TexAgs91 said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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These are the people who wrote a remote ID drone law, and will prosecute people for it, but never put an actual public system in place that does any of what's required, and can't explain how you can get in full compliance.

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I'm not familiar with what you are talking about. Can you expound?

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How I understand it, drones will be required to transmit location via remote ID (like a plane) but no real framework to do it or likelihood to retrofit existing hardware to become compliant with the law.

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You're talking about ADS-B

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No. ADS-B is different. And right now you CAN'T put ADS-B on small UAS. But, as of later this month, all UAS need to have RID.

Ag_of_08 said:

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Ads-b isn't the same thing as remote Id for drones, and that module weighs more then my 1400mm ocotocopter I built for conematic/heavy lift ..... how do I put it on my 250mm racer again?

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ping RID - 21 gr

It's $300 and meets all the requirements.

That's a good portion of what my drone weighs, is huge for the airframe, and may or may not fulfill requirements.

I have 12 airframes...that will work on 3 of them, it won't fit the rest. It also doesn't fulfill the actual ads-b part of things, and Noone can get a response from the FAA on it.

The law is in place for your large craft to be mostly in compliance.. . It will utterly destroy the smaller airframe ability to fly commercially AND privately.

Ag_of_08 said:

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That's a good portion of what my drone weighs, is huge for the airframe, and may or may not fulfill requirements.

I have 12 airframes...that will work on 3 of them, it won't fit the rest. It also doesn't fulfill the actual ads-b part of things, and Noone can get a response from the FAA on it.

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It WOULD fulfill the requirements of RID.

Yeah...But, I know where you're coming from...for small drones the RID requirement is bad because it's hard to put that extra electronics AND power source on it.

BTW, RID has NOTHING to do with ADS-B. They are two completely separate things AND technologies.

FWIW, you're not allowed to put ADS-B on a small UAS.

ETA: "That's a good portion of what my drone weighs"...21 gr is 0.74 oz. Just how ****ing small IS your drone?

Another ETA: FAA Extends Remote ID Enforcement Date Six Months sUAS News The Business of Drones

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The law is in place for your large craft to be mostly in compliance.. . It will utterly destroy the smaller airframe ability to fly commercially AND privately.

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Define smaller airframe?

We've put RID on all of ours that didn't have it and several of them are not that big (think Mavic-size but not DJI because those are a no no).

SpaceX employees leaving after a photo op at the Launch Site.
We're getting closer!!!!

🎦 @LabPadre
✂️ @DeffGeff
😎 @CSI_Starbase pic.twitter.com/3Vkfznuq6P

— (((Geoff))) (@DeffGeff) September 12, 2023

I've been looking but haven't seen confirmation they have the new bidet manifold (I think they added a water tank) all welded into place. Curious if they will need to do a 'wash test' prior to the next launch attempt.

Is there a place to see their launch schedule from Boca Chica?

I know it's probably still on hold right now, but I figured there was still a website I could check.

They don't really have a 'schedule' from BC as they don't have a license to launch. Best guess right now is NET about a week.

Overall, nextspaceflight does a pretty good job letting you down select to the provider you want to see a schedule for.

https://nextspaceflight.com/

These afternoon livestreams have been good stuff.

Chock full of information. 2p central

PJYoung said:

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These afternoon livestreams have been good stuff.

Chock full of information. 2p central

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Not a lot of stack work happening. Work around the stack has stopped. More tank farm work right now. Very subdued compared to the 1st launch.

Group photo might be a subtle message from SpaceX that they're ready to go (as far as hardware goes) after Elon's direct message on X.

Indications are that the upgrades to the tank farm are for the next launch, not this one because testing this tank farm would mean removing the whole stack and all equipment that would be needed for that has been removed.

Recently plugged in the 3rd of the 3 big tanks in the deluge tank farm (there are 7 total tanks). They will probably test that before launch but the stream is not certain but they certainly can test it with a full stack.

Little things, little tweaks and upgrades left. Not a lot of activity going on at the OLM.

Huge upgrades on Booster 9 comparing say to Booster 7. The vents in the aft session, the engine shielding, etc.

No published wind limits for launch. SpaceX is probably going to be on the conservative side considering everything is so new with this vehicle.

