your respiratory system shutting down is not a sign of overdose?

Will the crowd boo?

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4stringAg said:

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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They aren't getting off of the charges. They may on appeal, but there isn't a court in the country with the balls to address this for what it is. The court of public opinion has spoken.

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All it takes is one juror for a hung jury.

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A hung jury is both racist and threatening because it reminds people of lynching.

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4stringAg said:

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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it's amazing how speculation turns into being stated as if it's fact. the dude was driving a car and walking around and talking. he wasn't overdosing.

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Wanna know how I know you didn't take the time to watch the body cam footage?

Don't care...won't be watching

Think this is the last straw for me. Im out.

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coming to the wrong conclusion because evidence wouldn't be available in a different situation doesn't eliminate the clear video evidence of him not exhibiting outward signs of overdose in this situation.

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Dude, just stop. He was showing clear signs of overdose in the full video. Did you completely miss the part where he said he couldn't breathe BEFORE he was even on the ground? And the fact that he was somewhat spastic during the whole interaction? I'm not saying what the officer did was right (I don't know), but his lungs were holding three times the amount of fluid healthy lungs hold.

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Think this is the last straw for me. Im out.

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One begins to wonder if the owners don't mind taking the loss. Im curious what the NFL is gaining out of this. Do they feel like they taken hostage by the athletes? Or do they realize that fans of the NFL would watch lesser athletes play sans politics?

Seems like they could save a lot of money and headache by letting the athletes walk. No contract is guaranteed outside of a very small percentage...the whole thing feels like when Gillette had that awful commercial about toxic masculinity. That made sense to me because Gillette is just one of thousands owned by their parent company. They could afford the hit to make a statement.

The NFL? Not so much.

I hope the halftime show is going to be sponsored by Fentanyl. " Are you a repeat felon who likes to stiff small businesses ???? Want to do your part in destroying the social fabric of a great nation ??? Try Fentanyl !!!!! " brought to you by Mylan pharmaceuticals. Fentanyl is a trademark of Mylan pharmaceuticals.

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4stringAg said:

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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it's amazing how speculation turns into being stated as if it's fact. the dude was driving a car and walking around and talking. he wasn't overdosing.

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With meth and COVID in his system.

After spending time in prison for breaking and entering a home and holding a pregnant woman at gunpoint.

Weird how those facts seemed to slip by you.

Regular folks care about the truth. Other folks have agendas. The only people that are still pushing that George Floyd Was murdered by a police officer are in the latter group. The lie must be maintained to be used as the "spark" that fired the Marxist Revolution (read up on BLM) and that is what we are really seeing. Add Jacob Blake to the fire. Two known violent repeat felony offenders, being arrested for yet again more crimes. One took enough drugs to kill a horse and dies in custody, and the other resisted arrest violently while armed with a knife, claimed to have a gun in his car and forcefully tried to enter said car (with his 3 kids in it) against police orders getting shot. If these two guys were White, everyone would have said "what a dumbass", but because these two were Black, they get uplifted to deity status.

One problem is with a culture that would do that with criminals. The other is far more sinister. Our media, sports platforms, institutions of learning, and other forms of daily input for us are helping to use these guys as "the spark" by using them like tools as part of production of their product. That product is indoctrination. And way, way too much of America is buying into it. Marxism is the shiny car that they are selling in their commercials and sponsorships, and it is easy to see with a clear mind.

The dilemma of any LEO or CO is how to restrain an individual, who is out of control due to drugs, in such a way as to avoid harm to the individual, LEO/CO and/or others.

Floyd died of a heart attack, would he have died if left on his own, perhaps, would he have run into traffic, maybe, would he have hurt someone, definitely. Tough decisions had to be made, in this case a poor one.

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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it's amazing how speculation turns into being stated as if it's fact. the dude was driving a car and walking around and talking. he wasn't overdosing.

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He had almost 4 times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, plus other drugs. What do you call that? He said he couldn't breathe MANY times while sill standing up. He was high as a kite.

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Already saw it. Doesn't fix the problems with the Baden autopsy report.

The ME also has an issue, admitting on May 31 after receipt of the tox report that had Floyd been in any other situation, he would have ruled it an accidental overdose. He's going to have a very hard time explaining that to a jury.

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coming to the wrong conclusion because evidence wouldn't be available in a different situation doesn't eliminate the clear video evidence of him not exhibiting outward signs of overdose in this situation.

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Have you watched the entire 40 minutes of body cam footage? Because Floyd was complaining he couldn't breathe nearly from the get-go when he was standing up and only hand cuffed. He was acting erratic and resisting arrest. Knocked his head against the partition in the squad car cutting his lip.

