How is this news? We've known for months that COVID is a yuge problem for olds and fats.

This pisses me off beyond belief. Everyone of the m-fers involved in this hoax should face jail time

So 160k reported Covid deaths. 9,600 related to Covid.

Yeah the flu is worse.

Pinche Guero said:

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Seems like a treadmill is more effective than a mask

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A walk out in the sunlight would be a better choice.

It has been shown that ultraviolet light kills or neutralizes this virus.

You know what is going to piss us off next month? The end of the fiscal year when the CDC has to expend all of those extra funds they were allocated or lose them for next year.

Tramp96 said:

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Pinche Guero said:

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Seems like a treadmill is more effective than a mask

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A walk out in the sunlight would be a better choice.

It has been shown that ultraviolet light kills or neutralizes this virus.

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I'm half ginger, that doesn't seem like healthy advice at all

Bull*****

[url] https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/shock-report-week-cdc-quietly-updated-covid-19-numbers-9210-americans-died-covid-19-alone-rest-serious-illnesses/[/url]

I don't know what source Nate09 used, but https://episphere.github.io/mortalitytracker/#cause=allcause&state=All%20States
is a nice visualization of the CDC data on excess deaths. Click the "Calculate additional mortality**; " box to see the excess mortality.

It takes a while for the data to come in, so the last data they consider close to complete is for July 28. At that time, US excess deaths for the year were over 217.9K

Umm pay your cobra, then move to Medicaid if you are in dire financial difficulties.

It's like 2009 all over again

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Don't disagree. This is just not breaking news. We have known this from the get-go. The media just has not stressed this so they can promote fear.

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I noticed your posting history is filled with posts on the coronabro board.
Now that the truth about the farce is out you poke your head up over here trying to continue the farce at all costs. How many lives and livelihoods are you willing to destroy because of your agenda. I bet if you looked at influenza that disproportionately affect the elderly you would find in most deaths additional underlying causes. At this point this is a criminal action undertaken by anyone who continues to promote this lie.

They also state that the average COVID related death had 2.6 comorbidities.

Very obviously a hoax.

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Are you talking about the uninsured? If so, then yes. End EMTALA. Even that is not a death panel. That is providing a service to those that can afford it or those that have jumped through the governmental hoops to qualify for insurance.

I would make an exception for juveniles but if you are not on Medicaid, insurance, or can pay directly you have made a choice and should suffer the consequences.

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What if you are laid off of work through no fault of your own and lose your employer based health insurance and the only jobs you can find during a recession don't offer health insurance. Do you get axed by the death panel then too?

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Buy it on the exchange. I am self employed and pay $2K a month. If you chose not to buy it, you better head to the free clinic.

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And if you ever get to where you can't afford to buy it at $2K per month, do we just let you die too?

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1) demand an end to insurance tied to employers.
2) make it ALL privatized.
3) force insurance companies to compete across state lines
4) end government mandated coverages so people can choose whatever coverage they want.
5) allow insurers to charge more based on risk factors like with car insurance.
6) grandfather everyone with preexisting conditions in for 1 year, meaning that insurers cannot deny coverage if the person did not previously have coverage, but they are allowed to out individuals with preexisting conditions into higher risk pools.
7) End the mandate that hospitals stabilize everyone regardless of ability to pay
8) Last one- A) to obtain fast treatment at an ER you can get a certificate like with car insurance showing you have at least 10k in savings which guarantees you treatment in an ER.
OR
B) Included in medicaid everyone gets access to lifesaving emergency care- meaning you get stabilized, bones set, etc but not long term treatment like cancer, etc. for being a US citizen. But with this medicaid gets changed so that it is lifesaving, emergency treatment only....no ongoing palliative treatment for anything. emergency drugs like antibiotics are covered, but things like chemo, insulin, etc are not.

Ags4DaWin said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Are you talking about the uninsured? If so, then yes. End EMTALA. Even that is not a death panel. That is providing a service to those that can afford it or those that have jumped through the governmental hoops to qualify for insurance.

I would make an exception for juveniles but if you are not on Medicaid, insurance, or can pay directly you have made a choice and should suffer the consequences.

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What if you are laid off of work through no fault of your own and lose your employer based health insurance and the only jobs you can find during a recession don't offer health insurance. Do you get axed by the death panel then too?

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Buy it on the exchange. I am self employed and pay $2K a month. If you chose not to buy it, you better head to the free clinic.

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And if you ever get to where you can't afford to buy it at $2K per month, do we just let you die too?

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1) demand an end to insurance tied to employers.
2) make it ALL privatized.
3) force insurance companies to compete across state lines
4) end government mandated coverages so people can choose whatever coverage they want.
5) allow insurers to charge more based on risk factors like with car insurance.
6) grandfather everyone with preexisting conditions in for 1 year, meaning that insurers cannot deny coverage if the person did not previously have coverage, but they are allowed to out individuals with preexisting conditions into higher risk pools.
7) End the mandate that hospitals stabilize everyone regardless of ability to pay
8) Last one- A) to obtain fast treatment at an ER you can get a certificate like with car insurance showing you have at least 10k in savings which guarantees you treatment in an ER.
OR
B) Included in medicaid everyone gets access to lifesaving emergency care- meaning you get stabilized, bones set, etc but not long term treatment like cancer, etc. for being a US citizen. But with this medicaid gets changed so that it is lifesaving, emergency treatment only....no ongoing palliative treatment for anything. emergency drugs like antibiotics are covered, but things like chemo, insulin, etc are not.