Not positive launch is going to happen this week or even next week. Local Notice to Mariners not out yet. Those are released on Wednesdays and there was nothing regarding Starship today so probably nothing thru Tuesday right now.

Guessing SpaceX would prefer the modified license to be issued on a Friday like last time so SpaceX could attempt launch on the following Monday. His guess is NET Monday September 25th.

Thinks timeline is: this launch late September. There will be at least 1 thing that triggers a mishap investigation that takes 6 weeks to 2 months. Next launch after is SN28 after SN26 leaves the pad and rolls down Highway 4 and 28 is static fired early November. Thinks it will be cleared to launch in December.

They think FTS arming will still require de-stacking.

Success for this launch: get the ship over the water without blowing up the pad.
Bonus: reach MaxQ, successfully hotstage, get the ship's engines fired up.
Super Bonus: Get ship to Hawaii
Ultra Super Bonus Have it successfully reenter

Other commentator
Since they are on a Moon timeline... Need significant progress from NASA's perspective
Success for this launch: Need to demonstrate hardware is reusable. The pad needs to stay usable. Need to get to staging.

3rd commentator

Minimum hope: don't nuke the pad again - would be progress
Realistic hope: Full booster flight to hot staging
Unrealistic hope: Ship 25 fire engines and splash down in Hawaii

FAA will call success if SpaceX meets all 9 TFR points, if not it will trigger another mishap report. The hope is that instead of 63 points this will be like a third - maybe 20 points for the next one and instead of 4 months it takes 1 month.

OK that's halfway thru the stream

Our launch date is mid-November on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.

But Intuitive Machines and Columbia Outdoor are teaming up for another high-performance vehicle here on earth this Saturday!

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— columbia1938 (@Columbia1938) September 12, 2023

Next month. Fish and wildlife (lefties, no doubt) still the hold up.

[url=https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/faa-could-advance-spacex-starship-license-soon-october-2023-09-13/]https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/faa-could-advance-spacex-starship-license-soon-october-2023-09-13/https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/faa-could-advance-spacex-starship-license-soon-october-2023-09-13/[/url]

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We're working well with them and have been in good discussions. Teams are working together and I think we're optimistic sometime next month," acting FAA Administrator Polly Trottenberg told reporters on the sidelines of a conference.

SpaceX would still need a separate environmental approval from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service before a launch. Trottenberg did not say how long that might take.

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PJYoung said:

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Success for this launch: get the ship over the water without blowing up the pad.
Bonus: reach MaxQ, successfully hotstage, get the ship's engines fired up.
Super Bonus: Get ship to Hawaii
Ultra Super Bonus Have it successfully reenter

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I think this is setting the bar for success too low. I think the threshold for success in a fast-moving, iterative process should be "better than last time." In that respect, I think success is a successful stage separation, and if they aren't confident they can do that, they should go back to the drawing board.

PJYoung said:

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PJYoung said:

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These afternoon livestreams have been good stuff.

Chock full of information. 2p central

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Not a lot of stack work happening. Work around the stack has stopped. More tank farm work right now. Very subdued compared to the 1st launch.

Group photo might be a subtle message from SpaceX that they're ready to go (as far as hardware goes) after Elon's direct message on X.

Indications are that the upgrades to the tank farm are for the next launch, not this one because testing this tank farm would mean removing the whole stack and all equipment that would be needed for that has been removed.

Recently plugged in the 3rd of the 3 big tanks in the deluge tank farm (there are 7 total tanks). They will probably test that before launch but the stream is not certain but they certainly can test it with a full stack.

Little things, little tweaks and upgrades left. Not a lot of activity going on at the OLM.

Huge upgrades on Booster 9 comparing say to Booster 7. The vents in the aft session, the engine shielding, etc.

No published wind limits for launch. SpaceX is probably going to be on the conservative side considering everything is so new with this vehicle.

Not positive launch is going to happen this week or even next week. Local Notice to Mariners not out yet. Those are released on Wednesdays and there was nothing regarding Starship today so probably nothing thru Tuesday right now.

Guessing SpaceX would prefer the modified license to be issued on a Friday like last time so SpaceX could attempt launch on the following Monday. His guess is NET Monday September 25th.

