All of that to say that black culture in the US is broken. It favors athletes and musicians but seemingly discourages all other paths to personal success as "acting white". Instead it pushes a narrative that black people should look to government to provide for them. How on earth getting an education, working hard and treating others with respect became a bad thing I'll never know but that's apparently where black America is.

Like Chris Rock said, "Want to hide you money? Put it in your books!"

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Identity politics is at 'Full steam ahead' in America. Obama bent to the pressure from the left and used it. Trump launched his political career with it with Birtherism. The man's story is not surprising. Tribalism is part of our nature. It's a tough thing for our species to overcome.

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Hillary Clinton is genesis for this.

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Sorry, but the accusation was around before her 2008 run and she did not use it Nor does it change the fact that Trump promoted it for years, all the way up till a month? before the 2016 election.

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Her campaign and supporters did.

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Not really. White identity politics doesnt play well on the left, go figure.

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Two questions for you:

1. What is your tie to Texas A&M?
2. Is posting here part of your job in the political arena?

In a society experiencing significant racial civil unrest, these things will happen. His kids will be forced to choose a side eventually because it's clear that it's not slowing down at all and in fact is probably speeding up. I have noticed a large growing number of people speaking about these issues in private.

It sucks for the kids but we're not going to be able to avoid these things. The country that this guy wants is a fantasy land that will never happen because there has never been a color blind country in the history of the world.

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21/ Newly desiring to feel the wound, but not able to authentically experience it due to a life of untroubled privilege, she's living vicariously through her kids, trying to inflict the wound upon them. Maybe if she can't be an authentically wounded black person, they can?

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Empathy is an emotion that takes effort by definition: the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

To genuinely feel "empathy" for someone who has experienced racism should be a rare experience. I would assume that it would require, at a minimum 1) in-depth conversations with someone who experienced it, and/or 2) being a witness to real racism, and 3) some level of discernment.

#s 1 and 2 take real time and genuine experience. You can't just watch the news and get upset, Karen. You have to see it and have a good understanding of what it feels like. #3, I think, is critical and comes out of the process that leads to genuine empathy. Karens struggle with this. It seems the woman described in the OP struggles with this. Lebron and a long list of athletes, media and others struggle with this. And they are the ones ruining any form of progress against REAL racism. The end result is still one group vs. another. Everyone is antagonistic.

But it's easier to try and say TRUMP is the source. A single man, with all of his...uh...racist statements and policies?...that he's pushing on everyone makes the country racist...I guess.

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My first thought on that tweet.......pure bullsheet!

My second thought on that tweet........absolutely pure, unadulterated made up bullsheet!

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If it is, the guy is a master at the long con. I've been following him for awhile. He doesn't always mention his wife but he has been pretty consistent about the story as it has progressed over the past few months.

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I'd recommend to not buy his work of fiction when it's published!

Bullet point 1 should be bullet point 2 for flow. Maybe his editor will catch that sequence of events.

My last thought is that it is still bullsheet!

Their marriage is over anyway, so he should be countering what his wife says in front of their kids, and hoping they eventually realize there are two sides to this.

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Their marriage is over anyway, so he should be countering what his wife says in front of their kids, and hoping they eventually realize there are two sides to this.

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She's teaching her kids to be estranged from their dad because he is white.

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Their marriage is over anyway, so he should be countering what his wife says in front of their kids, and hoping they eventually realize there are two sides to this.

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She's teaching her kids to be estranged from their dad because he is white.

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This. There is a high probability that she was already done with the marriage and the wokeness was part of the exit strategy.

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1. He needs a good lawyer

2. Latinos and Asians have to be laughing their asses off at white and black people right now

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Sad to say, but latinos under 35 or so in the big cities seem to be WOKE AF. That has been my observation here in Houston. There are obviously plenty of exceptions, but young latinos seem to have been indoctrinated in general and it's sad and frustrating.

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Their marriage is over anyway, so he should be countering what his wife says in front of their kids, and hoping they eventually realize there are two sides to this.

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This. If this is real, their marriage is toast. He needs to be introducing them to facts and logic and critical thinking before it is too late.

