SN10 is indeed headed to the launch pad today

They've invested billions. Why not file for a flight permit for every permutation of engines and serial number starships for every day for the next thirty days?

PJYoung said:

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SN10 is indeed headed to the launch pad today

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Since this is not a "new" vehicle will it launch first?

SPI-FlatsCatter 84 said:

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That is actually good news for me, because I can watch the launch pad right out of my kitchen window. But, I had to drive down to McAllen this afternoon. I Was afraids going to miss it.

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Well........

Monday works for me.

so freakin badass to see two of those rockets out at once.

nortex97 said:

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They've invested billions. Why not file for a flight permit for every permutation of engines and serial number starships for every day for the next thirty days?

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Mathguy64 said:

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In not sure this is all on the FAA. SpaceX itself shares some blame in that we are all watching feeds and live video of a test stand and inferring what's going to happen by watching recondensers and purging valves open and close and from tweets of locals. For all we know SN9 was never supposed to fly yesterday. It could have been a full WDR. Since they don't publish any information about their test schedule it's really not a certainty that the FAA pulled their certificates. They could help themselves with some better PR.

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Nah, they're doing tests, they don't need to broadcast when they're testing the system. People know based upon flight clearance/road closures etc. not to mention Elon made it clear yesterday was the day and the FAA blocked it.

PJYoung said:

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nortex97 said:

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They've invested billions. Why not file for a flight permit for every permutation of engines and serial number starships for every day for the next thirty days?

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"While we recognize the importance of innovation...we have paperwork and processes in place. Lifetime employment ain't possible by moving quickly in the interest of logic in a civil service job."

I'd just note that the mob knew how to bribe/pay city hall people off back in the day (not advocating violence or anything ridiculous).

One of my early bosses told me "you don't yell at the gate agent until she's scanned your boarding pass." I guess Elon flies private and hasn't learned that lesson.

PJYoung said:

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Awesome. However....

I wouldn't want to see SN9 accidentally come down too close to SN10

Looks like Musk has annoyed the wrong people.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/22256657/spacex-launch-violation-explosive-starship-faa-investigation-elon-musk

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1

Rapier108 said:

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Looks like Musk has annoyed the wrong people.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/22256657/spacex-launch-violation-explosive-starship-faa-investigation-elon-musk

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1

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More like he is taking too much of the pie from those who already play the game

Rapier108 said:

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Looks like Musk has annoyed the wrong people.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/22256657/spacex-launch-violation-explosive-starship-faa-investigation-elon-musk

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1

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The US Department of Justice (DoJ) is investigating SpaceX's hiring practices after a job applicant filed a complaint claiming he was discriminated against because of his citizenship status.

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LOL and?

I'll bet Elon can't wait to get off this f'd up planet.

The big guy wants his 10%

Rapier108 said:

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Looks like Musk has annoyed the wrong people.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/22256657/spacex-launch-violation-explosive-starship-faa-investigation-elon-musk

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1

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Doesn't spacex have a legitimate interest in only hiring American citizens? Is rocketry not still a protected technology due to its military applications?

Ag$08 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Looks like Musk has annoyed the wrong people.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/22256657/spacex-launch-violation-explosive-starship-faa-investigation-elon-musk

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1

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Doesn't spacex have a legitimate interest in only hiring American citizens? Is rocketry not still a protected technology due to its military applications?

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No idea. Given how the deep state cares more for foreigners than Americans, would not be surprised if that has been lifted. Heck, look how often we find a Chinese spy in Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, etc.

Strap a warhead to one of those rockets and Elon can do whatever the **** he wants.

Ag$08 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Looks like Musk has annoyed the wrong people.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/22256657/spacex-launch-violation-explosive-starship-faa-investigation-elon-musk

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1

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Doesn't spacex have a legitimate interest in only hiring American citizens? Is rocketry not still a protected technology due to its military applications?

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I had a meeting with CBP on some background checks and they said if you were here on DACA don't bother applying.

