TAMU History Depts statement on Lawerence Sullivan Ross

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Rapier108 said:

Anything Terry H. Anderson is involved with means as far left wing as it can be.

The History Department used to have a lot of good professors, but they've all retired or died.

I only recognize two on that list, Anderson and Broussard.

At least Broussard always came across as a nice guy; one you could have a discussion with even if you didn't agree. Anderson always came across as a jackass.

One history professor I had always said that the administration's goal for A&M was to turn it into "Berkeley on the Brazos" and that the facility was already as liberal as Berkeley's (this was in 2000).
Totally agree with you on Anderson, he is/was a jerk and very full of himself. Broussard, is very pointed in his position on race relations, that was the class I took from him while in school, but he is a well educated, fair, and competent professor, nothing that he taught was out of line nor anything but the truth. He is very well educated.

Bouton was always doing as little as possible to get a paycheck and it showed. Resch was extremely forgettable, but I remember not enjoying the class I had with him. Doc Stranges was not bad, but I guess he has gone way left in his old age.

As you mention, lots of really good profs are gone from the department, and it was not a bad one when I went through and got the degree there.


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Now let's do (insert progressive or Marxist historical figure Here) and judge them out of the context of their time.
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FriscoKid said:

The engineering classes I took were useful and necessary for me to actually do something with my life. The other mandatory crap was largely useless and politically driven. It will be the downfall of upper education.


My oldest is in the ID program in the school of engineering (yes I know he's not going to be an engineer, lol), but his classes in the engineering school and Mays are solid, the rest are an embarrassment as they always have been.
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I will never understand why a statue, of a man who did much good for our state, and University's future well over a century ago, and in a time far different from today, is somehow causing anyone actual issues of any kind in this time.
First, how about pay it no attention. It's a statue for crying out loud. it, in and of itself is not racist.
Second, anywhere you go, you may find individuals who display some sort of hatred toward others for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean it's widespread and certainly not systemic.
3. People of all backgrounds, colors, religious beliefs, etc have attended universities like TAMU with great success and support. Mond, as an example, would probably be hard pressed to argue that he has been treated anyway but fairly in his time here. I will never understand how this representation of the past is interfering with his future. In fact, while some may argue the good doesn't put weight the alleged bad, Mond would be somewhere else, most likely right now, where it not for Ross fighting for TAMU. But does he even think about his gain from the good Ross did?
4, How about considering where this country is now compared to where it was back then and before? Why make yourself some sort of victim today? It makes no sense.
5, Some want these inanimate objects removed that do nothing to interfere with their opportunities today, but do they want active forms of racism removed, including things like affirmative action that actual do benefit/oppress people based on skin color?
I believe the actions we see today would completely enrage and embarrass Dr. Martin Luther King, and others who were on the right side of civil rights so long ago.

I encourage Mond and anyone/everyone to follow Jesus, honor God (who hates racism, btw), by loving God with all your heart, soul, and might, and love your neighbor (any other person) as yourself. If our society did this and focused on things above and not ourselves, our history and the statues we have reminding us of it, good or bad, will be of no consequence, and true freedom would exist.
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Catag94 said:

I will never understand why a statue, of a man who did much good for our state, and University's future well over a century ago, and in a time far different from today, is somehow causing anyone actual issues of any kind in this time.
First, how about pay it no attention. It's a statue for crying out loud. it, in and of itself is not racist.
Second, anywhere you go, you may find individuals who display some sort of hatred toward others for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean it's widespread and certainly not systemic.
3. People of all backgrounds, colors, religious beliefs, etc have attended universities like TAMU with great success and support. Mond, as an example, would probably be hard pressed to argue that he has been treated anyway but fairly in his time here. I will never understand how this representation of the past is interfering with his future. In fact, while some may argue the good doesn't put weight the alleged bad, Mond would be somewhere else, most likely right now, where it not for Ross fighting for TAMU. But does he even think about his gain from the good Ross did?
4, How about considering where this country is now compared to where it was back then and before? Why make yourself some sort of victim today? It makes no sense.
5, Some want these inanimate objects removed that do nothing to interfere with their opportunities today, but do they want active forms of racism removed, including things like affirmative action that actual do benefit/oppress people based on skin color?
I believe the actions we see today would completely enrage and embarrass Dr. Martin Luther King, and others who were on the right side of civil rights so long ago.

