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Dr. Allecia Wilson, one of the pathologists who conducted the independent autopsy, said Monday afternoon that Floyd died as a result of mechanical asphyxiation.

But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." The manner of death was ruled homicide, but the office noted that "is not a legal determination of culpability or intent."

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That report was written and released before either the tox report or tissue sample analysis were complete.

As such, that conclusion can be shredded in court under cross examination.

The same people who demand bringing down statues of people who they deem were bad people, actively hold up and celebrate career criminals as if they are heroes.

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Dr. Allecia Wilson, one of the pathologists who conducted the independent autopsy, said Monday afternoon that Floyd died as a result of mechanical asphyxiation.

But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." The manner of death was ruled homicide, but the office noted that "is not a legal determination of culpability or intent."

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That report was written and released before either the tox report or tissue sample analysis were complete.

As such, that conclusion can be shredded in court under cross examination.

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give this a watch.

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For some reason, I don't see this ending well. Maybe I'm just a pessimist.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/vikings_to_recognize_family_of_george_floyd_before_week_1_game/s1_13132_32835284

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Maybe the Vikings are just looking for tackling dummies.

In his opinion. I bet you can find someone that says it does.

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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it's amazing how speculation turns into being stated as if it's fact. the dude was driving a car and walking around and talking. he wasn't overdosing.

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His autopsy says howdy.

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you misspelled homicide.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/

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George Floyd, the Minnesota man who died after an officer arresting him pressed his knee onto his neck, died by homicide, according to the results of two autopsies released on Monday one by the county medical examiner and the other by independent pathologists commissioned by Floyd's family. But the two autopsy reports differed on exactly how the man died.

Dr. Allecia Wilson, one of the pathologists who conducted the independent autopsy, said Monday afternoon that Floyd died as a result of mechanical asphyxiation.
But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." The manner of death was ruled homicide, but the office noted that "is not a legal determination of culpability or intent."

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"... is not a legal determination of culpability or intent." But it sure is a political one, just like charging the officers with first-degree murder before an investigation.

By the way isn't it interesting that he was murdered in two different ways - mechanical asphyxiation and cardiopulmonary arrest? Guess the cops should be charged twice.

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In his opinion. I bet you can find someone that says it does.

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i see you've watched the first ten seconds. impressive.

When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

And your video doesn't change what she said about the timeline

Already saw it. Doesn't fix the problems with the Baden autopsy report.

The ME also has an issue, admitting on May 31 after receipt of the tox report that had Floyd been in any other situation, he would have ruled it an accidental overdose. He's going to have a very hard time explaining that to a jury.

the cops are going to be freed because they are innocent.

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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it's amazing how speculation turns into being stated as if it's fact. the dude was driving a car and walking around and talking. he wasn't overdosing.

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Holy DA

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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You posted herp derp and then post this. Awesome.

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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I agree. You deserve better and need to leave.

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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aggiehawg is having one with you. Good luck.

Are they passing out fentanyl?

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Already saw it. Doesn't fix the problems with the Baden autopsy report.

The ME also has an issue, admitting on May 31 after receipt of the tox report that had Floyd been in any other situation, he would have ruled it an accidental overdose. He's going to have a very hard time explaining that to a jury.

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coming to the wrong conclusion because evidence wouldn't be available in a different situation doesn't eliminate the clear video evidence of him not exhibiting outward signs of overdose in this situation.

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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I agree. You deserve better and need to leave.

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i'm seriously considering it. it's legit terrible.

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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All according to the plan because of that left wing DA. That's exactly what the Marxists want.

the NFL and NBA are making it tough to choose which one I hate more.



It really is unbelievable to think the millions of people are honoring George Floyd as a damn hero.

Don't even get me started on this Jacob Blake guy.

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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I agree. You deserve better and need to leave.

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i'm seriously considering it. it's legit terrible.

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Bye

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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I agree. You deserve better and need to leave.

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i'm seriously considering it. it's legit terrible.

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please don't take this as at you. I'm in agreement. Political discussion in general has not benefitted me in many ways.

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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They aren't getting off of the charges. They may on appeal, but there isn't a court in the country with the balls to address this for what it is. The court of public opinion has spoken.

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Already saw it. Doesn't fix the problems with the Baden autopsy report.

The ME also has an issue, admitting on May 31 after receipt of the tox report that had Floyd been in any other situation, he would have ruled it an accidental overdose. He's going to have a very hard time explaining that to a jury.

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coming to the wrong conclusion because evidence wouldn't be available in a different situation doesn't eliminate the clear video evidence of him not exhibiting outward signs of overdose in this situation.