His wife is cheating on him.

pro-tip: marry a Latina!

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pro-tip: marry a Latina!

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That's just a different flavor of crazy. A spicier flavor.

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pro-tip: marry a Latina!

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That's just a different flavor of crazy. A spicier flavor.

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True but the make up sex is worth it

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That's just a different flavor of crazy. A spicier flavor.

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True but the make up sex is worth it

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Plus you know going in to it what you're up against, so you can plan exit strategies for situations that will, undoubtedly arise.

If you aren't living with a little fear from your partner, is it really worth it?

This story starts off just like mine.

I married my wife this April. She is black. She grew up in Austin suburbs. Her parents grew up in segregated America and managed to make a good life for themselves. My wife has a Masters Degree from tu and is a CPA at a major company. She gets called things like "the whitest black girl you'll ever meet" and other inappropriate things like that from time to time. She's always voted Republican but I wouldn't consider her a right winger.

When George Floyd happened, she seemed to start to identify more with her blackness and soaked in some of the attention she was getting from her friends, coworkers, etc. She recalled stories her parents had told her from the 50s and she had a good cry relaying them to me. She started to feel guilty that she had grown up "privileged" in the suburbs and didn't have to deal with racism the way that so many people on TV were saying they did. She didn't believe me when I said most of the anti-racism work in this country had already been achieved in the Civil Rights movement and that blacks have as many opportunities as any in this country.



But this is where my story diverges from the one in the OP. I laid low for a few weeks and let emotions cool. Then I showed her the new Uncle Tom documentary about black political issues from a conservative perspective. We were able to have great discussions. I let the black people on the movie make my points for me. We talked about some biblical perspectives on these issues. She now knows that BLM is a radical Marxist organization and that the issues in the black community are not as simple as "well white people are holding us down."

I think we've made tons of progress. Here's hoping this guy on Twitter will find the same success. I think his language of "inheriting the wound" is brilliant. Why pass that down? That does absolutely nothing but harm.

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This story starts off just like mine.

I married my wife this April. She is black. She grew up in Austin suburbs. Her parents grew up in segregated America and managed to make a good life for themselves. My wife has a Masters Degree from tu and is a CPA at Dell. She gets called things like "the whitest black girl you'll ever meet" and other inappropriate things like that from time to time. She's always voted Republican but I wouldn't consider her a right winger.

When George Floyd happened, she seemed to start to identify more with her blackness and soaked in some of the attention she was getting from her friends, coworkers, etc. She recalled stories her parents had told her from the 50s and she had a good cry relaying them to me. She started to feel guilty that she had grown up "privileged" in the suburbs and didn't have to deal with racism the way that so many people on TV were saying they did. She didn't believe me when I said most of the anti-racism work in this country had already been achieved in the Civil Rights movement and that blacks have as many opportunities as any in this country.



But this is where my story diverges from the one in the OP. I laid low for a few weeks and let emotions cool. Then I showed her the new Uncle Tom documentary about black political issues from a conservative perspective. We were able to have great discussions. I let the black people on the movie make my points for me. We talked about some biblical perspectives on these issues. She now knows that BLM is a radical Marxist organization and that the issues in the black community are not as simple as "well white people are holding us down."

I think we've made tons of progress. Here's hoping this guy on Twitter will find the same success. I think his language of "inheriting the wound" is brilliant. Why pass that down? That does absolutely nothing but harm.

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This is HUGE. Our God-given-rights and equality under God create common ground. If you don't see others as God's creation whom he loves but is also flawed (just like yourself) - it becomes infinitely easier to subdivide as oppressed vs oppressor and see skin color as opposed to character.

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I think his language of "inheriting the wound" is brilliant. Why pass that down? That does absolutely nothing but harm.

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I've heard many opinions on this. It does seem to me that it is embedded in part of a version of "black culture". That some blacks share. One where your cultural identity is founded in this notion of embracing the pain and hurt of oppression and constantly being in survival mode.

If that is all their generations of family have known for a hundred plus years, it would make sense that it is a tricky aspect of their culture to remove.

