aTm2004 said:

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agracer said:

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eric76 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.

The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.

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Citations, please.

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Are you always this disconnected from reality?

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I think that the claim is a bunch of bull**** but am giving plenty of opportunity to show me facts that say that I am wrong about that.

Having one or more comorbidities may increase the chance that you will die from covid-19, but that does not mean that those comorbidities played any role in your death.

If you 70 years old and enter the ICU with covid-19 and die from it, your death is most likely from covid-19, not because you are 70 years old. I can't imagine any circumstances under which being 70 years old would be a cause of death.

So lets see those citations.

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The Google is hard...

Is the CDC a good enough citation for you? Ahh...probably not. You'd tell Jesus Christ he was wrong if he personally handed you the information before ascending into Heaven.

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

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So if you have diabetes, for example, you would have died at that time even if you had not had covid-19?

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TexAgs91 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.

The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.

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Citations, please.

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Nah, I've got better things to do since you still haven't answered my question from yesterday.

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aTm2004 said:

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eric76 said:

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agracer said:

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eric76 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.

The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.

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Citations, please.

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Are you always this disconnected from reality?

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I think that the claim is a bunch of bull**** but am giving plenty of opportunity to show me facts that say that I am wrong about that.

Having one or more comorbidities may increase the chance that you will die from covid-19, but that does not mean that those comorbidities played any role in your death.

If you 70 years old and enter the ICU with covid-19 and die from it, your death is most likely from covid-19, not because you are 70 years old. I can't imagine any circumstances under which being 70 years old would be a cause of death.

So lets see those citations.

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The Google is hard...

Is the CDC a good enough citation for you? Ahh...probably not. You'd tell Jesus Christ he was wrong if he personally handed you the information before ascending into Heaven.

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Comorbidities

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,

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So if you have diabetes, for example, you would have died at that time even if you had not had covid-19?

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Where is anyone claiming that? What people are claiming is if you don't have any other issues, you're essentially unaffected. If you have other issues, take some precautions. It's no different than any other virus or disease out there.

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Can't compare the two. The Obama / Biden admin. basically hid it from the public when comparing the two as they ordered the stop of testing a month after declaring it a pandemic so we don't know the total number of people who had/died from swine flu as it affected a much broader age range and had a much higher mortality rate for children. More will come out on this if Jo keeps pushing it as the basically said why test for it since we already declared it a pandemic as the resources it would take and the response would be unfathomable.

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TRUTH

agracer said:

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eric76 said:

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agracer said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.

How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???

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Do you always have problems with reality?

The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.

The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.

I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?

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Reality, that's funny coming from someone so disconnected from reality that they posts about it on a daily basis.

I'm simply pointing out that only 6% of the deaths are from COVID alone.

The others had and AVERAGE of 2.6 comorbidities....Covid may have caused their death (along with their other health conditions) or they may have died from the other health conditions and had Covid when they died.

Where is the same data for SARS,..you know that same thing was a pandemic but no one freaked out about?

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SARS? The "pandemic" with 27 confirmed US cases over a 1 year period? That is your comparison?

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He did not shut down travel from China he only stopped non citizens from coming. Americans returned from china/overseas in droves and were not tested and were not quarantined as strict as they should have been.
Also the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, so we still were receiving goods. Don't get me wrong I think a travel ban is a good idea, BUT the travel ban is a completely overstated action by Trump that really did little to stop the spread.

Also when you said "everyone" was against the travel ban can you please cite comments from Democratic officials or policy makers that said they were against a travel ban? Seeing as you said everyone this should be a relatively easy task.

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Yes they were quarantined. Just like people on cruise ships.

Look it up - plenty of video of Pelosi, Shummer, Cuomo, Biden, De Blasio, etc saying everything gonna be all right. Travel ban is xenophobic.

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Sad Aggie Fan said:

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He did not shut down travel from China he only stopped non citizens from coming. Americans returned from china/overseas in droves and were not tested and were not quarantined as strict as they should have been.
Also the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, so we still were receiving goods. Don't get me wrong I think a travel ban is a good idea, BUT the travel ban is a completely overstated action by Trump that really did little to stop the spread.

Also when you said "everyone" was against the travel ban can you please cite comments from Democratic officials or policy makers that said they were against a travel ban? Seeing as you said everyone this should be a relatively easy task.

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Yes they were quarantined. Just like people on cruise ships.

Look it up - plenty of video of Pelosi, Shummer, Cuomo, Biden, De Blasio, etc saying everything gonna be all right. Travel ban is xenophobic.

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The travel ban slowed the spread but didn't stop it. We had thousands of people still coming in from China is the days that followed the "ban".

