nortex97 said:

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Ok, what data? There's no real national security reason for secrecy, right?

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What proves they are being secretive? It's entirely possible the data is just uninteresting so far and hasn't been newsworthy. Go file a FOIA if you want.

TriAg2010 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ok, what data? There's no real national security reason for secrecy, right?

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What proves they are being secretive? It's entirely possible the data is just uninteresting so far and hasn't been newsworthy. Go file a FOIA if you want.

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So you have no idea. You just suspect they have data (since there is no way they are gathering fresh inspections) of some sort, that is fresh, and that it is valid apolitical as to how it is being collected.

Ok, got it sparky.

nortex97 said:

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TriAg2010 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ok, what data? There's no real national security reason for secrecy, right?

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What proves they are being secretive? It's entirely possible the data is just uninteresting so far and hasn't been newsworthy. Go file a FOIA if you want.

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So you have no idea. You just suspect they have data (since there is no way they are gathering fresh inspections) of some sort, that is fresh, and that it is valid apolitical as to how it is being collected.

Ok, got it sparky.

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I am taking the SLS Program Manager at his word in January 2021 that they put in place a data collection exercise to validate a life extension for the stacked boosters. If it's some kind of "gotcha" that I cannot - on a whim - produce internal NASA working documents, then fine, consider me "got."

TriAg2010 said:

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nortex97 said:

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TriAg2010 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ok, what data? There's no real national security reason for secrecy, right?

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What proves they are being secretive? It's entirely possible the data is just uninteresting so far and hasn't been newsworthy. Go file a FOIA if you want.

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So you have no idea. You just suspect they have data (since there is no way they are gathering fresh inspections) of some sort, that is fresh, and that it is valid apolitical as to how it is being collected.

Ok, got it sparky.

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I am taking the SLS Program Manager at his word in January 2021 that they put in place a data collection exercise to validate a life extension for the stacked boosters. If it's some kind of "gotcha" that I cannot - on a whim - produce internal NASA working documents, then fine, consider me "got."

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Ah, so you are relying on the SLS Program Manager's word 13 months ago. Ok, sure.



I'll just continue to give zero credibility to the program's management, and you can continue to do the opposite. It's not like there's any reason to doubt said management's credibility, integrity, accuracy, or at this point honesty.

I still wonder if they're going to actually fly that one, since the design is so old and the engines are basically scrap at this point. I'd think the only thing to learn is the separation mechanism and how the fins fly when they're fully extended like that.

bthotugigem05 said:

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I still wonder if they're going to actually fly that one, since the design is so old and the engines are basically scrap at this point. I'd think the only thing to learn is the separation mechanism and how the fins fly when they're fully extended like that.

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I'm sure there's a lot of structural, aerodynamic, etc things that would still be useful. Also since the first test is destined for splashdown anyway, no point in using something that would otherwise have a better shot sticking a real landing.

But there is the question of whether they'd get more use from recycling what they can versus blowing it up or fiahing it out of the sea. Guess we'll find out when they pick one to launch.

The materials science part of it will be extremely valuable as well. They'll get a demonstration of how well the heat shield and stainless steel hold up to re-entry.

Not to mention it will demonstrate how well the 27 raptors work together - harmonics and vibration throughout the whole structure.

There have been FOIA requests filed. They got stonewalled by NASA for national security reasons on a lot of the technical details of it, and the contractors scream proprietary tech from what the ones who have tried to do it, or so they've claimed.

Sigh, yes, he hates blue origin but this does seem silly.

He's off his hinge lately. He makes so many factual errors I just can't watch him anymore.

Yeah he is out there. I skimmed it at 4x speed. I'm actually glad Sierra is getting a piece of that contract.

I mean, there's plenty of stuff in the space industry to be angry about, and I love bashing Blue Origin as much as anyone, but yeah...homey needs to find something else to ***** about.

SpaceX ain't gonna win every contract that's out there, nor should they. The industry needs competition if we're going to continue to see advances. And as for this one, anyone who's paid attention for more than 30 minutes knows Elon don't give 2 ****s about space stations in LEO. This was probably put together by a handful of interns that had nothing better to do.

Ag_of_08 said:

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He's off his hinge lately. He makes so many factual errors I just can't watch him anymore.

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I've watched a couple of his videos starting maybe 4-5 months ago. I don't know exactly what your "lately" timeline is but I quickly found him unwatchable. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Geomagnetic storm takes down up to 40 SpaceX Starlink satellites https://t.co/tYkKv0bun0 by @achanthadavong

— ZDNet (@ZDNet) February 9, 2022

That's a drag. [/read story]

He's gotten progressively worse since sls got stacked. The factual errors keep compounding, and it just keeps getting worse.