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That guy is screwed. He needs to do everything he can to get his kids out now. Good luck being as the justice system basically tells dads to pound sand when they try to get custody of their kids.

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Absolutely this. He needs to DTB to save himself and the kids.

Disagree about the justice system part, from what I've read a lot of the time the dad is the one who leaves and the kids stay. Then months later when it's time to settle that part out the kids are already established with mom, the judge is reluctant to change things up, and there you have it. Big part of why I insisted on the kids staying with me during my divorce.

I'm worn out after reading that .

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2. Latinos and Asians have to be laughing their asses off at white and black people right now

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FIFY. They are cheaper and a permanent solution

When I was at the 3rd protest, I spent about 30 minutes talking to the young man from Bryan who was there because he was raised to fear white people. I got his and 3 of his amigos attention because I shared how I had two black sons with special needs.

At the end he asked me if I would be ok with my black sons going and hanging out with all those racist old white men. I told him my sons would be comfortable with people from either group and I would trust those ole age with my kids.

It did make me understand that this is about fear. The hatred is caused because they are taught to fear white people. The rage is from being taught that white people don't just hate them but are actively trying to keep them down.

I feel for this father of mixed race children. (The guy who does not believe this is like me before that conversation). I fear for all my children as society is telling them to hate themselves (if they are white, double if male and white) or that their white siblings are out to get them. All of them know that's crap but even now my oldest has gone full SJW and stopped trying to reason with me when I told her that identity politics was racist.

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1/ Woke anti-racism is child abuse.
My family is living the antithesis of @thomaschattwill's Self Portrait in Black and White. And I fear it may damage my children irrevocably.
Let me explain

2/ I'm white, my wife's black. When we met, we "saw each other's race," but we didn't think that was the most interesting thing about us. We foolishly thought our children would be part of a post-racial future, in which all Americans could just be human beings to one another.

3/ Then came Trump. I decided I should try to learn more about my fellow citizens, who I now realized were completely opaque to me. In contrast, my wife decided she was at war with an immutably white supremacist America.

4/ My wife began to read authors like Nikole Hannah Jones and Michael Harriot. She had a "racial awakening," concluding that she'd been "inauthentically black" all her life.

5/ My wife came to think that her mindtrained in exclusive private schools and in two Ivy League institutions for a BA and a PhDhad been "colonized." She's come to think she owes her success to being "the right kind" of black woman...

6/ ...an inauthentic and "white-acting" black woman who is "non-threatening" to "white spaces." Most disturbing, she's reinterpreted her 5 decades of lifein which she only ever had one very mild story of a microaggressionas a history of brutal, grinding racial oppression.

7/ Deep beneath her inauthentic "white" acculturation is an oppressed black woman, struggling for freedom. This is what racial grievance entrepreneurs like NHJ have done to my wife's mind. What she's doing, in turn, to the minds of our small children makes my blood run cold.

8/ My wife is teaching our children that America hates them and wants to kill them b/c they're black. Rather than take the birth of our childrenambiguous, innocent, raceless little creaturesas an opportunity to rethink the oppressive American race ideology...

9/ ...and not hand it down to a new generation, my wife got "woke" after Trump and doubled down on anti-racist racial essentialism. Here are three hair-raising stories.

10/ First story: she regularly explains to our kids that the police want to kill black people. Blacks are people police like to kill, and always have been. They will keep using the pretext that they get "scared" when unarmed black people reach into cars, like Jacob Blake...

11/ ...or steal police tasers, like Rayshard Brooks, as long as using that pretext allows them to keep killing black people w/ impunity. That's what she told our children, who by plantation logic, are among the black population that the police go out hoping to kill every day.

12/ Second story: she told our kids that Kyle Rittenhouse, like so many whites, hates black people and wants to kill black people, so he went to a BLM protest and opened fire. When I asked, in a neutral way, why she thought Rittenhouse had shot those people, she became upset...

13/ ...and stormed out of the house, not to return for 3 hours. The "obvious" answer is that Rittenhouse is a white supremacist (I don't think she even knows that he shot only white people). Any probing beyond this self-evident axiom is too triggering to indulge.