I encourage Mond and anyone/everyone to follow Jesus, honor God (who hates racism, btw), by loving God with all your heart, soul, and might, and love your neighbor (any other person) as yourself. If our society did this and focused on things above and not ourselves, our history and the statues we have reminding us of it, good or bad, will be of no consequence, and true freedom would exist.
I can answer that for you in one word.

Power

That is all this is. You can shout slogans and march around but it all boils down to what it makes you feel. The people that do this feel powerful and it is intoxicating to be able to dictate your will against others. Look at history. I mean, ****, those who do it tend to be the ones that MAKE history in the first place.
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stetson said:

1. No doubt citing books and papers written by leftist

I give the Texas A&M department of history an F.


This is pretty much a continuous cycle. The vast majority of these dissertations written are rarely cited, but still published with university tax dollars and exist in libraries to sit idle until a time is needed to weaponize them.
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I will reread the list again to make sure, but I don't believe any of the department faculty that signed the letter are listed in the bibliographical citations.

If I'm correct, it seems kind of embarrassing to cite numerous works, of which, the faculty signers are not among them. Are any of these signers experts in Texas history and Civil War/Reconstruction era?

And yes, as already mentioned, Dale Baum is retired. I had him as a professor myself. He is still listed on the department website as a Professor Emeritas. I still have my notes from his class. I will go back and look at them. I dont remember him ever teaching Ross history in a way that led any of us to question his statues presence on campus. This was circa 1997 or so. His book was published right after I took his class and the class was Civil War and Reconstruction. It would surprise me to learn that our class material was drastically different than his book.
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This is where I stopped...

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The narrative that is being circulated does not sufficiently explain Ross's role in the displacement, dispossession, and denigration of Indigenous peoples
You can even get a substantive sentence in without (1) ripping the man and (2) tossing out a PC buzzword.

No need to read further.

My Aggie Texas History prof would be sorely disappointed in that sorry bunch.
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By the standards they espouse, we might well tear down every statue in the world.

What a joke.
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https://www.theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/sul-ross-promoted-education-and-rights-for-african-americans/article_9abf6050-ac75-11ea-a108-e31b2ef460fa.html

I respectfully submit to the professors that they would not be teaching at the great university of Texas A&M without the dedication and loyalty of Sully. It is Aggies like him that continue to provide wonderful opportunities to millions of people around the world! Maybe, just maybe one could show a little humility and gratitude.
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BigRobSA said:

Tell them ****sticks what....

I'll meet ALL of them at the base of the statue. If they can ALL kick my ass, the statue is theirs to do with how they please.

I have $10k on me coming out with very little bruising, at worst.


I've got your back!
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Rachel 98 said:

BigRobSA said:

Tell them ****sticks what....

I'll meet ALL of them at the base of the statue. If they can ALL kick my ass, the statue is theirs to do with how they please.

I have $10k on me coming out with very little bruising, at worst.


I've got your back!
Thanks!

At 6'6.5" and probably 340ish now (broken foot that was surgically repaired, then the COVID overreactions + my natural predilection to loving food = I gained weight back that I had lost. But, I literally get paid to workout so there's a lot of muscle on this fatty. ) I can hold my own, but watching out for sucker-shankings is much appreciated.
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"We study history. We teach history. But we do not worship it. And we do not know how we will be judged by it in the future. But we do know that students, colleagues, and community members feel hurt, frustrated, humiliated, and silenced"

I think you do know how you will be judged, the inexcusable part is that you don't care. Let's think about your own "call to duty". While a vast majority of the POC community does not have access to adequate education, you chose to only dedicate your talent to one of the most lasting bulwarks of institutional racism, Top Tier American Universities. You know there are desperate people who do not have access to top tier educational institutions, who will never catch up. Yet you cannot see their tears, because you hide behind these privileged tiers. You will not lift all people up. Just the ones that can gain entrance because of the Racist institutional privilege afforded to the families that raised them. That is who you choose to educate. The privileged and, of course, the token few. It would be unfair of me not to give you credit for them.