There's another one that....I hate the word simp, but thebman straight simps for SLS. I swear I think he must be related to Shelby....

Well, dang.

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Unfortunately, the satellites deployed on Thursday were significantly impacted by a geomagnetic storm on Friday. These storms cause the atmosphere to warm and atmospheric density at our low deployment altitudes to increase. In fact, onboard GPS suggests the escalation speed and severity of the storm caused atmospheric drag to increase up to 50 percent higher than during previous launches. The Starlink team commanded the satellites into a safe-mode where they would fly edge-on (like a sheet of paper) to minimize dragto effectively "take cover from the storm"and continued to work closely with the Space Force's 18th Space Control Squadron and LeoLabs to provide updates on the satellites based on ground radars.

Preliminary analysis show the increased drag at the low altitudes prevented the satellites from leaving safe-mode to begin orbit raising maneuvers, and up to 40 of the satellites will reenter or already have reentered the Earth's atmosphere. The deorbiting satellites pose zero collision risk with other satellites and by design demise upon atmospheric reentrymeaning no orbital debris is created and no satellite parts hit the ground. This unique situation demonstrates the great lengths the Starlink team has gone to ensure the system is on the leading edge of on-orbit debris mitigation.

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He's off his hinge lately. He makes so many factual errors I just can't watch him anymore.

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I don't know who this guy is nor have seen any of his videos. What is he erroneous on? If they are egregious enough, then perhaps I can save myself 27 minutes.

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I mean, there's plenty of stuff in the space industry to be angry about, and I love bashing Blue Origin as much as anyone, but yeah...homey needs to find something else to ***** about.

SpaceX ain't gonna win every contract that's out there, nor should they. The industry needs competition if we're going to continue to see advances. And as for this one, anyone who's paid attention for more than 30 minutes knows Elon don't give 2 ****s about space stations in LEO. This was probably put together by a handful of interns that had nothing better to do.

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We should not be giving contractors money for crappy proposals just to create the appearance of competition. That rewards laziness and waste. Let the best vendor win even if it's always the same company. If they raise their prices, it will encourage others, who really can do the work, to join the market.

Looks like we might get to see the Chopsticks lift SN20. It's currently aligned and in position for a lift!

Maximus_Meridius said:

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Looks like we might get to see the Chopsticks lift SN20. It's currently aligned and in position for a lift!

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How do the chopsticks do rotations to make correct alignment when lifting? There has to be some kind of rotation on one of the pieces to stack perfectly...

I'm honestly not sure. Last rumor I heard was that there is a "conveyor belt" like system along the length of the arms that could turn/twist the ship, but I've yet to see actual pictures of that system. Guess we'll learn something today, hopefully.

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I'm honestly not sure. Last rumor I heard was that there is a "conveyor belt" like system along the length of the arms that could turn/twist the ship, but I've yet to see actual pictures of that system. Guess we'll learn something today, hopefully.

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I guess that makes sense. Hadn't really given it any though before and was just thinking rotational but of course they have to be able to move laterally too. With a moving track of any kind, all you have to to do is just move the sides independently.
Would love to see the fin carrier to see how they are actually holding it. Has to carry a crap ton of weight while having a large freedom of movement.

On Reddit there are some rumors that they are not going to be able to test launch in 2022. That there are some difficult technical problems they are trying to tackle (with the engines). Hopefully tomorrow, Musk will put those rumors to rest.

Yes the 'stacking pins' as Marcus refers to them are able to be gripped by 'mechazilla' and used to rotate the rocket a bit, but they are comparatively tiny so not too much. Some good animation here;



Of course a lot of this is speculative based on imagery and some smart guys who are good at VR modeling, but it is probably not too far off;

"Tower Motions Dramatized"

Not as much as that music

Astra to try again on Thursday. Hope they're successful. I could use a rebound in their stock price.

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1491207771353587713?s=20&t=ryx14Khh8R_eHbttq3L4aQ

Clearing the pad... lift may be soon.

Brad06ag said:

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Clearing the pad... lift may be soon.

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Where are you watching this?

aTmAg said:

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Brad06ag said:

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Clearing the pad... lift may be soon.

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Where are you watching this?

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There are lots of constant live streams down there.

I have these up right now:







Lab padre has a bunch of angle to check out

aTmAg said:

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Brad06ag said:

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Clearing the pad... lift may be soon.

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Where are you watching this?

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Any idea on when the Elon show starts and the stacking starts?

OnlyForNow said:

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Any idea on when the Elon show starts and the stacking starts?

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The Elon Show is tomorrow, 8pm CST.

Does the Elon show mean that he's heard good news from the FAA about the environmental review? Or is he just trying to pressure them to get it over with?