13a/ (BTW I have no defense of Rittenhouse, a confused, stupid kid, whose foolishness and apparent criminal behavior led to his needless killing of two people.)

14/ Third story: We drove by a poster that said "Ahmaud" w/ a pic of Arbery. Daughter: "Who's that?" Wife: "That's a black man who was killed." My 7-yr-old daughter, now trained to think white people hate and want to kill black people like her, went straight to the inference...

15/ "Oh, so they killed him because they hate black people?"

My daughter needed no further information to infer that a black man who had been killed was killed because "they hate black people."

16/ This is bad enough, but what's worse is that my wife is training her to see herself as one of these universally hated black people, whom everyone wants to kill. Let the implications of that for my girl's soul, for the ease with which she will encounter her world, sink in.

17/ My wife wants her to "inherit the wound," as I've heard @thomaschattwill say, when she should inherit nothing but joy, love, and a sense of her own endless potential in a world that will reward her for her beauty and brilliance, not punish her for "hatred" of her blackness.

18/ Why does my wife want our kids to "inherit the wound"? I suspect it's because, due to her parents' successes, who fought the Civil Rights battles of the '60s and became a surgeon & a teacher, she never inherited the wound herself, and has come to feel "inauthentically black."

19/ After all, NHJ and Coates are always telling her how traumatized she should be just because she's black in America. So, she has come to believe that only when she viscerally feels the wound that all black people are supposed to feel, will she herself be "authentic."

20/ My wife's father told me he's glad his daughter, and Obama too, come from the post-Civil Rights generation, because they did not acquire his "black rage." This is why Obama could be elected, he said, and why race was never important to his daughter, my wife ...till now.

21/ Newly desiring to feel the wound, but not able to authentically experience it due to a life of untroubled privilege, she's living vicariously through her kids, trying to inflict the wound upon them. Maybe if she can't be an authentically wounded black person, they can?

22/ Like a father who pushes his son into sports in which he could not excel himself, she's pushing her children into a racial grievance that she has read about in books and in the NYTimes but has never had a chance to experience for herself.

23/ The only viable alternative to this child abuse that I've seen is in the writing of @thomaschattwill. The alternative my 80-year-old father-in-law offered is as bad as my wife's plan. He said he's happy his grandkids will identify as white, so they will never have to feel...

24/...the sense of inherent worthlessness compared to whites that he felt coming of age in the Jim Crow south. His revelation of his own wound saddened me immeasurably. This proud surgeon's scars bears witness to the country America used to be.

25/ But my father-in-law's solutiona binary solution, and the only one this black man from another era could come up withis as bad as my wife's. I don't want my children to identify as white any more than as black.

26/ I want them to be deeply aware of the complex and difficult, but also often beautiful, histories behind their parental lineages. But I pray they identify into neither blackness nor whiteness, for each of these legacies is heavy, the one with pain and the other with guilt.

27/ I want them to be the generation that at last transcends the limiting and soul-destroying American "skin game." I want them not to identify but to empathize deeply with all the complexities of their heritage, without being limited by the trauma and shame it would impose.

28/ To me, that's how we can at last become simply fellow citizens, simply fellow humans, to one another.

So, I'm in this for the long game, a game in which my wife, with her racial-essentialism agenda, has as yet no real idea that she has an opponent.

29/ I'm committed to mitigating the effects of what I see as her child abuse where I can, until our kids are old enough to read for themselves @thomaschattwill, @cvaldary, ...

30/ ...and other thoughtful writers who come from a place of love and healing of our ancient and needless racial wounds.

The Roman author and former slave Terence said 2000 years ago: "I am human: I suppose nothing human to be alien to me."

Words we have yet to live up to.

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MK Ultra at work with his wife. Such a sad situation.

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I can't imagine wanting to stay married to a psychopath like that.

But, I'd also be terrified of losing my connection to my children because this woman's craziness combined with the typically anti-male default setting in family court could completely estrange this man from his children.

The idea of the wound is intriguing. The left claims to want to unite the county and end division. That's is literary the definition of healing a wound. It closes. Her fathers generation closed the wound to the extent that she didn't have to experience it. Now she wants to open the wound, never let it close, and pass it down. If that's the goal, so be it, but she can't state that the wound was held open or caused by whites. If that was true she wouldn't have had to reopen it.