You want us to believe you don't support racism? Renounce your tenure and resign your position. Do not go to war or answer the "call to duty" of this very obvious institution of white privilege and racism. Offer your skill and talent at institutions that are not so privileged, there are many out that need you. Any other tier, but tier 1. Another way to make good faith effort is to offer your coursework or books for free online. But you won't, your words are hollow and your actions are not brave.

You support bigotry, you support racism, you are part of it all. You are answering the "call to duty" for the wrong side. You will never be able to fully absolve yourself of the shame that comes with having been a willing and active participant in institutional racism, but longer you don't renounce your tenure and offer your talents more equitably to the people, the more terribly history will judge you.

"We study history, we teach history" you say. Only for the privileged and the token view. You are the very water from the "whites only" fountain.

Your names will forever be associated with it:
Armando C. Alonzo
Terry H. Anderson
Troy O. Bickham
Carlos Kevin Blanton Cynthia A. Bouton Albert S. Broussard Jonathan Brunstedt Jonathan C. Coopersmith Olga Dror
April Lee Hatfield
Sonia Hernndez
Felipe Hinojosa
Angela Pulley Hudson Violet M. Showers Johnson Walter D. Kamphoefner Kim, Hoi-eun
Brian McAllister Linn Lawrence "Trent" MacNamara Sarah McNamara
Robert P. Resch
Stephen Badalyan Riegg
Brian Rouleau
Rebecca Hartkopf Schloss Daniel L. Schwartz
Anthony N. Stranges
David Vaught
Katherine Unterman
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Grimey said:

Non-Visiting History faculty who did not sign this:

Charles Brooks
Elizabeth Cobbs
Side emre
Loorlen Foote
Evan Hayfell
David Hudson
Andrew Kirkendall
John Linehan
Jason Parker
Roger Reese
James Rosenheim
Adam Seipp
Phillip Smith
Julia Wood
George Wright

Intrestingly, two untenured professors chose to sign, an one chose not to (or abstained).


Not going to highlight him/her, but there is a prof listed here who should not be painted with the broad History Dept. brush. He/she is an Aggie and knows what makes this university great. And I'm proud they didn't sign this rag of a petition.
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Typical case of postmodernists raised in security and physical comfort while the Rangers did the real world work of making the mortal enemies of Texas terrified of them as a means to survival. God bless the Texas Rangers.
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I also am not going to single anyone out, but one of those professors who did NOT sign taught my buddy and me History 106 in the fall of 1968. We enjoyed the prof's teaching.
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This pathetic diatribe is a farce. 90% of it describes actions around the man, the times he lived in, but never really addresses the man himself. Moreover, not a single mention of an act of decency. Were there none? Zero? Not a single act of decency, valor or humanity to mention? Not only for Ross but not one person in the entirety of this period of Texas history apparently had any redeemable qualities.
This, my friends, is why we are where we are now. We have the "scholarly historians" provide a list of books that highlight all the "evils" of the past because all the books describing heroism, self sacrifice and humanity are just too pass. These frauds aren't about balance and truth. They're on a crusade to sanctimoniously show us how truly terrible we are.
Sure, there were parts of history that were inglorious...we all know that. But these holier than thou professors want to drag it out, make it the sole focus, rub it all over everyone so we can all live a life of self loathing and bitterness towards ourselves and toward others.
I've never cared for people who try to elevate themselves by denigrating others. These professors are exhibit A. Self righteous asses all of them!
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Now ask them who were the greatest Presidents. I'll bet Obama would be in their top three.
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I would prefer to have heard Dr. Dawson's view on the matter....
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Nothing else from me and the generations of Aggies in my family.

TAMU poisoned the well. Our children will not attend.
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Not another time...Association of Former Students solicitors, DON'T CALL ME
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#defundtamuhistory
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Let us be clear, the "real story of Sul Ross," as it was termed in one email, was not produced by the Department of History at Texas A&M University and does not meet the rigorous standards of our discipline (i.e., it is missing attribution, bibliographic citations, and an acknowledgement of varying interpretations, among other flaws)


History clowns complain about lack of attribution, citations and varying interpretations.

Proceed to issue statement lacking attribution, citations, or varying interpretations.
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My favorite prof, David Hudson, didn't sign, but his Native American Studies teaching wife did sign.

