight tonight or early tomorrow iirc, but wouldn't hold your breath. It's been on the docket for at least a few months now and keeps getting pushed.
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Jock 07 said:

bmks270 said:

Anybody know Relativity's launch window? For all of their hype and marketing they haven't published a date on their website which still says 2022. They raised their rocket on the launch pad today.

ABL Space Systems launch window for their 1st rocket opened today, but is on hold due to a weather system. They've had 3 scrubbed attempts so must be pretty anxious to get those engines firing.



Supposed to go either overnight tonight or early tomorrow iirc, but wouldn't hold your breath. It's been on the docket for at least a few months now and keeps getting pushed.

I don't get it, they are a hype machine but a window time isn't posted on their website even though it's in the next day or two? I thought they wanted people to watch?
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