Yep. Invalidated.aginlakeway said:Yep. ANY deaths were Obama/Biden's fault.Gigem314 said:
So Biden didn't live up to his stated expectation of "no deaths" during Swine Flu.
Guess I can't vote for him then. He wasn't doing his job.
Oh well.
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Gigem314 said:Yep. Invalidated.aginlakeway said:Yep. ANY deaths were Obama/Biden's fault.Gigem314 said:
So Biden didn't live up to his stated expectation of "no deaths" during Swine Flu.
Guess I can't vote for him then. He wasn't doing his job.
Oh well.
I also assume ANY deaths from 2008-2016 were Obama/Biden's fault. Isn't that how this works?
Nancy and DeBlasio were calling it Xenophobic while they attended Chinese New Year celebrations, is your memory that short? So they were even opposed to what you are implying was a half way measure.
I'm laughing bc those projections were early and on the high end.
Use common sense and look at our deaths compared to the rest of the world and then have the audacity to say we are doing a good job.
Use common sense and look at our deaths compared to the rest of the world and then have the audacity to say we are doing a good job.
That's a lot of deaths. Particularly when you look at the wars.aginlakeway said:Gigem314 said:Yep. Invalidated.aginlakeway said:Yep. ANY deaths were Obama/Biden's fault.Gigem314 said:
So Biden didn't live up to his stated expectation of "no deaths" during Swine Flu.
Guess I can't vote for him then. He wasn't doing his job.
Oh well.
I also assume ANY deaths from 2008-2016 were Obama/Biden's fault. Isn't that how this works?
These are facts:
Trump implemented travel ban before any other country on the planet. Was called racist, xenophobic, fear mongorer by the ENTIRE Democratic Party.
Testing issues were solely the CDC's fault and those issues were primarily due to China not allowing anyone access to ground zero. i.e. flying blind
Trump listened to "sciencists" that said, "masks will not stop transmission" in February- late April. Zero politicians wore masks until late April, then it became a political tool.
Trump gave guidance for states and said, if you need help call. But you have to call. Every call they received, they answered and got the states what they needed.
The democrats have done absolutely NOTHING constructive this entire pandemic, literally nothing. If you want to see how this pandemic would have gone under dem control, look at NY, NJ, etc and apply it nationwide. If you think for a half second they would have performed even remotely as well as Trump, you need to seek mental evaluation. Trump's early actions that earned him the racist, xenophobic title most likely saved close to a million lives. The democrats would not have ever called for a travel ban.... ever.
Trump implemented travel ban before any other country on the planet. Was called racist, xenophobic, fear mongorer by the ENTIRE Democratic Party.
Testing issues were solely the CDC's fault and those issues were primarily due to China not allowing anyone access to ground zero. i.e. flying blind
Trump listened to "sciencists" that said, "masks will not stop transmission" in February- late April. Zero politicians wore masks until late April, then it became a political tool.
Trump gave guidance for states and said, if you need help call. But you have to call. Every call they received, they answered and got the states what they needed.
The democrats have done absolutely NOTHING constructive this entire pandemic, literally nothing. If you want to see how this pandemic would have gone under dem control, look at NY, NJ, etc and apply it nationwide. If you think for a half second they would have performed even remotely as well as Trump, you need to seek mental evaluation. Trump's early actions that earned him the racist, xenophobic title most likely saved close to a million lives. The democrats would not have ever called for a travel ban.... ever.
Also the "scientists" we are all told to listen to without question told Trump NOT to ban travel from China (essentially allowing non-U.S. citizens to fly to this country). All those scientists now agree that Trump made the right call...the spin that they should have been quarantined or tested more thoroughly is bunk because the scientists didn't even think a ban was necessary.BQ78 said:
Nancy and DeBlasio were calling it Xenophobic while they attended Chinese New Year celebrations, is your memory that short? So they were even opposed to what you are implying was a half way measure.
Sad Aggie Fan said:
He did not shut down travel from China he only stopped non citizens from coming. Americans returned from china/overseas in droves and were not tested and were not quarantined as strict as they should have been.
