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Aquin said:

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Teddy Roosevelt wrote over thirty books on American History.....many more than any prof in our department.

TR said " True teachers of history must tell the facts of history. To learn anything from the past it is necessary to know, as near as may be, the exact truth. It is an absolute disqualification for a historian when it is once settled beyond doubt that he deliberately perverts the truth."

By TR's standard these so called historians should be removed from the department.

I have a history degree from this department. I was always amazed at the left leaning bias of the department. I have read the books cited. All the authors are leftist; yet, we are supposed to accept their texts as the true and accurate view of history.

Actually this letter is very sad. They are sheep grouping up together with their peers to try and reinforce their personal acceptance within the department. Just a large collection of very, very insecure people.

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Like I said earlier it is a noticeable cycle of liberal bias in the Humanities and Social Sciences. Continual form of indoctrination.

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One of the things that I picked up on as I thought about what you referenced, mind you this was years after I graduated with a degree from this department, was there there were quite a few late 40's early 50 profs, mainly men but a few women, that were pretty darn normal and reasonable folks. Very interesting. The thing about them was that most of these folks had other careers or sidelines. Like one worked for Brazos County in some capacity with planning or something. Another kept a ranch and one of the women profs, I wish I could remember her name, had her own business doing something.

The younger members of the department, some of who are on that list, just seemed very absorbed in academics and were much more hard core about things in terms of what they taught. They would now be in their 60's or at least late 50's, but more likely 60's and early 70's.

I remember the older profs always beetching about the money they were paid. I would be that over the years the pay scales for the Humanities, and don't get me wrong I am big proponent of the Humanities as in my case it has served me well, have risen to where it is basically a destination job. And a very easy one once you get that doctorate, I don't care what anyone says, being a History or an English prof is pretty darn easy. In my old age I wish I would have pursued it.

Thus with more money, plenty of leisure time, these profs get slacker disease, and it shows.

Who died and made historians God? History department sliming over the mantel of authority judging Sully with that pious statement. We have allowed the swine dictate the meal when department historians are asserting themselves as arbitrators of the 'racist' litmus test. History department only has a moment to enjoy this lofty positioning, cause it will be toppled at the same moment the statues of historians are deemed racist.

They will start with statue of the 'greatest historian Texas has produced': Walter Prescott Webb. A historian peddling 'racist rhetoric'.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/fallen-heroes/

I still have not seen any rebuttal to Mr. Adams' count of Sully.

Mr. Adams bio...

https://corps.tamu.edu/john-a-adams-jr-73/

Mr. Adams' article...

https://www.theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/sul-ross-promoted-education-and-rights-for-african-americans/article_9abf6050-ac75-11ea-a108-e31b2ef460fa.html

BTHO tu forever!!!

APHIS AG said:

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We study history. We teach history. But we do not worship it. And we do not know how we will be judged by it in the future. But we do know that students, colleagues, and community members feel hurt, frustrated, humiliated, and silenced by the continued pride of place accorded the Ross statue and legacy by the Texas A&M University system.

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And right there hypocrisy rears its ugly head. Teach it. Observe it. Do not judge it.

These history professors are getting just as bad as "journalist" who instead of reporting the news, their opinions is the news.

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They sound exactly like what they are, judgemental ideologues with an agenda.

Definitely not thoughful unbiased instructors and teachers of history with a willingness to allow for independant thought and determinations based upon fact not conjecture from hand picked comments of unrelated individuals of the day and damning biased statements based upon present day norms. They're definitely a gaggle of Professors representing present day Academia though - mindless brainwashed Indoctrinators, with no desire or aptitude for actual teaching. Worthless, narcissistic, community organizers currently with a license to brainwash our youth.

F them !

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Not surprised this happened. I remember trying to get my 2nd history class done and registering for post Reconstruction to present. I get to this giant room in Harrington, the history prof walks to the front and says this is Civil Rights History because she wanted to teach that class and not enough people signed up. They told her to teach this one and she decided that everyone was just going to learn about the civil rights movement. Still the 2nd worst prof I ever dealt with.

Remember, all confederates are traitors and racists.

The absolutism does not lead to fruitful debate

Rapier108 said:

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Anything Terry H. Anderson is involved with means as far left wing as it can be.

The History Department used to have a lot of good professors, but they've all retired or died.

I only recognize two on that list, Anderson and Broussard.

At least Broussard always came across as a nice guy; one you could have a discussion with even if you didn't agree. Anderson always came across as a jackass.