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Dave Chappelle cancelling his own show, and the subsequent rise of the Daily Show, has killed America's millennial youth.

The satire skit, "When keeping it real goes wrong" would have shown this wife that she is an imbecile. The "racial draft" and "reparations" and many others did more to ease racial tensions than any HR training possible.

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Probably the biggest thing that led Chappelle to walk away was him coming to believe that by reaching such a large audience with that show he was ultimately inviting and encouraging white people to believe in the stereotypes he was portraying and laugh at them, rather than reaching an audience of people who shared his experiences and would laugh with him at the falseness of the stereotypes. In other words, Chappelle had an experience that mirrored the lady in the OP in terms of coming to believe that he was being inauthentic and selling out his people by presenting himself as a version of a black man that white people found palatable.

Which, incidentally, is very much what the Vernon Franklin installment of "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" is all about. The black executive guy gets fed up with never being allowed to forget that he is black and just be treated the same as anyone else, but also having to disguise the authentic version of the culture he came up in and be a version of a black guy that is fun and nonthreatening to the white people around him. When he can't keep up the charade and lets the mask slip one day, he is expelled from that world and loses everything.

You looking at that and just seeing Vernon as the butt of the joke without understanding what Chappelle was seeing, experiencing, and trying to comment on is exactly why he came to think that his show was doing more harm than good.

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Dave Chappelle cancelling his own show, and the subsequent rise of the Daily Show, has killed America's millennial youth.

The satire skit, "When keeping it real goes wrong" would have shown this wife that she is an imbecile. The "racial draft" and "reparations" and many others did more to ease racial tensions than any HR training possible.

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Probably the biggest thing that led Chappelle to walk away was him coming to believe that by reaching such a large audience with that show he was ultimately inviting and encouraging white people to believe in the stereotypes he was portraying and laugh at them, rather than reaching an audience of people who shared his experiences and would laugh with him at the falseness of the stereotypes. In other words, Chappelle had an experience that mirrored the lady in the OP in terms of coming to believe that he was being inauthentic and selling out his people by presenting himself as a version of a black man that white people found palatable.

Which, incidentally, is very much what the Vernon Franklin installment of "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" is all about. The black executive guy gets fed up with never being allowed to forget that he is black and just be treated the same as anyone else, but also having to disguise the authentic version of the culture he came up in and be a version of a black guy that is fun and nonthreatening to the white people around him. When he can't keep up the charade and lets the mask slip one day, he is expelled from that world and loses everything.

You looking at that and just seeing Vernon as the butt of the joke without understanding what Chappelle was seeing, experiencing, and trying to comment on is exactly why he came to think that his show was doing more harm than good.

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Chappell said that would bother him most was that the writers were white and became way too comfortable writing those skits.

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The idea of the wound is intriguing. The left claims to want to unite the county and end division. That's is literary the definition of healing a wound. It closes. Her fathers generation closed the wound to the extent that she didn't have to experience it. Now she wants to open the wound, never let it close, and pass it down. If that's the goal, so be it, but she can't state that the wound was held open or caused by whites. If that was true she wouldn't have had to reopen it.

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I think the black people that have undergone this transition from non wound having to wound having go through a paradigm shift in which they now see all interactions with whites throughout their past to actually have been racist, it's just that they didn't recognize it. They gave white people the benefit of the doubt, but all along, white people really hated them when they were not in their view.

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That's just a different flavor of crazy. A spicier flavor.

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True but the make up sex is worth it

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That dude isn't getting anywhere near it anymore. I'm sure she's found someone more 'authentic' on the side.

Lana is going to kill Archer when she finds out he tweeted this.

Danger Zone!

"White husband watches his black wife "go woke"."

Anybody else glance at this thread title and have a TOTALLY different topic first come to mind?

I would divorce her, yesterday.

She sounds too far gone to try and fix.

So, BLM is re-educating a generation. Where have I heard that before?

Sounds like the husband needs to find his balls and learn to be the leader of his family.