Musk has already addressed the citizenship issues.... he has to abide by ITAR, and that ham strings them with international partners or hires

Ag$08 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Looks like Musk has annoyed the wrong people.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/29/22256657/spacex-launch-violation-explosive-starship-faa-investigation-elon-musk

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1

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Doesn't spacex have a legitimate interest in only hiring American citizens? Is rocketry not still a protected technology due to its military applications?

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Not everyone is up on the fact that America ended on 11/4/2020. Or even if Musk does realize it Amerika still looks at your pre-stolen election activities.

Is there in fact a chance they could move this stuff down to the Mexican side of the border for land based launches this year?

I've read only a couple hopeful hints at this but have no idea on it, and am curious what the folks here think of that prospect. Refitting the oil rigs is going to take well over 12 months it sounds like.

notex said:

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Is there in fact a chance they could move this stuff down to the Mexican side of the border for land based launches this year?

I've read only a couple hopeful hints at this but have no idea on it, and am curious what the folks here think of that prospect. Refitting the oil rigs is going to take well over 12 months it sounds like.

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I've heard someone say that Amerikans had to abide by the FAA regulations no matter where in the world they launched from. Not sure how accurate that is, but that is what I heard.

TexAgs91 said:

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notex said:

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Is there in fact a chance they could move this stuff down to the Mexican side of the border for land based launches this year?

I've read only a couple hopeful hints at this but have no idea on it, and am curious what the folks here think of that prospect. Refitting the oil rigs is going to take well over 12 months it sounds like.

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I've heard someone say that Amerikans had to abide by the FAA regulations no matter where in the world they launched from. Not sure how accurate that is, but that is what I heard.

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Thx, I'd be skeptical of this. FAA regulations only pertain to US aircraft and air space to my knowledge. Further, corporate structures are easily created to evade direct US taxes/regulations.

What really I don't know is if Mexico has any semblance of a space agency/regulatory authority that would be...of interest. It seems pretty 'young.'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agencia_Espacial_Mexicana

notex said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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notex said:

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Is there in fact a chance they could move this stuff down to the Mexican side of the border for land based launches this year?

I've read only a couple hopeful hints at this but have no idea on it, and am curious what the folks here think of that prospect. Refitting the oil rigs is going to take well over 12 months it sounds like.

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I've heard someone say that Amerikans had to abide by the FAA regulations no matter where in the world they launched from. Not sure how accurate that is, but that is what I heard.

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Thx, I'd be skeptical of this. FAA regulations only pertain to US aircraft and air space to my knowledge. Further, corporate structures are easily created to evade direct US taxes/regulations.

What really I don't know is if Mexico has any semblance of a space agency/regulatory authority that would be...of interest. It seems pretty 'young.'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agencia_Espacial_Mexicana

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I think a lot of countries adopt FAA rules and regulations for type certificates/safety/TSB's etc. (largely all adopt either the European ones, or Chinese ones if not ours). But they don't allow the FAA to control their air space of course, which is really the issue for the notams at BC. The Mexican space agency I believe would coordinate with their air authority on the air space if Spacex ever did set up shop down there for launches. They're trying to create a latin American-Carribean space agency which would be of interest of course to SpaceX (long term this would be a big deal, as it's equatorial waters/land that would be involved), but are focused primarily on satellites.

Regulations I'd guess would be more 'flexible' as all things government related are in Mexico with payments to the 'right' people. Still, they'd have some hurdles; they'd have to get it to the harbor at port isabel (I guess they're planning to do this anyway?), and make sure no ITAR restrictions on exporting the SH or starship stuff a few miles south if they were to build a second launch complex down there. It all seems a bit iffy to consider since they're long term committed to the converted oil rigs it sounds like.

Hopefully it happens tomorrow.

F9 starlink should happen tomorrow;

FH rolled across Louisiana heading for the cape yesterday.

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-heavy-ussf-44-first-booster-delivery/

Random follow up animation video;

Monday cancelled for sure, but weather tomorrow apparently is looking perfect.

I've submitted a FOIA request for communications between FAA and SpaceX to see what I can find out about the delays. Probably won't hear anything for a year or so but it'll be interesting if they don't hide behind a national security exception.

Groundhog day launch!