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TAMU1990 said:

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Sad Aggie Fan said:

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He did not shut down travel from China he only stopped non citizens from coming. Americans returned from china/overseas in droves and were not tested and were not quarantined as strict as they should have been.
Also the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, so we still were receiving goods. Don't get me wrong I think a travel ban is a good idea, BUT the travel ban is a completely overstated action by Trump that really did little to stop the spread.

Also when you said "everyone" was against the travel ban can you please cite comments from Democratic officials or policy makers that said they were against a travel ban? Seeing as you said everyone this should be a relatively easy task.

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Yes they were quarantined. Just like people on cruise ships.

Look it up - plenty of video of Pelosi, Shummer, Cuomo, Biden, De Blasio, etc saying everything gonna be all right. Travel ban is xenophobic.

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The travel ban slowed the spread but didn't stop it. We had thousands of people still coming in from China is the days that followed the "ban".

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American citizens

TAMU1990 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Sad Aggie Fan said:

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He did not shut down travel from China he only stopped non citizens from coming. Americans returned from china/overseas in droves and were not tested and were not quarantined as strict as they should have been.
Also the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, so we still were receiving goods. Don't get me wrong I think a travel ban is a good idea, BUT the travel ban is a completely overstated action by Trump that really did little to stop the spread.

Also when you said "everyone" was against the travel ban can you please cite comments from Democratic officials or policy makers that said they were against a travel ban? Seeing as you said everyone this should be a relatively easy task.

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Yes they were quarantined. Just like people on cruise ships.

Look it up - plenty of video of Pelosi, Shummer, Cuomo, Biden, De Blasio, etc saying everything gonna be all right. Travel ban is xenophobic.

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The travel ban slowed the spread but didn't stop it. We had thousands of people still coming in from China is the days that followed the "ban".

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American citizens

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So? Those American citizens are the reason we are still partially locked down 7 months later. With no end in sight.

100,000 people died of the Bird Flu in 68/69. There was no lock down either, they let it run it's course.

There was half as many people in the US back then.


So at 200K we've done very well.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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agracer said:

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eric76 said:

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agracer said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.

How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???

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Do you always have problems with reality?

The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.

The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.

I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?

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Reality, that's funny coming from someone so disconnected from reality that they posts about it on a daily basis.

I'm simply pointing out that only 6% of the deaths are from COVID alone.

The others had and AVERAGE of 2.6 comorbidities....Covid may have caused their death (along with their other health conditions) or they may have died from the other health conditions and had Covid when they died.

Where is the same data for SARS,..you know that same thing was a pandemic but no one freaked out about?

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SARS? The "pandemic" with 27 confirmed US cases over a 1 year period? That is your comparison?

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Can you find me another virus/disease/outbreak in recent history where we've tested as much as we have for COVID? I'm not as old as some on here, but I don't recall ever having city mayors and county judges on TV actively begging for people to get tested nor sending testers block walking.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Sad Aggie Fan said:

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He did not shut down travel from China he only stopped non citizens from coming. Americans returned from china/overseas in droves and were not tested and were not quarantined as strict as they should have been.
Also the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, so we still were receiving goods. Don't get me wrong I think a travel ban is a good idea, BUT the travel ban is a completely overstated action by Trump that really did little to stop the spread.

Also when you said "everyone" was against the travel ban can you please cite comments from Democratic officials or policy makers that said they were against a travel ban? Seeing as you said everyone this should be a relatively easy task.

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Yes they were quarantined. Just like people on cruise ships.

Look it up - plenty of video of Pelosi, Shummer, Cuomo, Biden, De Blasio, etc saying everything gonna be all right. Travel ban is xenophobic.

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The travel ban slowed the spread but didn't stop it. We had thousands of people still coming in from China is the days that followed the "ban".

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American citizens

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So? Those American citizens are the reason we are still partially locked down 7 months later. With no end in sight.

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Trump is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

People with a 24/7 menstrual cycle since Trump was elected:
- Trump implements band but allows Americans to come in: "He's still letting people in with his racist travel ban! RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!"
- Trump doesn't allow Americans to come back: "He wants to kill Americans and not allow them to come home and be safe!!! RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"

This is a dumb argument. No oresident owns deaths from a global pandemic.

aTm2004 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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agracer said:

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eric76 said:

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agracer said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.

How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???

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Do you always have problems with reality?

The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.

The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.

I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?

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Reality, that's funny coming from someone so disconnected from reality that they posts about it on a daily basis.

I'm simply pointing out that only 6% of the deaths are from COVID alone.

The others had and AVERAGE of 2.6 comorbidities....Covid may have caused their death (along with their other health conditions) or they may have died from the other health conditions and had Covid when they died.