Consolation.
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They are not climate scientists, don't believe that cherry picked bunk that call historical data. Looks like A&M history teachers are Sully deniers.
X was born on October 28, 2022 and should be a national holiday.
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Look up each of them and look at their career achievements. These are socialists and agitators posing as professors. THESE PEOPLE are the reason why good kids on our campus are being converted to misinformed activists. Our real fight is ridding the university of this scum.
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redd38 said:

They criticize Sharp's pro-Sully letter, but then commit the same violations in their own letter. And the worst they can come up with against Sully is that he lived in Texas in the 1800s. They confirm that he didn't own slaves, wasn't in the KKK, but lived during a time of war and segregation. Nothing in that letter makes me think the statue should come down.


He was a Texas ranger. Being law enforcement is irredeemable now. Lefties hate cops.
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Desert Professor said:

Texas A&M University Department of History Faculty on the Institutional History of Lawrence Sullivan Ross
It has come to our attention that recent calls for removal of the Lawrence Sullivan Ross statue from Academic Plaza are being answered by the Chancellor's office with a document titled "Lawrence Sullivan Ross: Soldier, Statesman, Knightly Gentleman" that is outdated, incomplete, and unreliable. Elements of this partial history are likewise being uncritically repeated in various forums online and elsewhere. Let us be clear, the "real story of Sul Ross," as it was termed in one email, was not produced by the Department of History at Texas A&M University and does not meet the rigorous standards of our discipline (i.e., it is missing attribution, bibliographic citations, and an acknowledgement of varying interpretations, among other flaws).1 Our commitment to the scholarly standards of our profession, as well as to academic and personal integrity, compel us to offer the following statement by way of clarifying, contextualizing, and enriching our collective understanding of Ross as an historical figure.
As historians in the Department of History at Texas A&M University, we find the "real story of Sul Ross" to be unreliable in three important ways.
1. The narrative that is being circulated does not sufficiently explain Ross's role in the displacement, dispossession, and denigration of Indigenous people in Texas. Instead, it relies on: a partial account of his time as a Texas Ranger without the full history of the Ranger force as one that terrorized Indigenous peoples as well as Mexican and African Americans, facile characterizations of Native groups as "friendly" or "hostile," and little consideration of his role in the massacre at Pease Creek and the expulsion of most Native American Texans from their ancestral homelands to Indian Territory.2
2. The narrative makes no mention of Ross's role within and on behalf of the Confederate States of America nor does it even use the term Civil War, referring instead to a "call to duty" and concern for states' rights. What might that duty and those rights be? The leading Texas secessionist, John Marshall, spelled it out in the Austin State Gazette, April 20, 1861: "It is essential to the honor and safety of every poor white man to keep the [N]egro in his present state of subordination and discipline." While the consequences of the Civil War are still unfolding in the present, it is a matter of consensus among professional historians that preservation of an agrarian economy, culture, and society based on human bondage and white supremacy was the primary catalyst for Confederate secession, whether or not a given individual was a slave owner (as was Ross's father and from which he directly benefitted).3 In addition, Texan Confederates' proclivities for
1 We recommend consulting: the American Historical Association's "Statement on the Standards of Professional Conduct."
2 We recommend consulting: Gary Clayton Anderson, The Conquest of Texas: Ethnic Cleansing in the Promised Land, 1820-1875 (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 2005); Paul H. Carlson and Tom Crum,
William Carrigan and Bill Clive, Forgotten Dead: Mob Violence against Mexicans in the United States, 1848-1928 (New York: Oxford University Press, 2013); David LaVere, The Texas Indians (College Station: Texas A&M University Press, 2004); Monica Muoz Martnez, The Injustice Never Leaves You: Anti-Mexican Violence in Texas (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2018).
and Massacre: The Pease River Capture of Cynthia Ann Parker (Lubbock: Texas Tech University Press, 2012);
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Eighth Census of the United States 1860; National Archives Washington DC, USA; Series Number: M653; Record
Group: Records of the Bureau of the Census; RG29,
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violence extended to other ethnic groups such as Germans and Tejanos and also to white dissenters from "the cause."4