One history professor I had always said that the administration's goal for A&M was to turn it into "Berkeley on the Brazos" and that the facility was already as liberal as Berkeley's (this was in 2000).

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Terry Anderson definitely affected my worldview when I was at A&M in the early 90s. His book "Movement and the 60s" completely shocked me at the time, because it was only then that I learned what black people in the US had been going through, and the lengths that they had to go through to achieve some modicum of equal rights. He recommended I read another book called "Black Like Me" which also totally shocked me (but which wouldn't be very PC today). However, I think if you were to re-read these books and others like it today, you would find that today's protests and atmosphere are really child's play compared to that era, and that the US really has made tremendous progress in the past 50+ years on civil rights. I mean, today the big controversy is some statues. It's not Jim Crow. Not by a long shot. That doesn't mean that we can't still make some progress.

I also think it's useful to look at how other major countries treat their minority groups. In comparison, I don't think the US comes out that badly at all. We don't have a million people in concentration camps like China does, for example. We haven't had a genocide lately, unlike the Balkans or Rwanda. Again, this is no excuse not to continue to make progress. But I mean, if we're toppling obscure statues now, it kinda implies that we've picked all the low hanging fruit already.

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I love the assignment of guilt by association: some Texas Rangers may have committed violence against Mexican citizens. Sully was a Ranger, so Sully was evil.

Worst historians ever, lacking critical thinking.

People like to remember the Texas Articles of Secession as being about slavery, but they forget that the document also referenced the failure of the federal government to secure the border with Mexico against bandits and even incursions by the Mexican army into Texas. Murders violence, theft. The Rangers were often sent to secure the border, and I am sure they were not light handed against those intending violence.

Ironically, the federal government is still not securing the border over a 150 year later...

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Yes, the first bullet point says it all:

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1. The narrative that is being circulated does not sufficiently explain Ross's role in the displacement, dispossession, and denigration of Indigenous people in Texas. Instead, it relies on: a partial account of his time as a Texas Ranger without the full history of the Ranger force as one that terrorized Indigenous peoples as well as Mexican and African Americans, facile characterizations of Native groups as "friendly" or "hostile," and little consideration of his role in the massacre at Pease Creek and the expulsion of most Native American Texans from their ancestral homelands to Indian Territory.

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That's like a CEO being brought in to clean up a company, takes a year to do it, and then acting like the first year was still a failure on his resume.

All this talk about EMPATHY, and not a second is taken by SJWs to understand that his position at the time was about as against the grain as it could be. I have zero respect for yet another entire department at TAMU. As historians, they thrown context out the window. Doing so effectively rewrites history and provides a casual observer with little understanding of how far we have come.

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They criticize Sharp's pro-Sully letter, but then commit the same violations in their own letter. And the worst they can come up with against Sully is that he lived in Texas in the 1800s. They confirm that he didn't own slaves, wasn't in the KKK, but lived during a time of war and segregation. Nothing in that letter makes me think the statue should come down.

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Exactly what I was going to post. Sully is guilty of being a white man who lived in the second half of the 1800's.

Disgusting. Every one of them.

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They criticize Sharp's pro-Sully letter, but then commit the same violations in their own letter. And the worst they can come up with against Sully is that he lived in Texas in the 1800s. They confirm that he didn't own slaves, wasn't in the KKK, but lived during a time of war and segregation. Nothing in that letter makes me think the statue should come down.

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It's one of the weakest and most disgusting Guilt By Association hit jobs I've ever seen. 100% motivated by feelings and current politics.

Not surprised to see one of my old socialist profs on the list.

All their emails are on the TAMU website staff directory. Inundate them.

Too bad we don't have a Chancellor or President that would admonish them.

Looking at history through a 2020 liberal lens is ignorant, which these people all seem to be as well.

Shame on them and Shane on A&M fir ever hiring their worthless asses.

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An honorable life, well-lived being judged through 2020 lens.

On my maternal grandfather's side, I can trace members who have fought from the Revolutionary War up through Afghanistan, every single war. One small age bracket fought on behalf of the Confederacy from Alabama. Many of my family were decorated soldiers, including one with whom many people here are familiar.

But by today's standard, as announced, every one is judged by one single point in time.