Where is the same data for SARS,..you know that same thing was a pandemic but no one freaked out about?

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SARS? The "pandemic" with 27 confirmed US cases over a 1 year period? That is your comparison?

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Can you find me another virus/disease/outbreak in recent history where we've tested as much as we have for COVID? I'm not as old as some on here, but I don't recall ever having city mayors and county judges on TV actively begging for people to get tested nor sending testers block walking.

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For the record, I think the virus has been overblown by the 24 hour news cycle. But it is unique to past virus scares.

It is more contagious than a lot of viruses and is frankly everywhere at this point. Much more deadly than something like swine flu, especially to certain age groups. People are contagious long before they display symptoms.

Comparing COVID to SARS or swine flu is frankly silly.

Someone better talk to the leader of Fiji.

They had 32 cases and 2 deaths. That's a 6.25% mortality rate.

So by the statistics, Fiji has some very poor leadership compared to Trump.

Vader Was Framed said:

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RulesForTheNotForMe said:

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These are facts:
Trump implemented travel ban before any other country on the planet.

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FALSE. It's amazing how this gets repeated over half a year later.

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Your sources are absolute TDS liberal biased garbage.

What is ACTUALLY AMAZING is how many of your TDS air heads believe ANYONE can stop a virus for eternity.

The ONLY realistic option you have when confronted with a Global Pandemic is implement policies that:
A) Do not overwhelm hospitals
B) Delay the number of infections long enough to gain knowledge on proper treatment
C) Develop a vaccine if possible

Without disrupting your countries way of life for years and years (See New Zealand/ Australia), Trump has done exactly what can be done to somewhat allow society to function.

THE ENTIRE GOAL FROM EVERYONE IN FEB/MARCH WAS SLOW THE SPREAD TO NOT OVERWHELM THE HOSPITALS.

The goal posts have moved so much from "Stop the Spread" to "KILL ALL VIRUS EVERYWHERE" that it's not possible to succeed.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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agracer said:

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eric76 said:

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agracer said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.

How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???

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Do you always have problems with reality?

The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.

The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.

I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?

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Reality, that's funny coming from someone so disconnected from reality that they posts about it on a daily basis.

I'm simply pointing out that only 6% of the deaths are from COVID alone.

The others had and AVERAGE of 2.6 comorbidities....Covid may have caused their death (along with their other health conditions) or they may have died from the other health conditions and had Covid when they died.

Where is the same data for SARS,..you know that same thing was a pandemic but no one freaked out about?

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SARS? The "pandemic" with 27 confirmed US cases over a 1 year period? That is your comparison?

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Can you find me another virus/disease/outbreak in recent history where we've tested as much as we have for COVID? I'm not as old as some on here, but I don't recall ever having city mayors and county judges on TV actively begging for people to get tested nor sending testers block walking.

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For the record, I think the virus has been overblown by the 24 hour news cycle. But it is unique to past virus scares.

It is more contagious than a lot of viruses and is frankly everywhere at this point. Much more deadly than something like swine flu, especially to certain age groups. People are contagious long before they display symptoms.

Comparing COVID to SARS or swine flu is frankly silly.

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How can you say that when you have nothing to compare it to? Without testing other viruses at the same rate we've tested this, you can't be even remotely certain that's accurate. Also, is it much more deadly? As I just stated, without knowing the true denominator of this, or any other virus, you can't claim that to be accurate either.

And the fact that the older population is more susceptible isn't unique to COVID. The fact that majority of people have mild or no symptoms isn't unique. This is not some super virus.

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Someone better talk to the leader of Fiji.

They had 32 cases and 2 deaths. That's a 6.25% mortality rate.

So by the statistics, Fiji has some very poor leadership compared to Trump.

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IT'S IN THE WATER!!!!

I see ol' baller is trying to get people banned for the upcoming big sports weekend .

Danny Vermin said:

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I see ol' baller is trying to get people banned for the upcoming big sports weekend .

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Yep.

aTm2004 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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agracer said:

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eric76 said:

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agracer said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.

How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???

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Do you always have problems with reality?

The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.

The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.

I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?

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Reality, that's funny coming from someone so disconnected from reality that they posts about it on a daily basis.

I'm simply pointing out that only 6% of the deaths are from COVID alone.

The others had and AVERAGE of 2.6 comorbidities....Covid may have caused their death (along with their other health conditions) or they may have died from the other health conditions and had Covid when they died.

Where is the same data for SARS,..you know that same thing was a pandemic but no one freaked out about?

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SARS? The "pandemic" with 27 confirmed US cases over a 1 year period? That is your comparison?