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Just to clarify with #5 are you saying that if you get diagnosed say with breast cancer, that the following year they can raise your premium rate making it unaffordable. Then when you can't pay they can kick you off coverage. Going forward in order to back on to some sort of coverage with a health insurance company they can exclude coverage for breast cancer care as a pre-existing condition?

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Aggies2009 said:

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death."

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That likely means 6% had no underlying conditions.


The other 94% the death certificate might look something like this where you list other contributing factors...

1. COVID
2. Asthma or COPD
3. Coronary Artery Disease
4. Type 2 Diabetes
5. Hypertension
6. Obesity

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7. Eatin by a shark
8. Suicide
9. Murdered
10. Car accident
11. Plane crash
12. Drowned
13. Drug Overdose
14. Eatin by a lion
15. Fell off a cliff
16. Skydiving accident

Ags4DaWin said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Are you talking about the uninsured? If so, then yes. End EMTALA. Even that is not a death panel. That is providing a service to those that can afford it or those that have jumped through the governmental hoops to qualify for insurance.

I would make an exception for juveniles but if you are not on Medicaid, insurance, or can pay directly you have made a choice and should suffer the consequences.

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What if you are laid off of work through no fault of your own and lose your employer based health insurance and the only jobs you can find during a recession don't offer health insurance. Do you get axed by the death panel then too?

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Buy it on the exchange. I am self employed and pay $2K a month. If you chose not to buy it, you better head to the free clinic.

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And if you ever get to where you can't afford to buy it at $2K per month, do we just let you die too?

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1) demand an end to insurance tied to employers. And if employers give employees additional compensation
to buy insurance it is taxed just like the rest of us. The employee then goes into the marketplace and buys their own insurance, I guarantee you that costs will come down!
2) make it ALL privatized.
3) force insurance companies to compete across state lines
4) end government mandated coverages so people can choose whatever coverage they want.
5) allow insurers to charge more based on risk factors like with car insurance.
6) grandfather everyone with preexisting conditions in for 1 year, meaning that insurers cannot deny coverage if the person did not previously have coverage, but they are allowed to out individuals with preexisting conditions into higher risk pools.
7) End the mandate that hospitals stabilize everyone regardless of ability to pay
8) Last one- A) to obtain fast treatment at an ER you can get a certificate like with car insurance showing you have at least 10k in savings which guarantees you treatment in an ER.
OR
B) Included in medicaid everyone gets access to lifesaving emergency care- meaning you get stabilized, bones set, etc but not long term treatment like cancer, etc. for being a US citizen. But with this medicaid gets changed so that it is lifesaving, emergency treatment only....no ongoing palliative treatment for anything. emergency drugs like antibiotics are covered, but things like chemo, insulin, etc are not.

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FIFY

We are being royally screwed and played right before our very eyes.

Coronabros are getting very scared....

rgag12 said:

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Coronabros are getting very scared....

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Their wet dream is beginning to be exposed

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

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AgE Doc said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death."

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That likely means 6% had no underlying conditions.


The other 94% the death certificate might look something like this where you list other contributing factors...

1. COVID
2. Asthma or COPD
3. Coronary Artery Disease
4. Type 2 Diabetes
5. Hypertension
6. Obesity

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7. Eatin by a shark
8. Suicide
9. Murdered
10. Car accident
11. Plane crash
12. Drowned
13. Drug Overdose
14. Eatin by a lion
15. Fell off a cliff
16. Skydiving accident

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Don't forget...
17. MS-13
18. Antifa
19. Joe Scarborough
20. Ted Cruz's Dad

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Because it's flat out wrong?

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The title and OP aren't wrong, unless you can show otherwise. A lot of people are running with it to say only 6% died of COVID instead of only 6% died of only COVID, which is wrong.

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Yeah 94% died of COVID BECAUSE OF (on average 2.6) other things.

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FIFY

I'll just let my signature speak for itself.

The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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Yep, the longer we **** around like this the closer we get to inducing a depression. You can't destroy as much of the economy as we're doing without effects spreading elsewhere.

AggieZUUL said:

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Fauci and Birx have some answering to do.

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Not for this, they don't.

100M+ Americans have at least one of the conditions listed.

Point the finger at ourselves.

BenColderHere said:

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AggieZUUL said:

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Fauci and Birx have some answering to do.

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Not for this, they don't.

100M+ Americans have at least one of the conditions listed.

Point the finger at ourselves.

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For what? Being duped?

amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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OK. Open the ****ing schools. Now. One of the costs absolutely does not have to be an uptick in adolescent suicides, depression, and anxiety.

Agree. Open up everything.

Any idea how this compares to deaths w/ comorbidities for the flu?

I would imagine that would also be in the 80-90% range.

Simple math skills are needed. Similarly, why refer to an implication when the facts are simple.

You seem like an intentional troll... Or at least that is the implication...

BadMoonRisin said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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OK. Open the ****ing schools. Now. One of the costs absolutely does not have to be an uptick in adolescent suicides, depression, and anxiety.

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My granddaughter will be a junior in high school this year and was just over and I was asking her about their start date, the procedures, etc. She told me if anyone tests positive for the chinese flu, they and those they came in contact with, have to be quarantined at home for 14 days. That would one thing for the lower grades where they stay with the same 20 or so kids all day, but for grades in which they wind up being in class with 100 or more different kids, it won't take much before everyone is at home.