Also the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, so we still were receiving goods. Don't get me wrong I think a travel ban is a good idea, BUT the travel ban is a completely overstated action by Trump that really did little to stop the spread.
Also when you said "everyone" was against the travel ban can you please cite comments from Democratic officials or policy makers that said they were against a travel ban? Seeing as you said everyone this should be a relatively easy task.
Here's Nancy out there after the ban reminding everyone how much we shouldn't fear the 'rona:
Hello, can you please provide the evidence or a video/tweet where they said that? It is not that I do not believe you, It would be nice to see.
This post should have a Sad Face Emoji, but Staff and others can't take a joke. I am still sad.
Oh, early and on the high end. I guess that makes a difference. Let's just roll with it and see how bad it can really be, ok? Who cares what the experts say.BallerStaf2003 said:
I'm laughing bc those projections were early and on the high end.
Use common sense and look at our deaths compared to the rest of the world and then have the audacity to say we are doing a good job.
200k deaths in a population of >300mm...yeah, I'd say we're doing pretty good, unless you actually believe the numbers China is putting out.
You're asking someone to go beyond the surface level of a situation and consider context. Most people here have the ability to do so.aTm2004 said:Oh, early and on the high end. I guess that makes a difference. Let's just roll with it and see how bad it can really be, ok? Who cares what the experts say.BallerStaf2003 said:
I'm laughing bc those projections were early and on the high end.
Use common sense and look at our deaths compared to the rest of the world and then have the audacity to say we are doing a good job.
200k deaths in a population of >300mm...yeah, I'd say we're doing pretty good, unless you actually believe the numbers China is putting out.
Sorry, but where does Biden, in that tweet and video, say he opposes the travel ban?
This post should have a Sad Face Emoji, but Staff and others can't take a joke. I am still sad.
They didn't call it xenophobic, but Nancy and NYC leadership did go out and encourage people to go to Chinatown in their respective cities after Trump implemented the ban. Don't think for a second anyone in NYC would go out there without the mayor's blessing.Sad Aggie Fan said:
Hello, can you please provide the evidence or a video/tweet where they said that? It is not that I do not believe you, It would be nice to see.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/30/de-blasio-nyc-officials-downplayed-covid-19-threat-after-trump-restricted-travel-to-china-here-are-5-examples/
You know exactly what he meant when he said it, but keep on...Sad Aggie Fan said:
Sorry, but where does Biden, in that tweet and video, say he opposes the travel ban?
Yep. Sadly, some don't. See above exampe.
He probably also thinks Biden was really against the protests all long and pro-police...and that Trump caused all the riots with Russia.aTm2004 said:You know exactly what he meant when he said it, but keep on...Sad Aggie Fan said:
Sorry, but where does Biden, in that tweet and video, say he opposes the travel ban?
Gigem314 said:He probably also thinks Biden was really against the protests all long and pro-police...and that Trump caused all the riots with Russia.aTm2004 said:You know exactly what he meant when he said it, but keep on...Sad Aggie Fan said:
Sorry, but where does Biden, in that tweet and video, say he opposes the travel ban?
Seems like they were making an effort to prevent a minority population of Americans from being discriminated against amid fear of Chinese people.
At the same time I do see this as disingenuous attempt to undermined trump and his supporters. Nancy and Bill are both willing to sell their souls if it means pissing off trump and his voters.
But again, this is not an outright statement against a ban on china. Just saying people should not treat Chinese citizens like **** because they are scared.
At the same time I do see this as disingenuous attempt to undermined trump and his supporters. Nancy and Bill are both willing to sell their souls if it means pissing off trump and his voters.
But again, this is not an outright statement against a ban on china. Just saying people should not treat Chinese citizens like **** because they are scared.
This post should have a Sad Face Emoji, but Staff and others can't take a joke. I am still sad.
Well, maybe you can find a strong case where someone does say outright that they are against the travel ban. Because you did say "everyone" there should be tons of more quotes from the democratic party.
This post should have a Sad Face Emoji, but Staff and others can't take a joke. I am still sad.
