It has long been my belief that war with China is pending. Countries that own debt of other countries eventually go to war. It happens everytime.

I have thought that Trump posed the greatest threat to China and their 100 year plan. Yes they have a plan to over take America and not only conquer but occupy America. That plan is called the 100 year plan. It is real and they have been working towards it for the last 30 years. Trumps election has seemed to accelerate their plan as Trump has been undoing their last 30 years of infiltration and damage to America.

China wants to conquer, kill, and enslave America. Why? Food. China can not feed its own populace and America is the bread basket of the world. This is real.

Trump imposed tarrifs on steel to bring back steel production to the US. You cannot fight a war with inferrior or compromised steel, like the stuff we were getting from China.

Trump always wants to withdraw US troops from other regions, like the ME.

Trump wants the 1.5 Trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Why? Because with in it is provisions to harden the power grid from attack specifically from China.

We have recently moved an extra AC to the southeast Asia sea.

Trump went on a world tour to specifically S. Korea and Japan and India to strengthen alliances.

China has been sponsoring BLM and ANTIFA to weaken America from within.

China disabled two ships and crashed into them at the start of Trump's term.

China has bought US ports.


If you can pay attention and have half a brain you can clearly see this developing.

Oh, its very clearly a risk, hopefully not inevitable. China's aims are probably economic domination rather than physical occupation, and that leads more to Cold War scenarios.

But we certainly can't win a conflict with them without reform of our Media and the Democratic Party.

For one thing, those two are the ones that prevent us from seeking better ties with Russia against China, rather than driving Russia toward China. But far worse, would be the way both of them would undermine the conflict by over-stressing the losses rather than the gains.

We really need to avoid thinking in terms of war with China because we simply do not have the interior fiber anymore to absorb the losses it would take to do so. Again, not without reform, or even FDR style suppression, of those two components (FDR basically told the press what they could and could not emphasize)

That being said, what might be possible is to successfully defend Taiwan, presumably the real catalyst of any war? Us combined with the Japanese fleet, and with money placed in the right weapons systems, could make the Formosa Straits impassable for an invasion force, and also hold command of the sky (and thanks to Space Force, perhaps even orbit at last as well).

With all the nuclear arms, this war sure won't last long.

nuclear weapons would never allow that to happen.

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With all the nuclear arms, this war sure won't last long.

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Based on the Ops' theory nuclear would be out from as China needs the non-radiated farmland.

China doesn't have to resort to nuclear arms. We are more likely to have to do that. They can simply bring us down by absorbing massive losses and inflicting great cyber damage and even psy-ops (currently in progress anyway). If we are talking hot war, it would be Eastern front in character and brutality, and even then, we probably could not have fought the kind of war on the Eastern Front that the Soviet Union and Germany did --- especially now with today's crop and press it is out of the question.

China owes US $1.7 T

It will be physical. They literally want to move into America and occupy it. They are practicing the art of war. You are exactly right that the media and democrats in this country have eaten out of China's hand like a pigeon and have weaken us to the point Im not sure we can win.

Imagine what would happen if China stop sending goods to the US for a month? Americans would kill each other by the millions in the parking lots of HEB and Walmarts for a scrap of moldy bread.

What happens when their sleeper cells knock out the power stations, of which almost every crucial part is manufactured in China?

Anyone remember when the power station in California was attacked several years ago?

Or how the China Sub launched a missile viewable from the beaches of California undetected?

NO ONE REMEMBERS!! It is insanity. Yet the democrats and media have taken millions of dollars of bribes to foment civil unrest so we look internally instead of outside at the real dangers.

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Trump wants the 1.5 Trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Why? Because with in it is provisions to harden the power grid from attack specifically from China.

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This needs to happen yesterday, if not sooner.

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nuclear weapons would never allow that to happen.

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Nope. Not when you signal weakness. They are more likely to seek to take Taiwan, counting on precisely our unwillingness to escalate to nuclear to stop it.

That is why we need to think in terms of being able to defend the Formosa Straits and Taiwan shores by conventional means. (IF we are going to try to defend the area at all --- retirement is of course an option.)

But what if they lunge southward --- toward Indonesia, or Philippines. Or even Singapore. Similar issues arise.

If war with China happens, everyone should immediately enlist. You're not going to survive it anyway so you might as well get a free trip to China.

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Oh, its very clearly a risk, hopefully not inevitable. China's aims are probably economic domination rather than physical occupation, and that leads more to Cold War scenarios.

But we certainly can't win a conflict with them without reform of our Media and the Democratic Party.

For one thing, those two are the ones that prevent us from seeking better ties with Russia against China, rather than driving Russia toward China. But far worse, would be the way both of them would undermine the conflict by over-stressing the losses rather than the gains.

We really need to avoid thinking in terms of war with China because we simply do not have the interior fiber anymore to absorb the losses it would take to do so. Again, not without reform, or even FDR style suppression, of those two components (FDR basically told the press what they could and could not emphasize)

That being said, what might be possible is to successfully defend Taiwan, presumably the real catalyst of any war? Us combined with the Japanese fleet, and with money placed in the right weapons systems, could make the Formosa Straits impassable for an invasion force, and also hold command of the sky (and thanks to Space Force, perhaps even orbit at last as well).



Bolded part very true and probably applies to any outside enemy. When the US media and opposition party actively work to undermine the US President in foreign policy matters, particularly with an enemy state like China (or worse are in effect owned or beholden to that enemy state) there won't be a victory.

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Yep but guess who is holding it up? Democrats. Why? Because people like Diane China Spy Fienstien wont let it get it past.

Cold War? Yes and we are already fighting it.

In the era of total war China is unbeatable fighting a conventional war, so I'm sure our leaders are "fighting" using the same tactics we used against the USSR.