3. The narrative pointedly disavows any participation in the Ku Klux Klan but does not explain that white supremacist violence characterized the state in the years after Reconstruction far beyond the functioning of any single organization. As a Texas Ranger in his early life and as the Texas governor who oversaw the Rangers later, Ross represented and carried out anti-Mexican, anti-Black, and anti-Indigenous beliefs and policies. These were not hidden attitudes, as one lyric of an official Rangers song attests: "all the Mexkins [sic] ought to be...in a narrow grave just six by three."5 Ross's direct involvement in the so-called Jaybird-Woodpecker War in 1888-89 resulted in the disfranchisement and violent expulsion of Black Americans from Fort Bend County and ensured whites-only primaries and elections for decades to come.6 In these and other actions, Ross was not alone. Anti-Black laws, poll taxes and voter intimidation, and violent attacks against people of color were the primary way that white southerners consolidated their power in the post-Reconstruction era. It is unequivocally true that Ross agreed with, supported, and defended these policies until his death, even as he carried out what might be considered isolated acts of charity towards some communities of color.7
There are many other important historical contexts and bodies of testimony that should be considered in any legitimate accounting of Lawrence Sullivan Ross's life and legacies. Historians have a responsibility to consult myriad sources from multiple perspectives and all those voices cannot always be reconciled. Instead, we must inhabit the uncertainties and contradictions of the human condition and be ever-mindful of how choices made in the past affect our lives in the present. The "real story of Sul Ross" does none of this.
4 We recommend consulting: Dale Baum, The Shattering of Texas Unionism: Politics in the Lone Star State during the Civil War Era (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1998); Walter Buenger, Secession and the Union in Texas (Austin: University of Texas Press, 1984);
5 David Montejano, Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986 (Austin: University of Texas Press, 1987), 102.
6 Leslie Ann Lovett, "The Jaybird-Woodpecker War: Reconstruction and Redemption in Fort Bend County, Texas, 1869-1889," (M.A. Thesis, Rice University, 1994), 78-79; Pauline Yelderman, "Jaybird-Woodpecker War," Texas State Historical Association Online, https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/wfj01.
7 We recommend consulting: Randolph B. Campbell, Grass-Roots Reconstruction in Texas, 1865-1880 (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1997); Eric Foner, Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877 (New York: HarperCollins, rev. ed. 2014); John Hope Franklin, Reconstruction after the Civil War (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 3rd. ed. 2012); John William Gorman, "The Crucible of Freedom: Reconstruction Violence in Texas, 1865-1868 (Ph.D. Dissertation, Texas A&M University, 2019); Jumpin' Jim Crow: Southern Politics from Civil War to Civil Rights, ed. Jane Dailey, Glenda Gilmore, and Bryant Simon (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2000); Montejano, Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986.
Randolph B. Campbell, An Empire for Slavery: The Peculiar
Institution in Texas, 18211865 (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1989); F.R. Lubbock,
Texas: Or, Memoirs of Francis Richard Lubbock, Governor of Texas in War Time, 1861-63. A Personal Experience in
Six Decades in
Business, War, and Politics (Austin, B. C. Jones & co., printers, 1900); Sul Ross, "Life & Adventures," [n.d.], Ross
Family Papers, Baylor University Library; Andrew J. Torget, Seeds of Empire: Cotton, Slavery, and the
Transformation of the Texas Borderlands, 1800-1850 (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2015).
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The discipline of history itself is rooted in vast inequities, in privileging some forms of knowledge over others. This has changed over time, largely as the result of work by determined individuals and communities whose very voices had been marginalized or ignored. As a profession, we still have far more work to do. But we are also laboring in a moment in which ill- informed opinions and comfortable fictions are trumpeted as examples of serious academic inquiry and against this trend, we protest.
We stand in opposition to the uncritical reverence of historical figures who represent racist, colonialist, and sexist attitudes and policies of the past. We advocate for the careful and unflinching study of our shared history. But we also advocate a compassionate and nuanced approach in the present. We value the Aggie traditions of respect for all members of our communityon campus and beyond, integrity in our work and our livesas teachers, researchers, and mentors, and excellence in our approach to dealing with even the most troubling and traumatic histories our work uncovers.
We study history. We teach history. But we do not worship it. And we do not know how we will be judged by it in the future. But we do know that students, colleagues, and community members feel hurt, frustrated, humiliated, and silenced by the continued pride of place accorded the Ross statue and legacy by the Texas A&M University system.
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Armando C. Alonzo
Terry H. Anderson
Troy O. Bickham
Carlos Kevin Blanton Cynthia A. Bouton Albert S. Broussard Jonathan Brunstedt Jonathan C. Coopersmith Olga Dror
April Lee Hatfield
Sonia Hernndez
Felipe Hinojosa
Angela Pulley Hudson Violet M. Showers Johnson Walter D. Kamphoefner Kim, Hoi-eun
Brian McAllister Linn Lawrence "Trent" MacNamara Sarah McNamara
Robert P. Resch
Stephen Badalyan Riegg
Brian Rouleau
Rebecca Hartkopf Schloss Daniel L. Schwartz
Anthony N. Stranges
David Vaught
Katherine Unterman
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mazag08 said:

