Prune Tracy said:

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WTF is in that water?

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The only thing in the dam's favor is many Western engineering firms were involved in the design and construction.

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Western engineer's whose opinions about flawed hydrology and the storm level event the dam could actually withstand being brushed aside and ignored.

Initial party design team stated it could withstand the 5,000 year flood. Actual design practice and review puts it 200 year flood.

aggiehawg said:

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So I can't buy cheap Chinese made crap for awhile.

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Just going to make an already bad situation worse. I've recently encountered system wide shortages of items supplied by China, especially anything made of metal (weightlifting equipment, cage wire, just about anything at Harbor Freight, etc.)

Empty shelves at HF are not something I ever expected to see. But if it had to happen, then it couldn't have happened to a better bunch of commies.

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I understand that. But if such a catastrophe did occur, more manufacturing would move out of China and never go back. China would be crippled financially for a long time to come.

This country went through rationing for most of WWII and then had a lag in switching over from war time to consumer goods manufacturing. It's not the end of the world as we know it, is my point and could very well have an upside long term.

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Oh I wasn't arguing your point at all. I was just trying to make the point along with you and other posters that we're already experiencing shortages, but we're about to have some shortages that will cause some serious short term pain. Probably be good for the rest of the world if disaster strikes China, as you said.

that looks like.... a **** ton of rain.

this has to be a bad photoshop.. right?

israel news? who knows.

cbr said:

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that looks like.... a **** ton of rain.

this has to be a bad photoshop.. right?

israel news? who knows.

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That's a lot of water but looks like the mountain city was designed to drain that way, right?

TxLawDawg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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I want China to take it in the shorts because of corona as much as anyone.

That said, here's what happens if the dam goes:

* 400 million Chinese dead, a quarter of China's population.

* the heart of Chinese electronics manufacturing gets submerged. Say goodbye to new consumer electronics here in the USA for some time

* Wuhan bioweapon lab flooded. Whatever else they have in there gets out, good luck rescue workers

* One nuclear power plant gets flooded ***ushima style.

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Is this blatant hyperbole, or are you seriously suggesting 1/4 of the Chinese population will die if this dam fails?

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Insert famous Shakespeare quote here. A start?

Custer comes to mind. CCP would have its hands full. One guy stopped a tank back when.

oldord said:

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Is that oil spots?

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It looks like because in the inlet ports of the dam are underwater, the oil is collecting up top like grease on the top of a stew.

Yum.

one MEEN Ag said:

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oldord said:

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Is that oil spots?

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It looks like because in the inlet ports of the dam are underwater, the oil is collecting up top like grease on the top of a stew.

Yum.

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Had a friend back in the day (friend of my boyfriend at the time) who was a civil engineer specializing in sewers and waste management. When he talked about the "floatables" versus the "sinkers" and how some turds float and others settle on the bottom... apply that to Yangtze in China?

Crap on top? Crap on the bottom? Both?

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That's just bad photo stitching. China randomizes their GPS data positions to prevent people from knowing the true location of anything. That image is google trying to fit the real world satellite data into where China is lying about where things actually are. No I'm not making any of this up.

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This.

Chongquing is upstream of the dam. We started our Yangtze River cruise there. Multiple millions live there. It's very steep going down to the river. Who knows if that video is real, but I zoomed in on the light posts and they match those in the fotos I took there. Main reason I wanted to capture the photos was to show how they build massive high rises five or so at a time. Two or three years later, they change to a slightly different Soviet style and quickly pop up another cluster

Raining everywheres in China.

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Raining everywheres in China.

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or, better yet, don't confuse the yellow and yangtze rivers.....

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Dam authorities had already discharged water on June 29 in anticipation of the flood. They maintained that flooding which came after that in downstream cities was not caused by the discharge but was rather due to poor drainage systems.

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So they knew downstream had "poor drainage systems" before the release? How dumb are the Chinese people if they buy that load of BS?

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Its actually pretty likely. They use those ****ty black plastic drainage pipes for street drains.
People also dump gutter oil down it all the time.

Don't think that their standards are like the US....
Edit: a lot of chinese are superstitious that this year was going to be a disaster year, so this years events haven't really helped the CCP.

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Dam authorities had already discharged water on June 29 in anticipation of the flood. They maintained that flooding which came after that in downstream cities was not caused by the discharge but was rather due to poor drainage systems.

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So they knew downstream had "poor drainage systems" before the release? How dumb are the Chinese people if they buy that load of BS?

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This is far West China, Yichang area. Hubei Province. Very rural, superstitious, uneducated, strong support for CCP. In many ways these folks are similar to plantation democrats. They have no reason not to believe what the man is telling them.

Don't get me started on Wuhan....

That part of China does not support Xi. At all.
Neither does Wuhan.

They've been building other dams on the Yangtze to provide additional storage, power, and flood control, but it will take decades to complete. Those dams should have been built first, and the Three Gorges Dam last.

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That part of China does not support Xi. At all.
Neither does Wuhan.

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My numerous business associates in that region support the party. But they have no other choice. Opposition is not an option. Blind support, feigned support, its all support. Maybe you are thinking about Hong Kong.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Trump must have pulled W's Katrina weather machine out of storage. Thats the most likely explanation for all this.

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Seeding the clouds w water ions !

Stumpknocker said:

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My numerous business associates in that region support the party. But they have no other choice. Opposition is not an option. Blind support, feigned support, its all support.

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Sounds familiar.

fullback44 said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Trump must have pulled W's Katrina weather machine out of storage. Thats the most likely explanation for all this.

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Seeding the clouds w water ions !

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HAARP!

Goddammit! Art Bell was right after all!

Prayers for Friendswood. Hope its not too late.

What's the status of upstream dams?

A waterfall effect will take down the whole system if only one fails upstream. Do we think everything was built so we'll? The chart on page 2 makes me think any one failing would send a tidal wave downstream. With that level of elevation and holdback, nothing would survive. And I have zero faith in the engineering and even less faith in Chinese construction shortcuts and corruption.

Can you imagine Art Bell with today's topics? Would have been gold!

Huge shortage of pharmaceuticals if the dam fails. Wuhan/hubei supply the majority of the worlds drugs. The dam failing might just be what causes drug makers to shift production back home.

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erudite said:

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That part of China does not support Xi. At all.
Neither does Wuhan.

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My numerous business associates in that region support the party. But they have no other choice. Opposition is not an option. Blind support, feigned support, its all support. Maybe you are thinking about Hong Kong.

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The CCP is not monolithic. Were you better versed in reading the text of the news releases (boring as they may), you would notice Xi's increasing unpopular position within the CCP. There are voices challenging him already. None strong enough to take him down (yet), but powerful enough he cannot get rid of them.

So, they can contain water about as good as they contain a virus. Interesting.

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Erudite, really appreciate your posts. Please keep them coming. They are very informative about China.

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To be honest. I am waiting to see the results of these events. The undertone of this event in China has a lot of extremely uncomfortable implications for Xi, especially if the damn does break if you know your history/culture. Look for news regarding the 13th People's Congress (national) next year...

Be close in watching the changes of leaders of the Central Military Committee and Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party of China. Especially if a PSC member leaves and those below him end up getting arrested.

Edit: Wrong word, grammar.