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its kind of like a car crash where someone is killed by a drunk driver. Do we blame the drunk driver (george floyd dying by OD, with the help of him resisting arrest), or do we blame the car (police, for doing what was forced on them to do)

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Already saw it. Doesn't fix the problems with the Baden autopsy report.

The ME also has an issue, admitting on May 31 after receipt of the tox report that had Floyd been in any other situation, he would have ruled it an accidental overdose. He's going to have a very hard time explaining that to a jury.

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coming to the wrong conclusion because evidence wouldn't be available in a different situation doesn't eliminate the clear video evidence of him not exhibiting outward signs of overdose in this situation.

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Have you watched the entire 40 minutes of body cam footage? Because Floyd was complaining he couldn't breathe nearly from the get-go when he was standing up and only hand cuffed. He was acting erratic and resisting arrest. Knocked his head against the partition in the squad car cutting his lip.

There were no injuries to his neck, trachea and he was easily intubated when the EMS finally arrived after being called twice. Why is it the officer's fault that the EMS got lost? So did the firefighters responding to the call. Dispatch sent them to the wrong location.

Floyd had overdosed before and taken to the hospital where they revived him.

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So George dies of a fatal overdose that happens in police custody and his family gets honored.

things are going to explode when those officers get off on the charges.

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They aren't getting off of the charges. They may on appeal, but there isn't a court in the country with the balls to address this for what it is. The court of public opinion has spoken.

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All it takes is one juror for a hung jury.

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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I agree. You deserve better and need to leave.

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i'm seriously considering it. it's legit terrible.

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No you won't you will make a show of it, leave, create a sock and come right back.

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Already saw it. Doesn't fix the problems with the Baden autopsy report.

The ME also has an issue, admitting on May 31 after receipt of the tox report that had Floyd been in any other situation, he would have ruled it an accidental overdose. He's going to have a very hard time explaining that to a jury.

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coming to the wrong conclusion because evidence wouldn't be available in a different situation doesn't eliminate the clear video evidence of him not exhibiting outward signs of overdose in this situation.

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Have you watched the entire 40 minutes of body cam footage? Because Floyd was complaining he couldn't breathe nearly from the get-go when he was standing up and only hand cuffed. He was acting erratic and resisting arrest. Knocked his head against the partition in the squad car cutting his lip.

There were no injuries to his neck, trachea and he was easily intubated when the EMS finally arrived after being called twice. Why is it the officer's fault that the EMS got lost? So did the firefighters responding to the call. Dispatch sent them to the wrong location.

Floyd had overdosed before and taken to the hospital where they revived him.

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listen, i'm fine with saying that it is a murky situation and at trial all the evidence can be laid out plainly.

but the original post i replied to stated plainly that he died of an overdose and made no mention of the police officers' role in his death.

can we agree that that is a bad take?

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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this board used to be a place to have a decent discussion. what a mess.

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I agree. You deserve better and need to leave.

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i'm seriously considering it. it's legit terrible.

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No you won't you will make a show of it, leave, create a sock and come right back.

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i don't create socks. i've had the same username since 2004.

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We are living in Bizarro World.

It's hard to even care anymore when things are this stupid every day. Amazing.

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And just think, these are the people who are taking control of the nation.

I'm ready for Sodom type fire and brimstone to rain down.

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When it starts with in my opinion I won't watch. I will wait for the trial before I call them murderers.

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We are discussing. You are just wrong this time.

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No, I can't agree that's a bad take. I analyze the evidence as to whether it supports the actual charges and if that evidence reaches beyond a reasonable doubt standard. The evidence does not support the required elements of the charges as they stand now.

Listen, I was just as angry and upset at the 8 minute video as the next person and thought Chauvin had used excessive force. Within a few days of his death, the Hennepin County DA was giving a presser alongside the US Attorney. At that time the DA stated the investigation was not complete but he wasn't sure there would be any charges. He had seen the prelim autopsy and the body cam footage before saying that.

At the time I was shocked that he said it while Minneapolis was still burning. Even if he had serious doubts about the case, don't express them under those circumstances. It was shortly thereafter that AG Ellison swooped in and took the cases away from the DA.

Ellison was pandering when he vastly overcharged Chauvin and then scrambled to find some tenuous at best charges against the other officers.

There is vastly more exculpatory evidence than there is incriminating evidence other than the viral video. Problem is the medical evidence doesn't support what we all thought we were seeing on the video.

Defense counsel can blow a hole the size of an 18 wheeler in the prosecution's case. The prosecution witnesses have already had credibility problems. Baden with a malpractice level of an autopsy before the tox report or tissue analysis was complete and the ME with the admission that he would rule the manner of death as accidental overdose. That was on a conference call and then written up in a memo to the file before Ellison filed the charges.