Look up each of them and look at their career achievements. These are socialists and agitators posing as professors. THESE PEOPLE are the reason why good kids on our campus are being converted to misinformed activists. Our real fight is ridding the university of this scum.
They get paid a good bit of money, they're impossible to fire, and they get several months off a year. Not exactly living the socialist life they demand for everyone else.
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The left will viewing destroying A&M as one of the biggest prizes of the last half century in academic history. To take this fine school and slowly hollow it out of any character and it's tremendous culture so that it looks like a school from Minnesota or a Chicago is outrageous.

We can thank Vandiver, Mobley, Bush, Gates, Young and Sharp. Hall of Shame.
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Jayhawk said:

History departments in all major universities have been dominated by Marxists since the 1970's when the last of the old guard died off. These people don't know any more about history than the average man with some curiosity. They are instead trained on Marxist narratives, e.g. instead of studying ancient egypt they will study "the role of female Pharaohs in blurring gender boundaries in the Late Kingdom" etc etc.

These people are impostors.


Geez. You're not lying. Much of the curricula vitae on the department website largely reads like a Vice article.



When did such a significant portion of academic discourse devolve into this clown show?
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Dear history profs. Screw off.

/engineering major
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MouthBQ98 said:

At some point, these history doctorates are going to remember they tend to be amongst the lower middle IQ Range of college graduates With advanced degrees and they are locking horns with people that far outmatch them intellectually. Many doctorates consisted of essentially the willingness to borrow money and something approaching obsessive compulsive disorder.


The average person who graduates with an engineering degree from A&M is definitely more intelligent than a person with a doctorate in history. 97% of the history docs couldn't pass any junior level engineering class while 90% of the juniors in engineering would make an A or B in any history class.
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Teddy Roosevelt wrote over thirty books on American History.....many more than any prof in our department.

TR said " True teachers of history must tell the facts of history. To learn anything from the past it is necessary to know, as near as may be, the exact truth. It is an absolute disqualification for a historian when it is once settled beyond doubt that he deliberately perverts the truth."

By TR's standard these so called historians should be removed from the department.

I have a history degree from this department. I was always amazed at the left leaning bias of the department. I have read the books cited. All the authors are leftist; yet, we are supposed to accept their texts as the true and accurate view of history.

Actually this letter is very sad. They are sheep grouping up together with their peers to try and reinforce their personal acceptance within the department. Just a large collection of very, very insecure people.
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Aquin said:

Teddy Roosevelt wrote over thirty books on American History.....many more than any prof in our department.

TR said " True teachers of history must tell the facts of history. To learn anything from the past it is necessary to know, as near as may be, the exact truth. It is an absolute disqualification for a historian when it is once settled beyond doubt that he deliberately perverts the truth."

By TR's standard these so called historians should be removed from the department.

I have a history degree from this department. I was always amazed at the left leaning bias of the department. I have read the books cited. All the authors are leftist; yet, we are supposed to accept their texts as the true and accurate view of history.

Actually this letter is very sad. They are sheep grouping up together with their peers to try and reinforce their personal acceptance within the department. Just a large collection of very, very insecure people.


Like I said earlier it is a noticeable cycle of liberal bias in the Humanities and Social Sciences. Continual form of indoctrination.
 
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