No, they were out pandering as they always do because of "racist" Trump and his racist travel ban! At the same time, they were giving him ammo to use right now when they try to blame him for COVID.Sad Aggie Fan said:
Seems like they were making an effort to prevent a minority population of Americans from being discriminated against amid fear of Chinese people.
You'd have a point if they didn't oppose 100% of the things Trump has done, or if they didn't spend the better part of 3 years calling him a racist.Quote:
At the same time I do see this as disingenuous attempt to undermined trump and his supporters. Nancy and Bill are both willing to sell their souls if it means pissing off trump and his voters.
But again, this is not an outright statement against a ban on china. Just saying people should not treat Chinese citizens like **** because they are scared.
Do you always have problems with reality?agracer said:10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???
The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.
The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.
I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?
annie88 said:
Trump is right. Again.
Nope. Everyone was wrong.
The Orlando motorcycle guy's death was corrected when it was brought to their attention.aTm2004 said:Just gonna throw this out there...if there's proof of the local and state governments suppressing low COVID numbers as well as counting obvious non-COVID deaths as COVID (Orlando motorcycle guy), is it not reasonable to assume they are also inflating death numbers?BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
Of course, in a perfect world, nobody ever makes a mistake no matter how overwhelmed they may be in handling a pandemic. News flash! This is not a perfect world.
So the CDC is lying? That's your answer, to LOL and suggest the CDC data is wrong?BallerStaf2003 said:agracer said:10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???
Good God.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/coronavirus/cdc-data-shows-significance-of-underlying-health-concerns-in-covid-19-deaths
https://nbc25news.com/news/local/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions
In the early days of the pandemic when we really didn't know what was happening and there were errors made, it is natural that the projections were flawed. And you want to count the difference between the flawed projections and the actual deaths as Trump saving millions of lives?aTm2004 said:They'll never admit Trump saved millions of lives. They'd rather spend a week watching Hillary getting waxed.Cassius said:RDV-1992 said:
Trump has definitely done some good things for our country. But the COVID-19 response was a disorganized circus.
They projected 2 million deaths. Trumps response limited it to 200k. Pretty good.
2:20...you'll feel the Bern. The whole thing is actually a really good dick slap to the dems.Sad Aggie Fan said:
Well, maybe you can find a strong case where someone does say outright that they are against the travel ban. Because you did say "everyone" there should be tons of more quotes from the democratic party.
Citations, please.TexAgs91 said:Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.
Yeah, it was a mistake! A mistake I tell ya!eric76 said:The Orlando motorcycle guy's death was corrected when it was brought to their attention.aTm2004 said:Just gonna throw this out there...if there's proof of the local and state governments suppressing low COVID numbers as well as counting obvious non-COVID deaths as COVID (Orlando motorcycle guy), is it not reasonable to assume they are also inflating death numbers?BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
Of course, in a perfect world, nobody ever makes a mistake no matter how overwhelmed they may be in handling a pandemic. News flash! This is not a perfect world.
"But you could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash."
Reality, that's funny coming from someone so disconnected from reality that they posts about it on a daily basis.eric76 said:Do you always have problems with reality?agracer said:10K have died from China virus directly. 180k have died from other disease and Covid may or may not have kicked them over the edge.BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
How many died from Swine Flu 'complications'???
The only way I can see you arriving at anything close to those numbers is if you are claiming that anyone with a comorbidity died from that comorbidity, not from covid.
The fact is that covid kills a lot of people directly. Many may have comorbidities, but that does not mean that they died from the comorbidity.
I note how you say "Swine Flu 'complications'". Does this mean that you want to count deaths as the flu that were actually from unrelated opportunistic infections?
I'm simply pointing out that only 6% of the deaths are from COVID alone.
The others had and AVERAGE of 2.6 comorbidities....Covid may have caused their death (along with their other health conditions) or they may have died from the other health conditions and had Covid when they died.
Where is the same data for SARS,..you know that same thing was a pandemic but no one freaked out about?