There were no injuries to his neck, trachea and he was easily intubated when the EMS finally arrived after being called twice. Why is it the officer's fault that the EMS got lost? So did the firefighters responding to the call. Dispatch sent them to the wrong location.

Floyd had overdosed before and taken to the hospital where they revived him.

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listen, i'm fine with saying that it is a murky situation and at trial all the evidence can be laid out plainly.

but the original post i replied to stated plainly that he died of an overdose and made no mention of the police officers' role in his death.

can we agree that that is a bad take?

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The post you responded to was an opinion supported by all the facts.

You posted a lie based on an anti-police, anti-American narrative being pushed by propagandists. That lie was easily proven by the available indisputable facts.

You can't have a decent conversation here and it's because of posts like yours that ignore facts in order to push an agenda. Then you blame everyone else because you are upset that reality doesn't align with your feelings. Which pretty much summarizes the radical stance the left has taken over the last decade.

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For what?

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For George Floyd being drug free for 110 days...

His family will be booed mercilessly, but they are all millionaires now so thanks George for your suicide.

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His family will be booed mercilessly, .

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By whom?

That is why I hope that those in charge will reconsider this activity. It creates a lose/lose situation for everyone.

It's called appeasement.

Please have these trials televised. The public needs to hear both sides.

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Please have these trials televised. The public needs to hear both sides.

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No, dear lord no. I never want to revisit the OJ times. Beside that, the charges should just be dismissed.

For being a thug?!

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4stringAg said:

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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it's amazing how speculation turns into being stated as if it's fact. the dude was driving a car and walking around and talking. he wasn't overdosing.

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You do realize that if he had ingested an overdose like quantity as he was being pulled over in order to try to consume the amount he was holding in order to avoid charges like many druggies do that it would have taken several minutes for to hit his system so he could have been walking around just fine for several minutes prior to the symptoms of overdose hit his body.

The more we learn about the situation the more it becomes clear that is what happened.

Hears Eric76 talking about Trayvon Martin....

schmendeler says "let me tell you about George Floyd, hold my beer...."

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Already saw it. Doesn't fix the problems with the Baden autopsy report.

The ME also has an issue, admitting on May 31 after receipt of the tox report that had Floyd been in any other situation, he would have ruled it an accidental overdose. He's going to have a very hard time explaining that to a jury.

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coming to the wrong conclusion because evidence wouldn't be available in a different situation doesn't eliminate the clear video evidence of him not exhibiting outward signs of overdose in this situation.

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You can't tell if he was exhibiting most of the signs of overdose or not from the videos. The officers sure thought he was exhibiting signs of being on drugs. One major symptom is troubled breathing which he exhibited long before he chose to lay face down on the ground.

The officers offered to roll down the window and turn on the AC so he'd be comfortable if he would just get in the car. They also asked him to please calm down because they were concerned he was going to have a heart attack. Instead he chose to hurl himself face down on the concrete.

Should the officer have been more observant to make sure the criminal in his custody wasn't dying while they waited on the EMT? Yes. Should he be removed from service because someone died in his care that could have lived? Yes. Should we burn down the country or in any other way "honor" the criminal in question? Hell no.

There was another black man in the car with Floyd. He cooperated with police. He's alive.

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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I believe the officers were overcharged, but how long was Floyd motionless before the police officer got off of his neck? There is negligence there on the part of the one police officer.

Next week all 32 teams will get a piece of Solaimani to honor at their game

Honoring George Floyd?

What are they going to do? Read his rap sheet?
I don't think they have enough time to do that.

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4stringAg said:

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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I believe the officers were overcharged, but how long was Floyd motionless before the police officer got off of his neck? There is negligence there on the part of the one police officer.

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Perhaps.
Negligence doesn't imply murder though.
And even negligence will be hard to prove if George Floyds toxicology report shows that he might have died of an overdoes + if this is how police are instructed to keep non-cooperating perps down.

Just think about this: honoring a man through his family who put a loaded gun up to the stomach of a pregnant woman and who was loaded up on fentanyl and overdosed

You would think police are taking down random blacks as they come across them and brutally hurting them and killing them.

We live in a screwed up nation

You know if the police were out there killing innocent model citizens of the black community it would be a much different situation and I would be out there fighting along with them.

But these recent incidents are involving dead beat scum criminals and we as a nation are depicting them as if they were saints or great men of character and civic philanthropy

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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For what?

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Raising and supporting a piece of **** for a man I assume.

I can't imagine any LEO willing to work security for any nfl game, but particularly that one.