The USSR was brought down internally due to economic strife and it took 50 years. China will be a different animal since they aren't going to have economic troubles for the foreseeable future.

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If war with China happens, everyone should immediately enlist. You're not going to survive it anyway so you might as well get a free trip to China.

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Yeah...that's a no from me dawg

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With all the nuclear arms, this war sure won't last long.

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You are thinking very small. When we import almost all of our necessary goods from China we are in a stalemate. Meanwhile they slowly erode any resemblance of America until they can just walk right in and BLM and ANTIFA will welcome them with open arms.

Also how do you nuke an army that is already inside your own country?

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Bolded part very true and probably applies to any outside enemy. When the US media and opposition party actively work to undermine the US President in foreign policy matters, particularly with an enemy state like China (or worse are in effect owned or beholden to that enemy state) there won't be a victory.

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Correct. We saw just that in the WoT -- or as prefer to call it -- the 9/11 War -- and actually still do, if you look at Biden's comments and Omar's and others.

listening to some of my military buddies, they've always indicated that our Naval capabilities would absolutely dominate the Chinese.

If that is the case, how would a country plan a mass invasion to an island or across an entire ocean, when they cannot control the seas?

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chickencoupe16 said:

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If war with China happens, everyone should immediately enlist. You're not going to survive it anyway so you might as well get a free trip to China.

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Yeah...that's a no from me dawg

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Free trip to China to fight commies like grandad or sit at home waiting for the flash?

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Trump wants the 1.5 Trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Why? Because with in it is provisions to harden the power grid from attack specifically from China.

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This needs to happen yesterday, if not sooner.

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It should just be ordered one, charged off if necessary as a "black ops" project. Don't ask permission, just do it, as we did many times in the 20th C. The more you read about our ramp up for WW II the more impressed one becomes at the necessary flouting of many obstacles to be more prepared. Very ingenious measures were taken.

Ok so what does a war with Chyna look like?

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listening to some of my military buddies, they've always indicated that our Naval capabilities would absolutely dominate the Chinese.

If that is the case, how would a country plan a mass invasion to an island or across an entire ocean, when they cannot control the seas?

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Your first point is 100% correct. Which is why Trump moved ANOTHER aircraft carrier over there.

But what everyone is missing is wars are not fought like they were in 1940s. China via bribes of US politicians and US academia have imported and foster an army already inside the US.

Did anyone see the report of fully automatic weapons delivered in the port of Seattle?
Does anyone remember China launching a MISSILE off the beaches of California undetected by US navy?

https://www.fox26houston.com/video/832483

taken from a post from last night, but i'm feeling too lazy to find the texags post.


Why are we evicting the Chinese consulate from Houston?

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Cold War? Yes and we are already fighting it.

In the era of total war China is unbeatable fighting a conventional war, so I'm sure our leaders are "fighting" using the same tactics we used against the USSR.

The USSR was brought down internally due to economic strife and it took 50 years. China will be a different animal since they aren't going to have economic troubles for the foreseeable future.

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Explain to me how China is unbeatable in a conventional war?

Yes, they have numbers--- but that's it.

You are seeing the start of it. small groups within the US rebelling against the US. The defunding of US institutions that protect us, ie. Police. The installing of community groups to do the policing, ie sharia law. The dehumanizing of all Americans, wearing masks. The squeeze of control on vital needs, one family member allowed into grocery store. This is coming, signs have already been made to be posted. The continuing of small groups rebelling. The release of violent criminals into our communities. The arrest and prosecution of people protecting their homes, this is happening. The closure and destruction of US economy, this is happening.

I'm guessing there are some rural Chinese people that would rise up if there was an interruption in their food supply as well. I think we need to be very smart in separating the Chinese Party with the Chinese people.

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With all the nuclear arms, this war sure won't last long.

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You are thinking very small. When we import almost all of our necessary goods from China we are in a stalemate. Meanwhile they slowly erode any resemblance of America until they can just walk right in and BLM and ANTIFA will welcome them with open arms.

Also how do you nuke an army that is already inside your own country?

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Well, I'd start with Beijing along with as many of their nuclear Facilities as I could.

Because it is starting. its the first thing that happens in a kinetic war.

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listening to some of my military buddies, they've always indicated that our Naval capabilities would absolutely dominate the Chinese.

If that is the case, how would a country plan a mass invasion to an island or across an entire ocean, when they cannot control the seas?

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Because that sounds like some of the talk before Pearl, and second, there are strong rumors that the Chinese have developed weapons that might have an `equalizer' effect. I have my doubts, but there is no doubt that a major reverse of a couple of our carrier groups would completely upend all plans. You must always beware of the adage and trap of being well prepared to fight the last previous war, rather than the next one.

China's total control of the press and massive army gives them a huge force multiplier. They could absorb Okinawa-like losses and beyond to simply bludgeon their way into Taiwan. Now if you are talking about America - hence "entire ocean" remark --- I am not one of those thinking they plan that --- but Yukon is correct that doing so would be the key to neutering the nuclear option and that does provoke some mulling.

I agree. Which no doubt many subs are in the region locked and loaded at this very moment.

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https://www.fox26houston.com/video/832483

taken from a post from last night, but i'm feeling too lazy to find the texags post.


Why are we evicting the Chinese consulate from Houston?

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Either it was the epicenter for the cyber attacks and hacking or the first shot and more Chinese consulates and embassies will be ordered to close in the coming months.

We'll see.

We will be a proxy state of China someday soon and you can thank the democrats for that.

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I agree. Which no doubt many subs are in the region locked and loaded at this very moment.

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Be first, be overwhelming

They get killed.

Yep, which is why moving another aircraft carrier to the region is screaming out to me this is real. May not happen but Trump is preparing for it and acting like it is 100% ready to go.