Thinks timeline is: this launch late September. There will be at least 1 thing that triggers a mishap investigation that takes 6 weeks to 2 months. Next launch after is SN28 after SN26 leaves the pad and rolls down Highway 4 and 28 is static fired early November. Thinks it will be cleared to launch in December.

They think FTS arming will still require de-stacking.

Success for this launch: get the ship over the water without blowing up the pad.
Bonus: reach MaxQ, successfully hotstage, get the ship's engines fired up.
Super Bonus: Get ship to Hawaii
Ultra Super Bonus Have it successfully reenter

Other commentator
Since they are on a Moon timeline... Need significant progress from NASA's perspective
Success for this launch: Need to demonstrate hardware is reusable. The pad needs to stay usable. Need to get to staging.

3rd commentator

Minimum hope: don't nuke the pad again - would be progress
Realistic hope: Full booster flight to hot staging
Unrealistic hope: Ship 25 fire engines and splash down in Hawaii

FAA will call success if SpaceX meets all 9 TFR points, if not it will trigger another mishap report. The hope is that instead of 63 points this will be like a third - maybe 20 points for the next one and instead of 4 months it takes 1 month.

OK that's halfway thru the stream

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Thank you for that! I am very interested but just don't have time to watch these videos, and a summary is GREATLY appreciated!!!

TriAg2010 said:

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PJYoung said:

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Success for this launch: get the ship over the water without blowing up the pad.
Bonus: reach MaxQ, successfully hotstage, get the ship's engines fired up.
Super Bonus: Get ship to Hawaii
Ultra Super Bonus Have it successfully reenter

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I think this is setting the bar for success too low. I think the threshold for success in a fast-moving, iterative process should be "better than last time." In that respect, I think success is a successful stage separation, and if they aren't confident they can do that, they should go back to the drawing board.

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Not blowing up the pad is better than last time but yeah, they need to keep control of the rocket this time as well and hopefully get that hotstaging going.

So dumb, we getting to the point that winter migrant birds will be in the area which may cause further delays.

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OnlyForNow said:

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So dumb, we getting to the point that winter migrant birds will be in the area which may cause further delays.

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Don't worry...all the wind turbines in the area will kill them before they get there...

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Way more then the environmental assessments have shown.

Just go look up why they don't use dogs to conduct bird and bat fatality monitoring…

OnlyForNow said:

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Just go look up why they don't use dogs to conduct bird and bat fatality monitoring…

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Let me guess, because they actually find dead birds, as opposed to:

Environmentalist #1: "You see any dead birds around here?"
Environmentalist #2: "Nope!"

OnlyForNow said:

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So dumb, we getting to the point that winter migrant birds will be in the area which may cause further delays.

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Good thing for Florida they don't have winter migrant birds to worry about.

Tailgate88 said:

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OnlyForNow said:

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Just go look up why they don't use dogs to conduct bird and bat fatality monitoring…

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Let me guess, because they actually find dead birds, as opposed to:

Environmentalist #1: "You see any dead birds around here?"
Environmentalist #2: "Nope!"

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Pretty much how it works...

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Published in the Journal of Wildlife Management in 2020, the controlled study shows dogs are between 2.7 and 6.4 times better at locating bats and small birds than humans. At one search site, "dogs found 71 bat fatalities in 55 searches compared to 1 bat found by humans in 69 searches," according to the study.

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Destacking...


There's currently no need for it to be stacked and they will need to destack anyways to install the FTS (flight termination system).

Oh hey, there's some breaking news from Elon

pic.twitter.com/PNqzTeDT0J

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 14, 2023

SpaceX's Kathy Leuders says Starship's second launch could be in about 2-3 weeks.

Great clips from @SpacePadreIsle in these posts. https://t.co/4Coz9XalPX

— Chris Bergin - NSF (@NASASpaceflight) September 14, 2023

Not a big fan of hers.

TexAgs91 said:

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Oh hey, there's some breaking news from Elon

pic.twitter.com/PNqzTeDT0J

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 14, 2023

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I don't get it? Am I too old? Am I too young?

The gentleman on the left is Ice Cube.

lb3 said:

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Not a big fan of hers.

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Between what she said and NASASpaceFlight and the FAA I would say Monday October 2nd for the attempt.

Raptor engine demonstration of a descent burn to the lunar surface pic.twitter.com/MbW19KFm2H

— SpaceX (@SpaceX) September 14, 2023