amercer said:

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Because it's flat out wrong?

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rudy99 said:

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amercer said:

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The implication that 96% of the deaths weren't caused by Covid.

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Did you even read it? I clearly says comorbidities.

Covid + something else=94%

Covid+ nothing = 6%

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GAC06 said:

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amercer said:

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Because it's flat out wrong?

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The title and OP aren't wrong, unless you can show otherwise. A lot of people are running with it to say only 6% died of COVID instead of only 6% died of only COVID, which is wrong.

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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rudy99 said:

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RandyAg98 said:

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We have known all along that those with underlying conditions (hypertension, obesity, diabetes, etc.) were the vast majority of those who have serious issues with this virus. What exactly is the breaking news here?

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The fact that the CDC is actually admitting that the virus was not a deadly as they made it out to be? Perhaps it carries the same death rate as more common illness? Perhaps is the CDC (and main stream media) scored the flu the same at the rona we would see similar patterns?

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AgE Doc said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death."

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That likely means 6% had no underlying conditions.


The other 94% the death certificate might look something like this where you list other contributing factors...

1. COVID
2. Asthma or COPD
3. Coronary Artery Disease
4. Type 2 Diabetes
5. Hypertension
6. Obesity

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Wheatables02 said:

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AgE Doc said:

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Aggies2009 said:

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death."

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That likely means 6% had no underlying conditions.


The other 94% the death certificate might look something like this where you list other contributing factors...

1. COVID
2. Asthma or COPD
3. Coronary Artery Disease
4. Type 2 Diabetes
5. Hypertension
6. Obesity

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I thought ashtma was removed from being a comorbidity or underlying risk?

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Are you talking about the uninsured? If so, then yes. End EMTALA. Even that is not a death panel. That is providing a service to those that can afford it or those that have jumped through the governmental hoops to qualify for insurance.

I would make an exception for juveniles but if you are not on Medicaid, insurance, or can pay directly you have made a choice and should suffer the consequences.

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Are you talking about the uninsured? If so, then yes. End EMTALA. Even that is not a death panel. That is providing a service to those that can afford it or those that have jumped through the governmental hoops to qualify for insurance.

I would make an exception for juveniles but if you are not on Medicaid, insurance, or can pay directly you have made a choice and should suffer the consequences.

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What if you are laid off of work through no fault of your own and lose your employer based health insurance and the only jobs you can find during a recession don't offer health insurance. Do you get axed by the death panel then too?

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Are you talking about the uninsured? If so, then yes. End EMTALA. Even that is not a death panel. That is providing a service to those that can afford it or those that have jumped through the governmental hoops to qualify for insurance.

I would make an exception for juveniles but if you are not on Medicaid, insurance, or can pay directly you have made a choice and should suffer the consequences.

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What if you are laid off of work through no fault of your own and lose your employer based health insurance and the only jobs you can find during a recession don't offer health insurance. Do you get axed by the death panel then too?

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Buy it on the exchange. I am self employed and pay $2K a month. If you chose not to buy it, you better head to the free clinic.

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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AgE Doc said:

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The_Fox said:

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amercer said:

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The_Fox said:

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Past time to open it all back up without masks or occupancy limits and if you are fat, diabetic, or have coronary issues, time to hit the treadmill.

For the statistical outliers that die, sucks but it was just your time.

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So it turns out we're ok with death panels after all?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the American health care system is set up to save every life, at any cost. And Americans seem to like it that way. So it shouldn't be a surprise that the reaction to a heath crisis takes the same approach.

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I am not in favor of denying treatment to those that can afford it but we should not have to change our lives to help them continue eating themselves to death.

That is not a death panel. Dial back the hyperbole.

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That's a pretty small percent who can afford ICU/Critical Care Hospitalization. Are you really in favor of denying critical care to the millions of Americans who can't afford it?

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Are you talking about the uninsured? If so, then yes. End EMTALA. Even that is not a death panel. That is providing a service to those that can afford it or those that have jumped through the governmental hoops to qualify for insurance.

I would make an exception for juveniles but if you are not on Medicaid, insurance, or can pay directly you have made a choice and should suffer the consequences.

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What if you are laid off of work through no fault of your own and lose your employer based health insurance and the only jobs you can find during a recession don't offer health insurance. Do you get axed by the death panel then too?

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Buy it on the exchange. I am self employed and pay $2K a month. If you chose not to buy it, you better head to the free clinic.

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And if you ever get to where you can't afford to buy it at $2K per month, do we just let you die too?

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AggieZUUL said:

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Fauci and Birx have some answering to do.

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RandyAg98 said:

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Don't disagree. This is just not breaking news. We have known this from the get-go. The media just has not stressed this so they can promote fear.

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