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Can you find me another virus/disease/outbreak in recent history where we've tested as much as we have for COVID? I'm not as old as some on here, but I don't recall ever having city mayors and county judges on TV actively begging for people to get tested nor sending testers block walking.

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For the record, I think the virus has been overblown by the 24 hour news cycle. But it is unique to past virus scares.

It is more contagious than a lot of viruses and is frankly everywhere at this point. Much more deadly than something like swine flu, especially to certain age groups. People are contagious long before they display symptoms.

Comparing COVID to SARS or swine flu is frankly silly.

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How can you say that when you have nothing to compare it to? Without testing other viruses at the same rate we've tested this, you can't be even remotely certain that's accurate. Also, is it much more deadly? As I just stated, without knowing the true denominator of this, or any other virus, you can't claim that to be accurate either.

And the fact that the older population is more susceptible isn't unique to COVID. The fact that majority of people have mild or no symptoms isn't unique. This is not some super virus.

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I'm going off the fact that there are 30M confirmed international cases and about 1M deaths.

SARS had 8,000 international cases
Recent bird flu strains infected 800 people worldwide
Ebola is not very contagious as it can only be passed with fluids

They suspect like 700M people worldwide had swine flu but only had 20,000 confirmed deaths worldwide.

The data is spotty but it is safe to say COVID is more contagious than SARS, bird flu and Ebola and much more deadly than Swine flu

You only know how many cases because it's been confirmed. Widespread testing on this level didn't happen, thus there's no way of knowing how many asymptomatic people there were with it. Once again, without knowing the true denominator, you can't be positive it is.

Love how this thread brought out all the usual suspects from the left.

November will be glorious, and only topped by the joy of knowing Trump will be President for 4 more years, and several hundred more judge appointments, including a few on SCOTUS.

There was not a response to swine flu. This could have happened with the swine flu. Stirred up panic makes a mountain out of any mole hill. Add financial incentive and FEMA money with a complicit media. Yikes.

agracer said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.

How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???

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This board is right about a lot of stuff but stop spewing this crap. Excessive deaths for the year in the US match pretty closely with COVID-19 deaths.

TexAgs91 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.

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Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.

The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.

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Why are people touting this 6% stat like it's some massive "gotcha"? A quick look at the source of that number easily shows that anyone who died of Coronavirus with respiratory failure would be excluded from that 6%. That alone would make the number closer to 50%

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Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.

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As of September 12th, the CDC said there were almost 180,000 death certificates with COVID-19 on them. Of those 180,000, around 6% had COVID as the only cause of death.

Some of the other causes of death that appear in the other 94% of deaths:

• Influenza and Pneumonia (lung inflammation caused by bacterial or viral infection): 77,012
• Respiratory Failure: 61,785 (over 1/3)
• ARDS: 23,910
• Respiratory Arrest: 3,652
• Cardiac Arrest: 22,312

I think it's pretty reasonable that COVID-19 kills people by directly causing a lot of the above since it attacks breathing and the vascular system. It's more surprising that 6% of COVID-19 deaths only had 1 cause of death on it. I'm not really sure how a virus kills someone without causing issues.

For reference, here are some key preexisting risk factor numbers from the same source, via the death certificates.:

• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 15,487
• Hypertensive diseases: 39,547
• Ischemic heart disease: 20,327
• Diabetes: 29.425
• Obesity: 6,563

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/04/joe-biden-contain-h1n1-virus-232992

aTm2004 said:

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You only know how many cases because it's been confirmed. Widespread testing on this level didn't happen, thus there's no way of knowing how many asymptomatic people there were with it. Once again, without knowing the true denominator, you can't be positive it is.

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Agreed. The denominator is likely much bigger. But swine flu's denominator was 10% of the human race and 1/50 of the current COVID death toll. They are very different.

RDV-1992 said:

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Trump has definitely done some good things for our country. But the COVID-19 response was a disorganized circus.

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Please be specific on how he could have handled COVID-19 to meet your approval.

TIA

BoydCrowder13 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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You only know how many cases because it's been confirmed. Widespread testing on this level didn't happen, thus there's no way of knowing how many asymptomatic people there were with it. Once again, without knowing the true denominator, you can't be positive it is.

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Agreed. The denominator is likely much bigger. But swine flu's denominator was 10% of the human race and 1/50 of the current COVID death toll. They are very different.

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Huh? Confirmed or estimated by the experts that have shown us how much of an expert they are?

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RDV-1992 said:

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Trump has definitely done some good things for our country. But the COVID-19 response was a disorganized circus.

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Please be specific on how he could have handled COVID-19 to meet your approval.

TIA

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He couldn't have. He just wants to complain about something and his wife or dog aren't around.