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William Carrigan and Bill Clive, Forgotten Dead: Mob Violence against Mexicans in the United States, 1848-1928 (New York: Oxford University Press, 2013); David LaVere, The Texas Indians (College Station: Texas A&M University Press, 2004); Monica Muoz Martnez, The Injustice Never Leaves You: Anti-Mexican Violence in Texas (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2018).

and Massacre: The Pease River Capture of Cynthia Ann Parker (Lubbock: Texas Tech University Press, 2012);

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THIS! Referencing these people is clearly a sign that the history department SHOULD ALL BE FIRED! They are clearly radical leftists WHO ARE NOW TEACHING OUR KIDS! They are also liars just like Martinez, Carrigan, and Clive. The proof is already in the historical record, but they will not present it because they have a radical leftist agenda. They are yellow journalists acting like historians with their own social agenda. If they can rewrite history, they will so it will suit their own needs in changing the country for the worst. The entire department should be defunded and they should all be fired AS WELL AS Michael Young!

No one should be falling for this B.S. given the prominent Tejano families that helped found this great state and the remarks made by the Waco, Tonkawa, and Cherokee nations after L.S. Ross helped to defeat the Comanche. Also, the great reverence that Mr. Blackshear of PVAMU and Chief Quannah Parker paid L.S. Ross during his lifetime and after he died!

May they all go straight to ****.

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THIS! Referencing these people is clearly a sign that the history department SHOULD ALL BE FIRED! They are clearly radical leftists WHO ARE NOW TEACHING OUR KIDS! They are also liars just like Martinez, Carrigan, and Clive. The proof is already in the historical record, but they will not present it because they have a radical leftist agenda. They are yellow journalists acting like historians with their own social agenda. If they can rewrite history, they will so it will suit their own needs in changing the country for the worst. The entire department should be defunded and they should all be fired AS WELL AS Michael Young!

No one should be falling for this B.S. given the prominent Tejano families that helped found this great state and the remarks made by the Waco, Tonkawa, and Cherokee nations after L.S. Ross helped to defeat the Comanche. Also, the great reverence that Mr. Blackshear of PVAMU and Chief Quannah Parker paid L.S. Ross during his lifetime and after he died!

May they all go straight to ****.

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I agree with your feeling that these history profs need to go straight to hell, they are trying to insert themselves into the substance of their craft and it is wrong. But one note, lots of Mexican by heritage, Texan by birth, citizens of Texas were wronged at the "hands of justice" and quite a bit of property and wealth was taken from them. What went on in deep south Texas was harsh and bad. It was bad and a poor chapter in the history of Texas. But those were the times. Many others, via guile, wealth, and balls, were able to hang on to their patrimonies, but many were killed or driven from their homes for theirs.

The injustices and wrongs of the past are what they are, and not much is gonna change them. But I do believe that the wrongs and injustices need to be recognized and taught.

This is similar to the narrative the release 2 years ago. They claim incomplete narratives but do not take into account Ross' personal papers. The fact these professors have no understanding of duty and honor is obvious. Broad sweeping generalizations about the Texas Rangers and life in the South are very stereotypical and do not specifically mention or discuss Ross are an attempt to once again, create a false narrative. Taking umbrage at the use of the terms "friendly" and "hostile" is ridiculous. Those terms are still used in combat today. Anyone can pick and choose specific snapshots of history to prove their personal narrative.

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I agree with your feeling that these history profs need to go straight to hell, they are trying to insert themselves into the substance of their craft and it is wrong. But one note, lots of Mexican by heritage, Texan by birth, citizens of Texas were wronged at the "hands of justice" and quite a bit of property and wealth was taken from them. What went on in deep south Texas was harsh and bad. It was bad and a poor chapter in the history of Texas. But those were the times. Many others, via guile, wealth, and balls, were able to hang on to their patrimonies, but many were killed or driven from their homes for theirs.

The injustices and wrongs of the past are what they are, and not much is gonna change them. But I do believe that the wrongs and injustices need to be recognized and taught.

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RGV AG,

I understand your point and agree that it should be taught. I also agree that the histories of the De Zavalla, Seguin, DeLeon, and Yturria families (and Eva Longoria's family) should also be taught. One of the greatest politicians in Texas History was the great Henry B. Gonzales from San Antonio. Yet, these leftist professors are preaching a philosophy of victimhood instead of teaching history as a whole. History is messy, but it needs to be taught in its entirety.

I would also note that the same history professors and BLM protestors that are so eager to attack the legacy and memory of L.S. Ross as racist, never mention the Buffalo Soldiers. The African-American men that were Buffalo Soldiers made war on and killed the native American people in West and North Texas. Yet, somehow the are never mentioned. Were they racists? My point is they are selectively choosing examples from history to further their own agenda.

Once again, thank you for your point and reply.