As long as the dems are going to blame every death on Trump and ignore their part in downplaying it, while simultaneously praising Cuomo for the job he did, I'm on the "Trump saved millions of lives" bandwagon.eric76 said:In the early days of the pandemic when we really didn't know what was happening and there were errors made, it is natural that the projections were flawed. And you want to count the difference between the flawed projections and the actual deaths as Trump saving millions of lives?aTm2004 said:They'll never admit Trump saved millions of lives. They'd rather spend a week watching Hillary getting waxed.Cassius said:RDV-1992 said:
Trump has definitely done some good things for our country. But the COVID-19 response was a disorganized circus.
They projected 2 million deaths. Trumps response limited it to 200k. Pretty good.
Are you always this disconnected from reality?eric76 said:Citations, please.TexAgs91 said:Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.
I think that the claim is a bunch of bull**** but am giving plenty of opportunity to show me facts that say that I am wrong about that.agracer said:Are you always this disconnected from reality?eric76 said:Citations, please.TexAgs91 said:Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.
Having one or more comorbidities may increase the chance that you will die from covid-19, but that does not mean that those comorbidities played any role in your death.
If you 70 years old and enter the ICU with covid-19 and die from it, your death is most likely from covid-19, not because you are 70 years old. I can't imagine any circumstances under which being 70 years old would be a cause of death.
So lets see those citations.
The Google is hard...eric76 said:I think that the claim is a bunch of bull**** but am giving plenty of opportunity to show me facts that say that I am wrong about that.agracer said:Are you always this disconnected from reality?eric76 said:Citations, please.TexAgs91 said:Yes, but how many people died of other things who also had swine flu? They didn't check. So that's probably just swine flu deaths.BallerStaf2003 said:
Last time I checked, 12K is less than 200K.
The number of corona virus deaths is not 200K. It's 198K. And as we know, only 6% of the covid deaths are only from covid. 6% of 198K is 11,880. LESS than 12K.
Having one or more comorbidities may increase the chance that you will die from covid-19, but that does not mean that those comorbidities played any role in your death.
If you 70 years old and enter the ICU with covid-19 and die from it, your death is most likely from covid-19, not because you are 70 years old. I can't imagine any circumstances under which being 70 years old would be a cause of death.
So lets see those citations.
Is the CDC a good enough citation for you? Ahh...probably not. You'd tell Jesus Christ he was wrong if he personally handed you the information before ascending into Heaven.
Quote:
Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities,
Plus... once they determined it could be used as a political tool to affect the election potentially in their favor (if they didn't know that all along) the media and dems of course jumped all over it and began to deflect and play the blame game. Nothing like that occurred at all with any of the flu epidemics during past administrations.Tramp96 said:
The medical experts in January were saying there was no human-to-human transmission they could see.
The medical experts in January and February said there was no need to worry about it.
The medical experts said we should not wear masks up until May, and then changed their minds.
Trump shut down travel from China in late January/early February. Everyone was opposed to him doing it.
Trump shut down travel from Europe in March, before other countries followed suit.
The medical experts really had no clue what they were doing on the treatment until June/July, when they realized that the traditional means of treating pulmonary issues weren't really the best solution for this.
And yet everyone blames Trump for the government response? Come on, folks. That is absolutely ridiculous. I noticed that NO ONE who is blaming Trump for ALL of the COVID infections and death have actually offered what they would have done different. I haven't heard a single person offer an alternative response for each and every month of this pandemic. NONE.
The huge difference is this china virus was totally sensationalized on purpose and anyone that cannot see that is being intellectually disingenous.
“Death is preferable to dishonor"
Lot of good responses from others but here is mine from good old Nancy where she was proposing a bill to take away the president's power to implement travel bans:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/27/pelosi-promoted-chinatown-tourism-while-trump-issued-china-travel-ban/Quote:
Pelosi said on January 31:Quote:
In the coming weeks, the House Judiciary Committee will mark-up and bring to the Floor the No Ban Act to prohibit religious discrimination in our immigration system and limit the President's ability to impose such biased and bigoted restrictions. We will never allow hatred or bigotry to define our nation or destroy our values.
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